Raptors sign Markquis Nowell

[HumbleRen]

im still cracking up lol

I was shaking my head when I saw him do this

He too old to be doing this at his big age at summer league

[KL78192020]

im still cracking up lol

I was shaking my head when I saw him do this

He too old to be doing this at his big age at summer league

That clip brings back nightmares of a former Raps PG.

[Raptors_128]

Cut him. I’ve seen enough.

We don’t need Fred 2.0 here.

[Boogie!]

im still cracking up lol

I was shaking my head when I saw him do this

He too old to be doing this at his big age at summer league

The worst part about it is appareny he has no idea what a good shot looks like out of his hands....

Even the nick Young one at least bounced around the rim before it popped out. This one was nowhere close. Yikes.

[Boogie!]

I think they’re taking the positions too literally. The current NBA is too complex and dynamic to be using these positions in such an archaic way.

Not surprising since most of them thought the core was worth keeping together lol.

It’s not about taking the positions too literally—I’m just using your logic. When I coach the game I don’t even give my kids positions, I give them responsibilities based on skill set and physical profiles. But again, you introduced this talk of so and so is a guard and so and so is a wing. Using your logic, Norm is not a wing player, based on how he plays, the areas of the court he operates from, and how he accesses his opportunities. He’s a guard who can play some wing minutes in a pinch.

However, if we want to play semantics then we can say that players with guard skills, regardless of positional signifiers, tend to operate from the perimeter and those with wing skills tend to be more versatile in the areas they operate from, typically a mix of perimeter and midrange with a little bit of post play mixed in there.

How often is a player like Norm being given the ball to create for others from the perimeter or given the ball in the midrange or post to create for himself? Not very often. What does that leave us with? I’ll let you figure it out.

I really don't think it's semantics when you've seen our roster construction philosophy over the last couple of years, or lets say lack of one.

Building a roster of 6'9 dudes is cute and all but it means nothing if you don't have differing skillsets. When you see how starved we are for guards, you don't look at Norm and GTJ as someone who can alleviate that. Even if you had both Norm and GTJ on this team, it wouldn't solve a single issue in terms of what we need from our guard depth. Why ? Because their skillset is are what wings bring to the table.

Norman powell is much more versatile than trent and definitely brings a different look to our current squad in terms of skillset. He's actually explosive off the dribble and can get in the paint and finish in traffic. His ball handling isn't elite, but combined with his explosiveness and athleticism, it's enough to actually create offense for himself and even others. The clippers used him in this role quite a bit. There were times where there was no traditional pg in the 2nd unit and it was him handling the ball. I'm not sure why people still don't understand norms skillset.

[HumbleRen]

It’s not about taking the positions too literally—I’m just using your logic. When I coach the game I don’t even give my kids positions, I give them responsibilities based on skill set and physical profiles. But again, you introduced this talk of so and so is a guard and so and so is a wing. Using your logic, Norm is not a wing player, based on how he plays, the areas of the court he operates from, and how he accesses his opportunities. He’s a guard who can play some wing minutes in a pinch.

However, if we want to play semantics then we can say that players with guard skills, regardless of positional signifiers, tend to operate from the perimeter and those with wing skills tend to be more versatile in the areas they operate from, typically a mix of perimeter and midrange with a little bit of post play mixed in there.

How often is a player like Norm being given the ball to create for others from the perimeter or given the ball in the midrange or post to create for himself? Not very often. What does that leave us with? I’ll let you figure it out.

I really don't think it's semantics when you've seen our roster construction philosophy over the last couple of years, or lets say lack of one.

Building a roster of 6'9 dudes is cute and all but it means nothing if you don't have differing skillsets. When you see how starved we are for guards, you don't look at Norm and GTJ as someone who can alleviate that. Even if you had both Norm and GTJ on this team, it wouldn't solve a single issue in terms of what we need from our guard depth. Why ? Because their skillset is are what wings bring to the table.

Norman powell is much more versatile than trent and definitely brings a different look to our current squad in terms of skillset. He's actually explosive off the dribble and can get in the paint and finish in traffic. His ball handling isn't elite, but combined with his explosiveness and athleticism, it's enough to actually create offense for himself and even others. The clippers used him in this role quite a bit. There were times where there was no traditional pg in the 2nd unit and it was him handling the ball. I'm not sure why people still don't understand norms skillset.

He’s definitely more dynamic than GTJ, which isn’t hard to do to be fair haha.

It’s a shame we never really gave him a chance to be a starter for us. Especially considering the FO wanted to win instead of going into a rebuild when they made the trade for GTJ.

That being said, he still isn’t the answer for us at the guard position. We need combo guards to fully maximize Scottie’s talents.

[Brinbe]

never beating the shorter fred allegations, sadly.

might be okay in the 905 (not on a 2-way) but don't think he's really worth developing.

[Boogie!]

I really don't think it's semantics when you've seen our roster construction philosophy over the last couple of years, or lets say lack of one.

Building a roster of 6'9 dudes is cute and all but it means nothing if you don't have differing skillsets. When you see how starved we are for guards, you don't look at Norm and GTJ as someone who can alleviate that. Even if you had both Norm and GTJ on this team, it wouldn't solve a single issue in terms of what we need from our guard depth. Why ? Because their skillset is are what wings bring to the table.

Norman powell is much more versatile than trent and definitely brings a different look to our current squad in terms of skillset. He's actually explosive off the dribble and can get in the paint and finish in traffic. His ball handling isn't elite, but combined with his explosiveness and athleticism, it's enough to actually create offense for himself and even others. The clippers used him in this role quite a bit. There were times where there was no traditional pg in the 2nd unit and it was him handling the ball. I'm not sure why people still don't understand norms skillset.

He’s definitely more dynamic than GTJ, which isn’t hard to do to be fair haha.

It’s a shame we never really gave him a chance to be a starter for us. Especially considering the FO wanted to win instead of going into a rebuild when they made the trade for GTJ.

That being said, he still isn’t the answer for us at the guard position. We need combo guards to fully maximize Scottie’s talents.

I disagree. I think norm is perfect next to Scottie... number one he's an elite catch and shoot player... he's also elite at finishing in transition... scottie would be racking up assists passing him the ball... number 2, hes the perfect complimentary player in that occasionally you can give him the ball to get you a basket in pick and roll scenarios, or even in last minute iso scenarios...

I think norm was grossly undervalued In his time here. I agree that it made no sense that we didnt give him a chance as ths permanent starter. Given our timeline and age and chemistry with the starters (he already had a good relationship with fvv, og and siakam) it would've made way more sense to keep that core together if they wanted to keep making the playoffs... imagine keeping that core together and having scottie run the b3nch unit... we could've been so much deeper. And by the time the contracts ran out, (this year) we could've officially handed over the keys to scottie anyway...

Instead front office did this half ass youth movement thinking gary could replicate what norm provided (which at the time to much vocal backlash as usual, i already noted that their skillsets were different and norm was a much more dynamic player) and that siakam and fvv could carry the youth...

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that play at the end where he looked off dick to chuck up a brick was off putting

[Brinbe]

Norman powell is much more versatile than trent and definitely brings a different look to our current squad in terms of skillset. He's actually explosive off the dribble and can get in the paint and finish in traffic. His ball handling isn't elite, but combined with his explosiveness and athleticism, it's enough to actually create offense for himself and even others. The clippers used him in this role quite a bit. There were times where there was no traditional pg in the 2nd unit and it was him handling the ball. I'm not sure why people still don't understand norms skillset.

He’s definitely more dynamic than GTJ, which isn’t hard to do to be fair haha.

It’s a shame we never really gave him a chance to be a starter for us. Especially considering the FO wanted to win instead of going into a rebuild when they made the trade for GTJ.

That being said, he still isn’t the answer for us at the guard position. We need combo guards to fully maximize Scottie’s talents.

I disagree. I think norm is perfect next to Scottie... number one he's an elite catch and shoot player... he's also elite at finishing in transition... scottie would be racking up assists passing him the ball... number 2, hes the perfect complimentary player in that occasionally you can give him the ball to get you a basket in pick and roll scenarios, or even in last minute iso scenarios...

I think norm was grossly undervalued In his time here. I agree that it made no sense that we didnt give him a chance as ths permanent starter. Given our timeline and age and chemistry with the starters (he already had a good relationship with fvv, og and siakam) it would've made way more sense to keep that core together if they wanted to keep making the playoffs... imagine keeping that core together and having scottie run the b3nch unit... we could've been so much deeper. And by the time the contracts ran out, (this year) we could've officially handed over the keys to scottie anyway...

Instead front office did this half ass youth movement thinking gary could replicate what norm provided (which at the time to much vocal backlash as usual, i already noted that their skillsets were different and norm was a much more dynamic player) and that siakam and fvv could carry the youth...

totally agree. norm would've been killer next to scottie. the finisher-partner in transition and the catch and shoot threat from 3. plus a guy who can get to the basket in the half-court. they cheaped out going with gary but don't think he'll ever be as good as norm.

[Boogie!]

never beating the shorter fred allegations, sadly.

might be okay in the 905 (not on a 2-way) but don't think he's really worth developing.

He has that sparkplug energy where if your team is struggling, his ability to come in, drop dimes and get a couple of easy baskets for teammates could spark a run and get everyone back in the game... but over the course of an entire game I don't see him being the full time point guard.

He can still be a rotation player, and he has a legit nba skill that translates to the next level, but he's probably best in short spurts as a bench player. I'm not gonna say He's not worth developing. His passing is better than most nba point guards. He would probably be the best passer on the raptors if he was called up. He just can't shoot and has tendency to overdribble and he's small. I think he has a role though, it's up to the coaches to get th3 most out of him.

[Boogie!]

He’s definitely more dynamic than GTJ, which isn’t hard to do to be fair haha.

It’s a shame we never really gave him a chance to be a starter for us. Especially considering the FO wanted to win instead of going into a rebuild when they made the trade for GTJ.

That being said, he still isn’t the answer for us at the guard position. We need combo guards to fully maximize Scottie’s talents.

I disagree. I think norm is perfect next to Scottie... number one he's an elite catch and shoot player... he's also elite at finishing in transition... scottie would be racking up assists passing him the ball... number 2, hes the perfect complimentary player in that occasionally you can give him the ball to get you a basket in pick and roll scenarios, or even in last minute iso scenarios...

I think norm was grossly undervalued In his time here. I agree that it made no sense that we didnt give him a chance as ths permanent starter. Given our timeline and age and chemistry with the starters (he already had a good relationship with fvv, og and siakam) it would've made way more sense to keep that core together if they wanted to keep making the playoffs... imagine keeping that core together and having scottie run the b3nch unit... we could've been so much deeper. And by the time the contracts ran out, (this year) we could've officially handed over the keys to scottie anyway...

Instead front office did this half ass youth movement thinking gary could replicate what norm provided (which at the time to much vocal backlash as usual, i already noted that their skillsets were different and norm was a much more dynamic player) and that siakam and fvv could carry the youth...

totally agree. norm would've been killer next to scottie. the finisher-partner in transition and the catch and shoot threat from 3. plus a guy who can get to the basket in the half-court. they cheaped out going with gary but don't think he'll ever be as good as norm.

He won't just because he doesn't have the same physical tools. He's too slow and no explosion... norm has how many posters already? Gary will never be able to do that.

That being said, it's all in the past. I hope gary makes the most of what he has now. The best we can hope for is he becomes less of a chucker, a little more team and system oriented, and starts knocking down his 3s at a higher percentage.

[Brinbe]

never beating the shorter fred allegations, sadly.

might be okay in the 905 (not on a 2-way) but don't think he's really worth developing.

He has that sparkplug energy where if your team is struggling, his ability to come in, drop dimes and get a couple of easy baskets for teammates could spark a run and get everyone back in the game... but over the course of an entire game I don't see him being the full time point guard.

He can still be a rotation player, and he has a legit nba skill that translates to the next level, but he's probably best in short spurts as a bench player. I'm not gonna say He's not worth developing. His passing is better than most nba point guards. He would probably be the best passer on the raptors if he was called up. He just can't shoot and has tendency to overdribble and he's small. I think he has a role though, it's up to the coaches to get th3 most out of him.

That's such a small use case that is it worth developing? Especially if you consider his negatives? I'd maybe perfer a more steady hand at the wheel than someone with the ups and downs of a Precious or Boucher

And the passing is nice in isolation but it's like a one-trick pony where there's not much else. And we know that being a point guard is so much more. Being able to feed the hot hand, read the vibes of a squad and be a floor general. I haven't really seen that from him?

I'll take a the steady, crafty Nembhard over the flashy and erratic guy.

[sbsat]

Of course fred van vleet is being dragged into a thread that has nothing to do with him. Let it go.

[tripa]

That one guy with a bunch of letters in his name posted 15 times in 4 different threads to troll me for saying Nowell cant shoot. Wasnt banned or even warned. And now he has decided to stop posting in this thread now that Nowell had a couple bad shooting games. Sometimes I hate it here, lol. And this is coming from a guy that loves Nowell and wants to see him succeed.

[tripa]

Of course fred van vleet is being dragged into a thread that has nothing to do with him. Let it go.

How dare they compare a newly signed point guard to the guy that played point guard for 5 seasons while dominating the ball.

Let it go.

[Boogie!]

never beating the shorter fred allegations, sadly.

might be okay in the 905 (not on a 2-way) but don't think he's really worth developing.

He has that sparkplug energy where if your team is struggling, his ability to come in, drop dimes and get a couple of easy baskets for teammates could spark a run and get everyone back in the game... but over the course of an entire game I don't see him being the full time point guard.

He can still be a rotation player, and he has a legit nba skill that translates to the next level, but he's probably best in short spurts as a bench player. I'm not gonna say He's not worth developing. His passing is better than most nba point guards. He would probably be the best passer on the raptors if he was called up. He just can't shoot and has tendency to overdribble and he's small. I think he has a role though, it's up to the coaches to get th3 most out of him.

That's such a small use case that is it worth developing? Especially if you consider his negatives? I'd maybe perfer a more steady hand at the wheel than someone with the ups and downs of a Precious or Boucher

And the passing is nice in isolation but it's like a one-trick pony where there's not much else. And we know that being a point guard is so much more. Being able to feed the hot hand, read the vibes of a squad and be a floor general. I haven't really seen that from him?

I'll take a the steady, crafty Nembhard over the flashy and erratic guy.

Again its summer league. Once he gets to the bigger club there's more of a pecking order... he's not gonns come in and try to be the man. Thats why I think with a defined role and coaching his elite passing can be an advantage. Again I haven't seen many point guards make the types of reads and pinpoint passes he does rven at the nba level. To me it's worth taking a flyer on.

[Basketball_Jones]

Start him I wanna see it

[Boogie!]

Of course fred van vleet is being dragged into a thread that has nothing to do with him. Let it go.

You realize you're part of the problem right. I'm still not sure why people keep getting upset that people are comparing fvv to another smaller guard.

Kobe has been compared to Michael his whole career. Lebron to magic and Michael. Everyone is being compared to everyone. Why are you so obsessed with fvv that it makes you so upset any time someone compares him with someone else?

[sbsat]

Of course fred van vleet is being dragged into a thread that has nothing to do with him. Let it go.

You realize you're part of the problem right. I'm still not sure why people keep getting upset that people are comparing fvv to another smaller guard.

Kobe has been compared to Michael his whole career. Lebron to magic and Michael. Everyone is being compared to everyone. Why are you so obsessed with fvv that it makes you so upset any time someone compares him with someone else?

Because the comparison makes absolutely no sense. Fvv isnt as sh*tty a player as the geniuses on here think he is. The odds nowell comes anything close to what fvv is today are extremely low. And if he does consider that a huge win for the raptors.