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gom wrote:Wiltside wrote:Rapaz wrote:I’m about to drop off this OP right on Seppuku Street.
Door-to-door service.
Sharpening my blade and preparing my abdomen for the inevitable.
4 more pages before cRonin rips me a new orifice.
IceColdCubano wrote:Jfh20 wrote:If blazers wanted herro, trade woulda went through Alrdy . We done
It’s not about wanting, it’s about need. They have no need for Herro, they have literally 3 young guards on small contracts who they are building from. Scoot and Sharpe are 19 & 20 respectively, they are not in a win now mode. So for them right now Picks from a team like Miami are far more important. Miami is also the only team that has an actual offer on the table, nobody else has come in to negotiate, so they are in a position to not have to go all in, just yet. Miami is playing this the right way if you have a chance to pick up Lillard and not lose all your future assets than yeah worth the wait, victory taste much sweeter when it comes in due time.
Jfh20 wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:Jfh20 wrote:If blazers wanted herro, trade woulda went through Alrdy . We done
It’s not about wanting, it’s about need. They have no need for Herro, they have literally 3 young guards on small contracts who they are building from. Scoot and Sharpe are 19 & 20 respectively, they are not in a win now mode. So for them right now Picks from a team like Miami are far more important. Miami is also the only team that has an actual offer on the table, nobody else has come in to negotiate, so they are in a position to not have to go all in, just yet. Miami is playing this the right way if you have a chance to pick up Lillard and not lose all your future assets than yeah worth the wait, victory taste much sweeter when it comes in due time.
There trying to get Miami to up the offer.. when they realize there’s no more offers coming and Miami is prepared to go into the season with what we got.. they will accept if Miami made atleast made a “fair” offer..I see a lot of other teams fans wanting Portland to screw dame over and send him elsewhere but they gaven tidbits they do wana do wanna do right by him, and send him where he will be happy. Loyalty matters.. giving them a decade of great production and entertainment.. it matters.. I think by tip off of the Mia’s first reg season gm dame will be in heat uni.
Flash4thewin wrote:Jfh20 wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:It’s not about wanting, it’s about need. They have no need for Herro, they have literally 3 young guards on small contracts who they are building from. Scoot and Sharpe are 19 & 20 respectively, they are not in a win now mode. So for them right now Picks from a team like Miami are far more important. Miami is also the only team that has an actual offer on the table, nobody else has come in to negotiate, so they are in a position to not have to go all in, just yet. Miami is playing this the right way if you have a chance to pick up Lillard and not lose all your future assets than yeah worth the wait, victory taste much sweeter when it comes in due time.
There trying to get Miami to up the offer.. when they realize there’s no more offers coming and Miami is prepared to go into the season with what we got.. they will accept if Miami made atleast made a “fair” offer..I see a lot of other teams fans wanting Portland to screw dame over and send him elsewhere but they gaven tidbits they do wana do wanna do right by him, and send him where he will be happy. Loyalty matters.. giving them a decade of great production and entertainment.. it matters.. I think by tip off of the Mia’s first reg season gm dame will be in heat uni.
The Blazers will do what is best for them. Loyalty matters until it doesn't. Best analogy would be a persons significant other cheating after being "loyal" and the other person has an air tight prenup. Loyalty went out the window and is just a hollow pr gimmick that teams use like loyalty and family.
Dame is talking big right now because it's the off season, if the Blazers have any common sense they wait this out. When Dame is faced with the reality of sitting out and get destroyed and mocked everywhere watch that list magically grow. It's just business at this point and waiting this out makes the most sense for them, that is not the case for us.
Time is a luxury we just dont have, Dame doesn't have it either but they do since they are rebuilding.
AirP. wrote:Who knows where he really is, just going off what the person tweeted.
ShulaDon92 wrote:Pokuokic wrote:ShulaDon92 wrote:
He's considered slow on defense and past his best days. We play a fast style. Maybe he could do the old Leonard Meyers/ spacer role but im not sure he hits threes
-SHULA
He's got way quicker feet than Love/Zeller/Dedmon/Yurt or whatever is backing Bam up and you can ran the offense through him in the 2nd unit. The Heat played a super slow half court style in a lot of the playoff games as well.
If that is the case, miami would welcome him with open arms. I'm not sure it is the case, Nurk has battled to return from some tough breaks. If he's too slow he will lose time to the Highsmith
-SHULA
Flash4thewin wrote:Jfh20 wrote:IceColdCubano wrote:It’s not about wanting, it’s about need. They have no need for Herro, they have literally 3 young guards on small contracts who they are building from. Scoot and Sharpe are 19 & 20 respectively, they are not in a win now mode. So for them right now Picks from a team like Miami are far more important. Miami is also the only team that has an actual offer on the table, nobody else has come in to negotiate, so they are in a position to not have to go all in, just yet. Miami is playing this the right way if you have a chance to pick up Lillard and not lose all your future assets than yeah worth the wait, victory taste much sweeter when it comes in due time.
There trying to get Miami to up the offer.. when they realize there’s no more offers coming and Miami is prepared to go into the season with what we got.. they will accept if Miami made atleast made a “fair” offer..I see a lot of other teams fans wanting Portland to screw dame over and send him elsewhere but they gaven tidbits they do wana do wanna do right by him, and send him where he will be happy. Loyalty matters.. giving them a decade of great production and entertainment.. it matters.. I think by tip off of the Mia’s first reg season gm dame will be in heat uni.
The Blazers will do what is best for them. Loyalty matters until it doesn't. Best analogy would be a persons significant other cheating after being "loyal" and the other person has an air tight prenup. Loyalty went out the window and is just a hollow pr gimmick that teams use like loyalty and family.
Dame is talking big right now because it's the off season, if the Blazers have any common sense they wait this out. When Dame is faced with the reality of sitting out and get destroyed and mocked everywhere watch that list magically grow. It's just business at this point and waiting this out makes the most sense for them, that is not the case for us.
Time is a luxury we just dont have, Dame doesn't have it either but they do since they are rebuilding.
MiamiLoyal926 wrote:ShulaDon92 wrote:Pokuokic wrote:He's got way quicker feet than Love/Zeller/Dedmon/Yurt or whatever is backing Bam up and you can ran the offense through him in the 2nd unit. The Heat played a super slow half court style in a lot of the playoff games as well.
If that is the case, miami would welcome him with open arms. I'm not sure it is the case, Nurk has battled to return from some tough breaks. If he's too slow he will lose time to the Highsmith
-SHULA
Not to mention his $$$ would put us in the 1st to 2nd apron tax zone for a few years… so taking him in would mean we are paying way more than just his salary to carry him on the roster for 3 more seasons. That coupled with the new CBA restrictions for teams operating over the cap…. And even the borderline questionable impact you are all saying he may actually have for us makes him a negative asset coming our way.
BBallFreak wrote:MiamiLoyal926 wrote:DusterBuster wrote:
Lmao. This post is hilarious.
I was asked a question, I answered it.
We’ll see what happens.
You finding humor in my post is the definition of irony!
I nearly fell out of my chair with that trade package! I get it though… I would have felt the same with Wade at 33!! He is worth to much to us for his years of service… more than others would ever understand.
I really don't agree with your evaluations. We should make that trade if it's offered and never look back. We'd need to add a vet backup point guard, but otherwise, we'd look like this:
Pg: Liliard
Sg: Richardson / Robinson
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Love / Martin
Cc: Bam / Nurkic
No one would be stopping us. We'd be deep and talented. Wouldn't complain about signing Wood for the minimum to fortify the power rotation, and I'd feel bad for Thomas Bryant and Orlando Robinson, but it is what it is. You take that and run with it...
MiamiLoyal926 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:MiamiLoyal926 wrote:
You finding humor in my post is the definition of irony!
I nearly fell out of my chair with that trade package! I get it though… I would have felt the same with Wade at 33!! He is worth to much to us for his years of service… more than others would ever understand.
I really don't agree with your evaluations. We should make that trade if it's offered and never look back. We'd need to add a vet backup point guard, but otherwise, we'd look like this:
Pg: Liliard
Sg: Richardson / Robinson
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Love / Martin
Cc: Bam / Nurkic
No one would be stopping us. We'd be deep and talented. Wouldn't complain about signing Wood for the minimum to fortify the power rotation, and I'd feel bad for Thomas Bryant and Orlando Robinson, but it is what it is. You take that and run with it...
It’s easy to not agree with me when you only look at it from the lens of how you would fix the roster issues this year and ignore the rest of the next 5+ seasons you would still be paying for this trade through.
“You make the trade and never look back”… how about looking ahead. You address how you may fill out the roster this year to make us competitive for the 23/24 season… but how about the 24/25 season… 25/26 season as Butler and Dame are running out of steam... 26/27 when Butler and Bam expire yet we don’t have money to bring in any new high quality blood cause we are still near or over the cap due to Dame’s 36 y/o self making $63mil. Maybe some of our draft picks could help us because they have gotten good… or maybe we can make a trade with another team involving the kids and draft picks… but wait we sent out all our good assets in the “make the trade and never look back” scenario.
It’s easier to make the deal when we are being shortsighted about the possible ripples from this trade. We have loved many years of not having enough assets to help Butler compete because of similar shortsighted moves for the instant gratification. I, for one, have been frustrated that Pat has not been able to make a single quality upgrade since the Dragic trade and then the Butler trade… but I recognize that it was the poor asset management over the years that made our cupboard bare enough that we just couldn’t be players in the market.
Here we are again… looking to repeat history for an aging guard making bank!!!
Daffy wrote:MiamiLoyal926 wrote:BBallFreak wrote:I really don't agree with your evaluations. We should make that trade if it's offered and never look back. We'd need to add a vet backup point guard, but otherwise, we'd look like this:
Pg: Liliard
Sg: Richardson / Robinson
Sf: Butler / Highsmith
Pf: Love / Martin
Cc: Bam / Nurkic
No one would be stopping us. We'd be deep and talented. Wouldn't complain about signing Wood for the minimum to fortify the power rotation, and I'd feel bad for Thomas Bryant and Orlando Robinson, but it is what it is. You take that and run with it...
It’s easy to not agree with me when you only look at it from the lens of how you would fix the roster issues this year and ignore the rest of the next 5+ seasons you would still be paying for this trade through.
“You make the trade and never look back”… how about looking ahead. You address how you may fill out the roster this year to make us competitive for the 23/24 season… but how about the 24/25 season… 25/26 season as Butler and Dame are running out of steam... 26/27 when Butler and Bam expire yet we don’t have money to bring in any new high quality blood cause we are still near or over the cap due to Dame’s 36 y/o self making $63mil. Maybe some of our draft picks could help us because they have gotten good… or maybe we can make a trade with another team involving the kids and draft picks… but wait we sent out all our good assets in the “make the trade and never look back” scenario.
It’s easier to make the deal when we are being shortsighted about the possible ripples from this trade. We have had many years of not having enough assets to help Butler compete because of similar shortsighted moves for the instant gratification. I, for one, have been frustrated that Pat has not been able to make a single quality upgrade since the Dragic trade and then the Butler trade… but I recognize that it was the poor asset management over the years that made our cupboard bare enough that we just couldn’t be players in the market.
Here we are again… looking to repeat history for an aging guard making bank!!!
At this point we get it. You don't want Dame unless it's for free.
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Skybox wrote:ORL fan...I come in peace (and admiration
WHY isn't Herro to ORL not obvious? and, if it is, what is preventing it?
My case: ORL could send a legit frp (2024, top 5 protected) for MIA to bundle in for Dame. ORL doesn't need more unproven children in their camp and they could really benefit from a floor-spreading, ballhandling, good-sized, aggressive scorer at SG...preferably young but a proven NBA scorer. To me, from where I'm sitting - Herro is a perfect fit in ORL and that pick plus expiring filler would be a steal for ORL ...but also help MIA immediately contend for the next couple of years. His contract doesn't worry me at all, considering what else I'm seeing lately. He's not a complete player...if he was, he'd be maxed and I wouldn't be here.
I hate MIA, but only like siblings...I'd happily help MIA collect rings now if it puts ORL in position to really take a big step forward while still maintaining a very young, high-upside roster that, maybe just maybe, threatens MIA in just a few years or even leaves them in the dust.
Serious question...would MIA resist sending him in-state to a (potential) rival?
More likely...ORL's risk-averse, non-Riley FO isn't even in your phonebook
greg4012 wrote:DusterBuster wrote:Tim_Hardawayy wrote:I disagree and you’re basing your own premise on a fluke one off situation. Also Simmons as flawed as he is, is young and in his prime. Lillards value drops every single day purely based on the passage of time, because unfortunately most of the league doesn’t age like LeBron (ped’s or not).
And you're basing your premise on... nothing. There's literally nothing to prove that his value drops "every single day" lol. That's a ludicrous statement.
I'm not going to bother arguing this with you, you have your very clear agenda which you're welcome to, especially on your board.
At this point, I'm relatively checked out. I'm not overly invested in what the Blazers get for Dame. If you're correct and Dame's value goes lower by waiting... oh well. They have their rebuilding core already set, so it's not like what the Blazer get back for Dame is so monumentally important as it needs to be the backbone of a rebuilding effort. At this point, whatever comes back from Dame is just supplementing their rebuild, not seeding it.
Interesting that being “relatively checked out” manifests in coming to the Heat’s forum to track the subject and post more on it when the other available forums you’ve been frequenting aren’t producing added dialogue at a sufficient pace.
Funny how that works.
Flash4thewin wrote:gom wrote:Wiltside wrote:
Sharpening my blade and preparing my abdomen for the inevitable.
4 more pages before cRonin rips me a new orifice.
Your taste in visuals is spot on
