Orlando Magic Vegas Summer League Games Thread Discussion (vs. Boston)

[pepe1991]

I might be crazy for saying this but I feel like this draft may go down as one of the best in the league's history. I just see so much talent. It's funny, I was so skeptical about this draft.

Miller, Victor and Scoot are elite prospects, maybe Amen as well ( and damn i like Miller's game).
But this SL competition seems to be awful.

Not only it's made out of 80% of non nba players, it's made out of 80% of non nba talents who are also inexperienced and very young. I joked about Harris being oldest SL player but when i saw rosters he might actually be one of few players older than 23. And maybe actually oldest

Some teams are playing like 4-5 players that are in their NBA rotation. Detroit played Duren, Wiseman, Ivey, and Thompson. All will probably be in the top 7 or 8 of their rotation. Harris isn't even a 15th man. He's on a two-way contract.

Indiana played 4 of their top 7 players also. Nembhard will be 24 this season.

https://sports.yahoo.com/oldest-players-2023-summer-league-122833736.html

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And there are teams like Wizards with 42 nba games played, combined. Harris played 32 nba games for example, Caleb Houstan 51.

Indiana had no reasons to bring Mathurin , nor Pistons, imo should have brought Ivey.

Wiseman is on his fast track out of a league anyway.

[basketballRob]

Miller, Victor and Scoot are elite prospects, maybe Amen as well ( and damn i like Miller's game).
But this SL competition seems to be awful.

Not only it's made out of 80% of non nba players, it's made out of 80% of non nba talents who are also inexperienced and very young. I joked about Harris being oldest SL player but when i saw rosters he might actually be one of few players older than 23. And maybe actually oldest

Some teams are playing like 4-5 players that are in their NBA rotation. Detroit played Duren, Wiseman, Ivey, and Thompson. All will probably be in the top 7 or 8 of their rotation. Harris isn't even a 15th man. He's on a two-way contract.

Indiana played 4 of their top 7 players also. Nembhard will be 24 this season.

https://sports.yahoo.com/oldest-players-2023-summer-league-122833736.html

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And there are teams like Wizards with 42 nba games played, combined. Harris played 32 nba games for example, Caleb Houstan 51.

Indiana had no reasons to bring Mathurin , nor Pistons, imo should have brought Ivey.

Wiseman is on his fast track out of a league anyway.

Nembhard started 63 games last season and will be 24 this season. Ivey started a lot and will be 22 this season.

The luck of the draw had our 19 year olds matched up against rotational NBA players.

Sure, Houstan and Harris played. Houstan is the 14-15 man, and Harris is on a two-way.



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[pepe1991]

Some teams are playing like 4-5 players that are in their NBA rotation. Detroit played Duren, Wiseman, Ivey, and Thompson. All will probably be in the top 7 or 8 of their rotation. Harris isn't even a 15th man. He's on a two-way contract.

Indiana played 4 of their top 7 players also. Nembhard will be 24 this season.

https://sports.yahoo.com/oldest-players-2023-summer-league-122833736.html

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And there are teams like Wizards with 42 nba games played, combined. Harris played 32 nba games for example, Caleb Houstan 51.

Indiana had no reasons to bring Mathurin , nor Pistons, imo should have brought Ivey.

Wiseman is on his fast track out of a league anyway.

Nembhard started 63 games last season and will be 24 this season. Ivey started a lot and will be 22 this season.

The luck of the draw had our 19 year olds matched up against rotational NBA players.

Sure, Houstan and Harris played. Houstan is the 14-15 man, and Harris is on a two-way.



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Nembhard is also second round pick.

I don't really care about our SL roster , nor SL league in general, and i highly doubt Jett nor Black will play more than 1 more game until they are shut down. And that seems to be trend for most of first round picks & somewhat established nba rotation players.

Whole point of SL is basically "hey remember draft from last month, there you have it, this is stop gap between draft and camp".

And now some teams use SL as team building week. Witch is cool, if you don't have other plans. You still won't see Lebron nor Jokic in Vegas clapping hands watching bunch of nobodies play.

[basketballRob]

And there are teams like Wizards with 42 nba games played, combined. Harris played 32 nba games for example, Caleb Houstan 51.

Indiana had no reasons to bring Mathurin , nor Pistons, imo should have brought Ivey.

Wiseman is on his fast track out of a league anyway.

Nembhard started 63 games last season and will be 24 this season. Ivey started a lot and will be 22 this season.

The luck of the draw had our 19 year olds matched up against rotational NBA players.

Sure, Houstan and Harris played. Houstan is the 14-15 man, and Harris is on a two-way.



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Nembhard is also second round pick.

I don't really care about our SL roster , nor SL league in general, and i highly doubt Jett nor Black will play more than 1 more game until they are shut down. And that seems to be trend for most of first round picks & somewhat established nba rotation players.

Whole point of SL is basically "hey remember draft from last month, there you have it, this is stop gap between draft and camp".

And now some teams use SL as team building week. Witch is cool, if you don't have other plans. You still won't see Lebron nor Jokic in Vegas clapping hands watching bunch of nobodies play.

Weltman sounded like he may have the rookies play all of the games.

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[jezzerinho]

The value for teams to put rookies out in SL has very little to do woth the result ofnthe games, or even the games themselves. It's an induction into how NBA players prepare, train, get organised, show up on time, process playing styles and tactics etc.

Sure, there's a bit of on-court learning, but once a team has shown a rook the ropes as far as how the machine rolls, most ofnthe SL value is achieved, imo.

[drsd]

Hilarious interview!

Watch on YouTube

[Skybox]

Guys did you see nick Smith tonight? Man we should've drafted him 6th.... He's the new Donovan Mitchell

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Yeah...I'm excited for him. I wasn't pushing hard, because his physicals scared me (skinny, injured) but he looks like a prototypical NBA combo guard and, potentially, a really good fit next to Lamelo (or Franz/Paolo/Suggs). His game, IMO, most mirrored Jamal Murray's, who is what I dreamt of for our PG spot.

Obviously, SL is SL, basically an All-Star game without anything resembling All Stars, but still...he looked like the guy he projected to be coming into the draft and CHA may have gotten the steal of the draft.

[SOUL]

He's not serious about that post lol.. he's making fun of people overreacting from the games and that was his one good game so far. He is interesting though if he can get it all together - there's a lot of guys like that in this draft

[Skybox]

He's not serious about that post lol.. he's making fun of people overreacting from the games and that was his one good game so far. He is interesting though if he can get it all together - there's a lot of guys like that in this draft

I understand...I expressed why I wouldn't have had the courage to go #6 with NSJ...just saying that, pre-injury that's where he was and might be in a re-draft. I'm watching him and hope it works out for him as he IS the type of guard every team can use...we'll see what he really is soon enough, but (at least for one night) he looked like he was supposed to look before joining Whitmore on the slide.

[SOUL]

He's not serious about that post lol.. he's making fun of people overreacting from the games and that was his one good game so far. He is interesting though if he can get it all together - there's a lot of guys like that in this draft

I understand...I expressed why I wouldn't have had the courage to go #6 with NSJ...just saying that, pre-injury that's where he was and might be in a re-draft. I'm watching him and hope it works out for him as he IS the type of guard every team can use...we'll see what he really is soon enough, but (at least for one night) he looked like he was supposed to look before joining Whitmore on the slide.

Yeah, the potential is there for sure. Theoretically he's probably someone they looked at, I think the FO likes the highly ranked guys out of HS that may have struggled in college for some reason or another

[basketballRob]

The only knocks that I have with NSJ are that he needs to add strength and that he plays too fast. Those things can be fixed, but it could take 1-2 years.

It takes guards a while. Look at Andrew Nembhard. 4 years in college and 1 year as a pro, and he looks like a rotational guard now.

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[Skybox]

The only knocks that I have with NSJ are that he needs to add strength and that he plays too fast. Those things can be fixed, but it could take 1-2 years.

It takes guards a while. Look at Andrew Nembhard. 4 years in college and 1 year as a pro, and he looks like a rotational guard now.

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We don't need to wait...Herro is available right now for a decent pick

[tiderulz]

The only knocks that I have with NSJ are that he needs to add strength and that he plays too fast. Those things can be fixed, but it could take 1-2 years.

It takes guards a while. Look at Andrew Nembhard. 4 years in college and 1 year as a pro, and he looks like a rotational guard now.

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We don't need to wait...Herro is available right now for a decent pick

i wouldnt give more than the Denver pick, and i would be just a little hesitant. Miami scouting and development are great, then find and develop gems. but then Riley dumps bags of money on the players really early. They are already regretting Duncan Robinson's deal 2 years later and i bet they regret Herro and his $30mil/yr avg a little. thats a lot for a SG that isnt close to a 2-way player.

[JoshuaPotter]

The only knocks that I have with NSJ are that he needs to add strength and that he plays too fast. Those things can be fixed, but it could take 1-2 years.

It takes guards a while. Look at Andrew Nembhard. 4 years in college and 1 year as a pro, and he looks like a rotational guard now.

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We don't need to wait...Herro is available right now for a decent pick

i wouldnt give more than the Denver pick, and i would be just a little hesitant. Miami scouting and development are great, then find and develop gems. but then Riley dumps bags of money on the players really early. They are already regretting Duncan Robinson's deal 2 years later and i bet they regret Herro and his $30mil/yr avg a little. thats a lot for a SG that isnt close to a 2-way player.

I want to add. That Herro isn't available to us for a 1st round pick. Or even 2, or even 3.

Heat will not make a trade that makes us a conference rival better. Now would he do this trade to a west coast team? Probably.

[jonbob17]

We don't need to wait...Herro is available right now for a decent pick

i wouldnt give more than the Denver pick, and i would be just a little hesitant. Miami scouting and development are great, then find and develop gems. but then Riley dumps bags of money on the players really early. They are already regretting Duncan Robinson's deal 2 years later and i bet they regret Herro and his $30mil/yr avg a little. thats a lot for a SG that isnt close to a 2-way player.

I want to add. That Herro isn't available to us for a 1st round pick. Or even 2, or even 3.

Heat will not make a trade that makes us a conference rival better. Now would he do this trade to a west coast team? Probably.

The Heat would do whatever they can to get Dame while keeping Bam and Butler. Unfortunately (for the heat) they just don't have enough. Herro is about it, and even with a 3rd team giving a couple firsts for Herro(i dont think any team would) that isn't getting a deal done.

[tiderulz]

i wouldnt give more than the Denver pick, and i would be just a little hesitant. Miami scouting and development are great, then find and develop gems. but then Riley dumps bags of money on the players really early. They are already regretting Duncan Robinson's deal 2 years later and i bet they regret Herro and his $30mil/yr avg a little. thats a lot for a SG that isnt close to a 2-way player.

I want to add. That Herro isn't available to us for a 1st round pick. Or even 2, or even 3.

Heat will not make a trade that makes us a conference rival better. Now would he do this trade to a west coast team? Probably.

The Heat would do whatever they can to get Dame while keeping Bam and Butler. Unfortunately (for the heat) they just don't have enough. Herro is about it, and even with a 3rd team giving a couple firsts for Herro(i dont think any team would) that isn't getting a deal done.

yeah, thats how i see it too. Miami wouldnt care if it gets them Lillard.

[jonbob17]

I got around to watching Monday's game last night. These summer games can be brutal to watch sometimes. Black is showing enough of what makes him special. Some of the shooting was tough to watch, airball on the stepback comes to mind. Passing and defense looks real.. Plays under such control.

Howard's passing is better than i expected. I don't know about him, i still think he is a project, but theres might be more to his game than the draft universe thought. Not sure how many minutes he gets this year though.

Houstan seems like he is going to stick around rotations for a while on the shooting alone, i know didnt fill it up last night but man that stroke is pure.

[drsd]

We don't need to wait...Herro is available right now for a decent pick

i wouldnt give more than the Denver pick, and i would be just a little hesitant. Miami scouting and development are great, then find and develop gems. but then Riley dumps bags of money on the players really early. They are already regretting Duncan Robinson's deal 2 years later and i bet they regret Herro and his $30mil/yr avg a little. thats a lot for a SG that isnt close to a 2-way player.

I want to add. That Herro isn't available to us for a 1st round pick. Or even 2, or even 3.

Heat will not make a trade that makes us a conference rival better. Now would he do this trade to a west coast team? Probably.

Miami and Orlando are not trading partners. Maybe for protected 2nd round picks to dump salary. But not for something substantial.

[Skybox]

i wouldnt give more than the Denver pick, and i would be just a little hesitant. Miami scouting and development are great, then find and develop gems. but then Riley dumps bags of money on the players really early. They are already regretting Duncan Robinson's deal 2 years later and i bet they regret Herro and his $30mil/yr avg a little. thats a lot for a SG that isnt close to a 2-way player.

I want to add. That Herro isn't available to us for a 1st round pick. Or even 2, or even 3.

Heat will not make a trade that makes us a conference rival better. Now would he do this trade to a west coast team? Probably.

The Heat would do whatever they can to get Dame while keeping Bam and Butler. Unfortunately (for the heat) they just don't have enough. Herro is about it, and even with a 3rd team giving a couple firsts for Herro(i dont think any team would) that isn't getting a deal done.

I think one REAL frp...not the DEN pick (only) should be a fair deal for Herro...what MIA adds is between them and POR. I suggest ORL 24 frp (top 5 protected). The protection covers us for a catastrophic injury-riddled season. 2024 isn't a high rated draft. ORL does NOT need more rookies around anyway. IF things go right (with Herro and Black and Jett...) they should - we're not even in the lottery next summer. Think about the real value of a proven player vs a shot in the dark, roll of the dice, 19 year old-added to a bunch of them (again).

Herro's deal, in realistic perspective, isn't out of line. He's young and potent offensively. He shoots 3's at a very high level, but he's not some spot up Kyle Korver, he's a very dynamic offensive creator. He's not a great defender...If he was he wouldn't be available and he'd be getting a max. He could play next to Fultz, Black, or even Suggs, as he is multi-dimensional AND can shoot consistently and aggressively. We would be snatching him for a very good deal because MIA has eyes on something MUCH bigger in Dame to win NOW. MIA, is in no way, "dumping" Herro...they are being forced to sacrifice.

It is conceivable that ORL is not in the mix because MIA does not want to face him 4x a year...that is NOT a sign of disrespect!

[RichCollab]

Guys did you see nick Smith tonight? Man we should've drafted him 6th.... He's the new Donovan Mitchell

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Yeah...I'm excited for him. I wasn't pushing hard, because his physicals scared me (skinny, injured) but he looks like a prototypical NBA combo guard and, potentially, a really good fit next to Lamelo (or Franz/Paolo/Suggs). His game, IMO, most mirrored Jamal Murray's, who is what I dreamt of for our PG spot.

Obviously, SL is SL, basically an All-Star game without anything resembling All Stars, but still...he looked like the guy he projected to be coming into the draft and CHA may have gotten the steal of the draft.

I’m a big fan of Nick Smith. I watched the limited games he played in college. I ended up wanting to avoid him since he was injured d at o much. We ended up drafting Jet who also was injured.

Jet is still a wildcard. His ceiling is almost exactly what we need but he has a low probability than others to hit his ceiling in my mind.