What's the strongest data-driven argument for Michael Jordan as GOAT?

[70sFan]

Player Comps being dumbed down to the "LeBron Board" is false lol.. there's many great posters (a majority of which, no affiliation with James from a fandom standpoint) I've come across. Another baseless claim

You should know that anyone who has a different opinion on Curry than WarriorGM is either a troll or uneducated fool.

People are free to while away the time in the classic Curry is exposed thread and see what foolishness looks like.

Yeah, because you can only believe that Curry is the best player of the last two decades or that he sucks. There are no other possible opinions, right?

Who of them were regular PC Board posters by the way?

[Jaivl]

You dont need to deny your Kareem preference,man, we both know you like him. But its very good in this context - because you in the minority on PC anyway...
If we have 2 Jordan fanboys, 1 Kareem fanboy, 1 Wilt fanboy and gazzilion of Lebron fanboys - I suppose the board are still biased?

Yes, I like Kareem. I prefer Wilt over him. It doesn't mean I have to vote for Wilt when I see who is better within my criteria.

I always wanted Bill Russell to be on my GOAT list, but my criteria don't allow me for that anr instead after all these years I finished with a player I despite the most among top 10 candidates at the top. Not because I am biased, but because that's where my criteria put me in. Should I change my criteria because I don't like the results? Is it how people supposed to work?

Your criteria is your preference. or not? or you really pretend that you are some chatGPT who could totally abstract from your own preferences here? Its interesting case...Maybe we dealing with split mind here... sorry
Anyway you are not bad poster and a drop in the ocean of one-celled Lebron fans there, who change their criteria for his idol and not vice versa.

Jesus Christ, just shut up and avoid embarrassing yourself any further.

[WarriorGM]

You should know that anyone who has a different opinion on Curry than WarriorGM is either a troll or uneducated fool.

People are free to while away the time in the classic Curry is exposed thread and see what foolishness looks like.

Yeah, because you can only believe that Curry is the best player of the last two decades or that he sucks. There are no other possible opinions, right?

Who of them were regular PC Board posters by the way?

I do not bother to keep a running tally of who on the LeBron board holds what opinion of Curry. But if I recall correctly the LeBron board in one of its projects still held Chris Paul in higher esteem even in 2020 while ignoring votes for Curry.

[70sFan]

People are free to while away the time in the classic Curry is exposed thread and see what foolishness looks like.

Yeah, because you can only believe that Curry is the best player of the last two decades or that he sucks. There are no other possible opinions, right?

Who of them were regular PC Board posters by the way?

I do not bother to keep a running tally of who on the LeBron board holds what opinion of Curry. But if I recall correctly the LeBron board in one of its projects still held Chris Paul in higher esteem even in 2020 while ignoring votes for Curry.

Yes, Paul got voted in before Curry in 2020 playoffs -mostly because people used career value approach and Paul had a massive longevity advantage over Steph. The idea that you can't understand that even after 3 years is sad.

Curry finishing over Paul this year won't make your point, nobody voted in back then based on projections.

[WarriorGM]

Yeah, because you can only believe that Curry is the best player of the last two decades or that he sucks. There are no other possible opinions, right?

Who of them were regular PC Board posters by the way?

I do not bother to keep a running tally of who on the LeBron board holds what opinion of Curry. But if I recall correctly the LeBron board in one of its projects still held Chris Paul in higher esteem even in 2020 while ignoring votes for Curry.

Yes, Paul got voted in before Curry in 2020 playoffs -mostly because people used career value approach and Paul had a massive longevity advantage over Steph. The idea that you can't understand that even after 3 years is sad.

Curry finishing over Paul this year won't make your point, nobody voted in back then based on projections.

By 2020 projections weren't necessary. 3 championships. 2 MVPs. 3 67+ wins seasons. The greatest statistical regular season ever. The greatest 5 consecutive years in an NBA career. And opposed to that what? Paul hadn't even made a finals appearance yet.

Now riddle me this: who on the LeBron board ranks Stephen Curry higher than LeBron?

[70sFan]

I do not bother to keep a running tally of who on the LeBron board holds what opinion of Curry. But if I recall correctly the LeBron board in one of its projects still held Chris Paul in higher esteem even in 2020 while ignoring votes for Curry.

Yes, Paul got voted in before Curry in 2020 playoffs -mostly because people used career value approach and Paul had a massive longevity advantage over Steph. The idea that you can't understand that even after 3 years is sad.

Curry finishing over Paul this year won't make your point, nobody voted in back then based on projections.

By 2020 projections weren't necessary. 3 championships. 2 MVPs. 3 67+ wins seasons. The greatest statistical regular season ever. The greatest 5 consecutive years in an NBA career. And opposed to that what? Paul hadn't even made a finals appearance yet.

Now riddle me this: who on the LeBron board ranks Stephen Curry higher than LeBron?

Well, then you should accept that not everyone ranks players based on rings. Not everyone (to say the least) agree that Curry has the best 5 consecutive years in an NBA career.

I don't know who ranks Curry higher than James. I can assure you that you can ask this question on any board and site, the staggering majority would pick LeBron over Curry as well. It doesn't mean you have to pick James, but it shows that your evidence is not really an evidence of anything.

[WarriorGM]

Yes, Paul got voted in before Curry in 2020 playoffs -mostly because people used career value approach and Paul had a massive longevity advantage over Steph. The idea that you can't understand that even after 3 years is sad.

Curry finishing over Paul this year won't make your point, nobody voted in back then based on projections.

By 2020 projections weren't necessary. 3 championships. 2 MVPs. 3 67+ wins seasons. The greatest statistical regular season ever. The greatest 5 consecutive years in an NBA career. And opposed to that what? Paul hadn't even made a finals appearance yet.

Now riddle me this: who on the LeBron board ranks Stephen Curry higher than LeBron?

Well, then you should accept that not everyone ranks players based on rings. Not everyone (to say the least) agree that Curry has the best 5 consecutive years in an NBA career.

I don't know who ranks Curry higher than James. I can assure you that you can ask this question on any board and site, the staggering majority would pick LeBron over Curry as well. It doesn't mean you have to pick James, but it shows that your evidence is not really an evidence of anything.

Or—repeat after me—groupthink echo chamber.

[70sFan]

By 2020 projections weren't necessary. 3 championships. 2 MVPs. 3 67+ wins seasons. The greatest statistical regular season ever. The greatest 5 consecutive years in an NBA career. And opposed to that what? Paul hadn't even made a finals appearance yet.

Now riddle me this: who on the LeBron board ranks Stephen Curry higher than LeBron?

Well, then you should accept that not everyone ranks players based on rings. Not everyone (to say the least) agree that Curry has the best 5 consecutive years in an NBA career.

I don't know who ranks Curry higher than James. I can assure you that you can ask this question on any board and site, the staggering majority would pick LeBron over Curry as well. It doesn't mean you have to pick James, but it shows that your evidence is not really an evidence of anything.

Or—repeat after me—groupthink echo chamber.

That is why we have someone nominating Curry inside top 5 already. That's why there is a big disagreement about the ranking of Duncan and Russell. That is why there is a very fierce discussion about Hakeem in the last two threads...

But sure, it is a groupthink eche chamber, because the results don't agree with you. Remarkable analysis indeed.

[WarriorGM]

Well, then you should accept that not everyone ranks players based on rings. Not everyone (to say the least) agree that Curry has the best 5 consecutive years in an NBA career.

I don't know who ranks Curry higher than James. I can assure you that you can ask this question on any board and site, the staggering majority would pick LeBron over Curry as well. It doesn't mean you have to pick James, but it shows that your evidence is not really an evidence of anything.

Or—repeat after me—groupthink echo chamber.

That is why we have someone nominating Curry inside top 5 already. That's why there is a big disagreement about the ranking of Duncan and Russell. That is why there is a very fierce discussion about Hakeem in the last two threads...

But sure, it is a groupthink eche chamber, because the results don't agree with you. Remarkable analysis indeed.

There are two clear top 10 candidates from this era. We've been fortunate to have been witness to them for the past decade and they are still active. But for some strange reason a direct comparison of the two seems to be avoided at every turn and is met with silence even though it is the most obvious comparison to make. Let's compare any two other players though just not those two! The silence is deafening.

[70sFan]

Or—repeat after me—groupthink echo chamber.

That is why we have someone nominating Curry inside top 5 already. That's why there is a big disagreement about the ranking of Duncan and Russell. That is why there is a very fierce discussion about Hakeem in the last two threads...

But sure, it is a groupthink eche chamber, because the results don't agree with you. Remarkable analysis indeed.

There are two clear top 10 candidates from this era. We've been fortunate to have been witness to them for the past decade and they are still active. But for some reason strange reason a direct comparison of the two seems to be avoided at every turn and is met with silence even though it is the most obvious comparison to make. Let's compare any two other players though just not those two! The silence is deafening.

You are wrong, people are not afraid of LeBron vs Curry comparisons at all. It's your wishful thinking.

[WarriorGM]

That is why we have someone nominating Curry inside top 5 already. That's why there is a big disagreement about the ranking of Duncan and Russell. That is why there is a very fierce discussion about Hakeem in the last two threads...

But sure, it is a groupthink eche chamber, because the results don't agree with you. Remarkable analysis indeed.

There are two clear top 10 candidates from this era. We've been fortunate to have been witness to them for the past decade and they are still active. But for some reason strange reason a direct comparison of the two seems to be avoided at every turn and is met with silence even though it is the most obvious comparison to make. Let's compare any two other players though just not those two! The silence is deafening.

You are wrong, people are not afraid of LeBron vs Curry comparisons at all. It's your wishful thinking.

Can you point me to a multi-page thread that lasts longer than one between Russell and Wilt?

[OhayoKD]

I do not bother to keep a running tally of who on the LeBron board holds what opinion of Curry. But if I recall correctly the LeBron board in one of its projects still held Chris Paul in higher esteem even in 2020 while ignoring votes for Curry.

Yes, Paul got voted in before Curry in 2020 playoffs -mostly because people used career value approach and Paul had a massive longevity advantage over Steph. The idea that you can't understand that even after 3 years is sad.

Curry finishing over Paul this year won't make your point, nobody voted in back then based on projections.

By 2020 projections weren't necessary. 3 championships. 2 MVPs. 3 67+ wins seasons. The greatest statistical regular season ever. The greatest 5 consecutive years in an NBA career. And opposed to that what? Paul hadn't even made a finals appearance yet.

Now riddle me this: who on the LeBron board ranks Stephen Curry higher than LeBron?

Curious how you came to that conclusion my very unbiased friend

[WarriorGM]

Yes, Paul got voted in before Curry in 2020 playoffs -mostly because people used career value approach and Paul had a massive longevity advantage over Steph. The idea that you can't understand that even after 3 years is sad.

Curry finishing over Paul this year won't make your point, nobody voted in back then based on projections.

By 2020 projections weren't necessary. 3 championships. 2 MVPs. 3 67+ wins seasons. The greatest statistical regular season ever. The greatest 5 consecutive years in an NBA career. And opposed to that what? Paul hadn't even made a finals appearance yet.

Now riddle me this: who on the LeBron board ranks Stephen Curry higher than LeBron?

Curious how you came to that conclusion my very unbiased friend

3 championships in 5 finals appearances in the modern era of 4 consecutive 7-game series. Throw in 3 67+ win regular seasons and a couple MVP seasons one being the only unanimous one on record. Not many of those lying around.

[hippesthippo]

LeBron is the better all around player he was labeled a pass first guy but he does and always was a scores to a fault also he has longevity over Mj that is all MJ was the real deal had he had longevity like LeBron it would be a question MJ was the only goat since lebron had played 20 seasons he’s racked up every single individual accolades/achievement except dpoy it that a knock on him at all he’s a great great player all time great runner up to MJ i shame in that he can have 10 rings to MJ 6 he’s still not my goat for Various reasons such as ring chasing complaints about not having enough help when he’s the one who picked his teammates and then turns on them he rather cheat to win weather then beat the best players in the league like dude you can’t have all the best players on your team what fun is that he don’t care he thing’s getting more rings then MJ he’s the goat smh heck he thinks he should be loved by the millions and millions or ppl on planet earth shame on him he’s made the league watered down almost unwatchable at times he flops do dirty tactics at times he’s even got someone called for a fouls or technical foul then winks at the camera and suddenly his team wins the game nah bro you gotta beat the best not cheat

Punctuate much? I got about three lines in before giving up.

[ShaqAttac]

By 2020 projections weren't necessary. 3 championships. 2 MVPs. 3 67+ wins seasons. The greatest statistical regular season ever. The greatest 5 consecutive years in an NBA career. And opposed to that what? Paul hadn't even made a finals appearance yet.

Now riddle me this: who on the LeBron board ranks Stephen Curry higher than LeBron?

Curious how you came to that conclusion my very unbiased friend

3 championships in 5 finals appearances in the modern era of 4 consecutive 7-game series. Throw in 3 67+ win regular seasons and a couple MVP seasons one being the only unanimous one on record. Not many of those lying around.

russ literally won 8 in a row. mj n curry fans so similar.

[WarriorGM]

Curious how you came to that conclusion my very unbiased friend

3 championships in 5 finals appearances in the modern era of 4 consecutive 7-game series. Throw in 3 67+ win regular seasons and a couple MVP seasons one being the only unanimous one on record. Not many of those lying around.

russ literally won 8 in a row. mj n curry fans so similar.

Russell did it in a league where all it took was 2 playoffs series to win a championship.

[ShaqAttac]

I believe some individuals tend to excessively focus on certain data points, nitpicking and exaggerating the differences between their favorite players. Factors such as the era they played in, the system they were a part of, their role within the team, and the lack of comprehensive advanced metrics during specific periods have a significant impact that cannot be fully captured with advanced data alone.

Even a seemingly simple metric ppg for an individual player can vary depending on various circumstances, yet we often find ourselves comparing players based on complex calculations relying on tracking numbers that may be unavailable for certain eras.

If LeBron James had played in a triangle offense under Phil Jackson or if Michael Jordan had played in a system where he had a dominant post player throughout their careers, the statistical outcomes would likely look significantly different.

These statistics do hold value. Candidates for the GOAT should excel in some of these advanced metrics or box score statistics, as it helps validate their greatness.

However, simply stating that Player A is better than Player B solely based on statistics, disregarding individual accolades and team success, is not an appropriate use of statistics. It often reflects an individual's bias rather than an objective assessment.

i think ur just tryna sound smart

[ShaqAttac]

3 championships in 5 finals appearances in the modern era of 4 consecutive 7-game series. Throw in 3 67+ win regular seasons and a couple MVP seasons one being the only unanimous one on record. Not many of those lying around.

russ literally won 8 in a row. mj n curry fans so similar.

Russell did it in a league where all it took was 2 playoffs series to win a championship.

why u tryna act like 1st n 2nd round teams woulda been tough lol

[WarriorGM]

russ literally won 8 in a row. mj n curry fans so similar.

Russell did it in a league where all it took was 2 playoffs series to win a championship.

why u tryna act like 1st n 2nd round teams woulda been tough lol

Upsets happen and the longer grind requires endurance. I do not mind if you argue Russell has a better claim, but Curry certainly has one too.

[ShaqAttac]

Russell did it in a league where all it took was 2 playoffs series to win a championship.

why u tryna act like 1st n 2nd round teams woulda been tough lol

Upsets happen and the longer grind requires endurance. I do not mind if you argue Russell has a better claim, but Curry certainly has one too.

bro won 11. curry got no claim. Just lame ass excuses