Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Bohemian]

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Jaylen next?

I want to ask fellow board mates to take a look at how the name on this jersey is spelled. Once you’ve got it, you’ve got it. Thanks!

Hopefully Pozingas, Porzingus and Porzingas all vanish at once!!

[ajones9219]

In our position, we should be looking at contracts as percentages of the 2nd apron, not the cap. It’s improbably we’ll be a cap space team for a long, long while to where we need to worry about that. It’s all about building a contending team that’s either below or somewhat reasonably over the 2nd apron. And if we do go over then having certain years you can dip back under to save repeater penalties.

It should also be noted that Brown’s 8% raise is off his first year salary. So to use easy numbers, if he made $10M, he gets an $800K raise to $10.8M. Then the next year, the raise is still just $800K, so now $11.6M. It doesn’t compound.

The cap on the other hand, does compound. So if the cap is $100M, next year it’s $110M. And then the following year it’s $121M.

Yup. Been trying to explain this math but it's just "jAyLeN tOo eXpEnsIve" in return

[BK_2020]

In our position, we should be looking at contracts as percentages of the 2nd apron, not the cap. It’s improbably we’ll be a cap space team for a long, long while to where we need to worry about that. It’s all about building a contending team that’s either below or somewhat reasonably over the 2nd apron. And if we do go over then having certain years you can dip back under to save repeater penalties.

It should also be noted that Brown’s 8% raise is off his first year salary. So to use easy numbers, if he made $10M, he gets an $800K raise to $10.8M. Then the next year, the raise is still just $800K, so now $11.6M. It doesn’t compound.

The cap on the other hand, does compound. So if the cap is $100M, next year it’s $110M. And then the following year it’s $121M.

Yup. Been trying to explain this math but it's just "jAyLeN tOo eXpEnsIve" in return

You don't just pay the maximum possible because you can. You don't walk into a dealership and insist that they accept $50,000 for the Fiat. You pay thousands below the MSRP or ideally you walk away and buy a more reputable brand.

[ajones9219]

In our position, we should be looking at contracts as percentages of the 2nd apron, not the cap. It’s improbably we’ll be a cap space team for a long, long while to where we need to worry about that. It’s all about building a contending team that’s either below or somewhat reasonably over the 2nd apron. And if we do go over then having certain years you can dip back under to save repeater penalties.

It should also be noted that Brown’s 8% raise is off his first year salary. So to use easy numbers, if he made $10M, he gets an $800K raise to $10.8M. Then the next year, the raise is still just $800K, so now $11.6M. It doesn’t compound.

The cap on the other hand, does compound. So if the cap is $100M, next year it’s $110M. And then the following year it’s $121M.

Yup. Been trying to explain this math but it's just "jAyLeN tOo eXpEnsIve" in return

You don't just pay the maximum possible because you can. You don't walk into a dealership and insist that they accept $50,000 for the Fiat. You pay thousands below the MSRP or ideally you walk away and buy a more reputable brand.

You do for a star player. He's worth the 295. That's what he will end up getting

[zoyathedestroya]

Because Brad knows ball. Jaylen is a top 20 player in the league, why would you not want him for a long time? The jaylen hate on this board gets incredibly silly at times

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I don't mind having a player like JB. But not at that money. Not at the BBIQ. And not at that role.

Again he's a clear cut top 20 player in the league (at worst) as your #2. What type of role do you expect? And he's a supermax level guy. He just is. All 30 teams would give jaylen that contract if they could

This theory will be tested once he's on that supermax and we're trying to trade him. Or maybe it won't cos Brad likes to have him here for a long, long time.

As for his ideal role, you've been here long enough to read the discussion the past two years. No need to repeat. Thought Ime did the best job of reining him in (as he did with Smart). Let's see if Joe could do it in his second year and now that he's getting paid as the top dog of the team.

[ajones9219]

I don't mind having a player like JB. But not at that money. Not at the BBIQ. And not at that role.

Again he's a clear cut top 20 player in the league (at worst) as your #2. What type of role do you expect? And he's a supermax level guy. He just is. All 30 teams would give jaylen that contract if they could

This theory will be tested once he's on that supermax and we're trying to trade him. Or maybe it won't cos Brad likes to have him here for a long, long time.

As for his ideal role, you've been here long enough to read the discussion the past two years. No need to repeat. Thought Ime did the best job of reining him in (as he did with Smart). Let's see if Joe could do it in his second year and now that he's getting paid as the top dog of the team.

Yeah I don't think Brad has any interest trading him. As for role, the only real conversations I've seen around Jaylen outside of just bashing him involve wanting him to be more of a distributor or to attack the basket less which seems completely insane since that one of his elite skills. I've also seen suggestions to him being a lower usage player which is silly as well considering he's our best pure scorer. I get not turning the ball over but that's hardly an issue limited to Jaylen.

Just seems like people on this board nitpick every aspect of Browns game while ignoring that he is regularly our best player for chunks of the year and absolutely was our best player in our finals run

[chrisab123]

In our position, we should be looking at contracts as percentages of the 2nd apron, not the cap. It’s improbably we’ll be a cap space team for a long, long while to where we need to worry about that. It’s all about building a contending team that’s either below or somewhat reasonably over the 2nd apron. And if we do go over then having certain years you can dip back under to save repeater penalties.

It should also be noted that Brown’s 8% raise is off his first year salary. So to use easy numbers, if he made $10M, he gets an $800K raise to $10.8M. Then the next year, the raise is still just $800K, so now $11.6M. It doesn’t compound.

The cap on the other hand, does compound. So if the cap is $100M, next year it’s $110M. And then the following year it’s $121M.

Yup. Been trying to explain this math but it's just "jAyLeN tOo eXpEnsIve" in return

You don't just pay the maximum possible because you can. You don't walk into a dealership and insist that they accept $50,000 for the Fiat. You pay thousands below the MSRP or ideally you walk away and buy a more reputable brand.

No realistic replacement is out there and if they were they would be going to NY LA or Miami, not Boston. Thats why you have to pay him and worry about the pending trade request next year. As long as he performs next year teams will take him.

[ajones9219]

Yup. Been trying to explain this math but it's just "jAyLeN tOo eXpEnsIve" in return

You don't just pay the maximum possible because you can. You don't walk into a dealership and insist that they accept $50,000 for the Fiat. You pay thousands below the MSRP or ideally you walk away and buy a more reputable brand.

No realistic replacement is out there and if they were they would be going to NY LA or Miami, not Boston. Thats why you have to pay him and worry about the pending trade request next year. As long as he performs next year teams will take him.

Gonna ignore your silliness about the "players want to go to NY/LA/Miami thing once again.

Where has there been literally any indication that Brown wants to leave? Literally every report says he likes Boston and wants to stay. I have no idea where this trade request nonsense is coming from

[BK_2020]

You don't just pay the maximum possible because you can. You don't walk into a dealership and insist that they accept $50,000 for the Fiat. You pay thousands below the MSRP or ideally you walk away and buy a more reputable brand.

No realistic replacement is out there and if they were they would be going to NY LA or Miami, not Boston. Thats why you have to pay him and worry about the pending trade request next year. As long as he performs next year teams will take him.

Gonna ignore your silliness about the "players want to go to NY/LA/Miami thing once again.

Where has there been literally any indication that Brown wants to leave? Literally every report says he likes Boston and wants to stay. I have no idea where this trade request nonsense is coming from

He keeps saying Boston is racist and he can't even buy a house there.

[tfribs45]

this Zinger trade gives me Nenad Krstić feels! Hope the Green teamers and the Celtics Brass know what their doing. Bubble gum Joe was getting all the praise from Brad last night smfh. When's that honeymoon going to end?! Lets see how this all plays out!

[Larry_Russell]

You're right that there is a smoothing of 10% but a 10% increase of the cap is significantly higher year over year compared to the 8% increase of the 49 million starting salary Jaylen will make. So if we assume a the 295 contract and 10% yearly increases, by the fifth year, Jaylen will be at 66ish million on a cap of 202 million, or 32.6% of the total. It's really not as damaging as people think.

It is.

The difference is a million or 2. Still against apron.

Not sure how you figure that. As is we are projected WELL under the 2nd apron next year. Unless you're referring to the first apron?

Lol What?


Not including capholds (Pritchard 6 million QO - Kornet 2.1 million) and possible draft pick capholds
1.Tatum - 34.8
2. Kristaps - 29.2
3. Brogdon - 22.2
4. White - 19.5
5. Timelord - 12.4
6. Horford - 9.5
Total - 127.6


7. Add to that Browns extension of ~50 million
177.6 MIllion

8. Add Walsh - 1.8
9. Hauser - 2

181.4 Million


Lux tax this year is 164 and 1st Apron is 172 Million. If the 1st apron increases by 5% next year we are still OVER IT.


If the Lux Tax line increases by 10% we are over it. MEaning we would only have the TPmle and vet mins to finish off roster then we have Tatums supermax kick in the following season.


So wow, we have a little wiggle room under the 2nd apron...big deal...we are over the lux tax and possibly the 1st apron meaning our options are very limited

[rd26]

No realistic replacement is out there and if they were they would be going to NY LA or Miami, not Boston. Thats why you have to pay him and worry about the pending trade request next year. As long as he performs next year teams will take him.

Gonna ignore your silliness about the "players want to go to NY/LA/Miami thing once again.

Where has there been literally any indication that Brown wants to leave? Literally every report says he likes Boston and wants to stay. I have no idea where this trade request nonsense is coming from

He keeps saying Boston is racist and he can't even buy a house there.

Link please

[steefP2]

It is.

The difference is a million or 2. Still against apron.

Not sure how you figure that. As is we are projected WELL under the 2nd apron next year. Unless you're referring to the first apron?

Lol What?


Not including capholds (Pritchard 6 million QO - Kornet 2.1 million) and possible draft pick capholds
1.Tatum - 34.8
2. Kristaps - 29.2
3. Brogdon - 22.2
4. White - 19.5
5. Timelord - 12.4
6. Horford - 9.5
Total - 127.6


7. Add to that Browns extension of ~50 million
177.6 MIllion

8. Add Walsh - 1.8
9. Hauser - 2

181.4 Million


Lux tax this year is 164 and 1st Apron is 172 Million. If the 1st apron increases by 5% next year we are still OVER IT.


If the Lux Tax line increases by 10% we are over it. MEaning we would only have the TPmle and vet mins to finish off roster then we have Tatums supermax kick in the following season.


So wow, we have a little wiggle room under the 2nd apron...big deal...we are over the lux tax and possibly the 1st apron meaning our options are very limited

Fwiw Lux tax next season will probably be around 175 and 2nd apron around 200 mil

[ajones9219]

No realistic replacement is out there and if they were they would be going to NY LA or Miami, not Boston. Thats why you have to pay him and worry about the pending trade request next year. As long as he performs next year teams will take him.

Gonna ignore your silliness about the "players want to go to NY/LA/Miami thing once again.

Where has there been literally any indication that Brown wants to leave? Literally every report says he likes Boston and wants to stay. I have no idea where this trade request nonsense is coming from

He keeps saying Boston is racist and he can't even buy a house there.

This is his most negative statement on Boston and he's 100% correct. This board is a prime example

Other athletes have spoken about the negative way that fans have treated Black athletes while playing in Boston. Have you experienced any of that?

"I have, but I pretty much block it all out. It’s not the whole Celtic fan base, but it is a part of the fan base that exists within the Celtic nation that is problematic. If you have a bad game, they tie it to your personal character.

I definitely think there’s a group or an amount within the Celtic nation that is extremely toxic and does not want to see athletes use their platform, or they just want you to play basketball and entertain and go home. And that’s a problem to me."


Even with that, every shred of reporting says he loves the team and wants to be in Boston long term, so I'd love even one reputable source reporting he wants to leave

[Larry_Russell]

When you want to protect the Genius Brad's vision but then you hear him say things like this:

“I can’t really talk about it but it’s been all good discussion,” Stevens said. “We want Jaylen to be here for a long, long time, and we’ve made that clear. We’re looking forward to all sitting down and we have time here. I probably shouldn’t say anything else, but I feel optimistic.”

Because Brad knows ball. Jaylen is a top 20 player in the league, why would you not want him for a long time? The jaylen hate on this board gets incredibly silly at times

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NOPE.

Get real man, that is an incredibly homer take

Go with that thought to the GB and see just how many not Boston fans agree with that. jesus. lol.

[ajones9219]

When you want to protect the Genius Brad's vision but then you hear him say things like this:

Because Brad knows ball. Jaylen is a top 20 player in the league, why would you not want him for a long time? The jaylen hate on this board gets incredibly silly at times

[/quote

NOPE.

Get real man, that is an incredibly homer take

Go with that thought to the GB and see just how many not Boston fans agree with that. jesus. lol.

Every publication has jaylen between 13-20. This is a national consensus in the NBA media.

CBS: 13
Sportnaut: 14
ESPN:19
The ringer: 22

[Larry_Russell]

Not sure how you figure that. As is we are projected WELL under the 2nd apron next year. Unless you're referring to the first apron?

Lol What?


Not including capholds (Pritchard 6 million QO - Kornet 2.1 million) and possible draft pick capholds
1.Tatum - 34.8
2. Kristaps - 29.2
3. Brogdon - 22.2
4. White - 19.5
5. Timelord - 12.4
6. Horford - 9.5
Total - 127.6


7. Add to that Browns extension of ~50 million
177.6 MIllion

8. Add Walsh - 1.8
9. Hauser - 2

181.4 Million


Lux tax this year is 164 and 1st Apron is 172 Million. If the 1st apron increases by 5% next year we are still OVER IT.


If the Lux Tax line increases by 10% we are over it. MEaning we would only have the TPmle and vet mins to finish off roster then we have Tatums supermax kick in the following season.


So wow, we have a little wiggle room under the 2nd apron...big deal...we are over the lux tax and possibly the 1st apron meaning our options are very limited

Fwiw Lux tax next season will probably be around 175 and 2nd apron around 200 mil

Maybe, assuming a 10% plus jump.

Cannot make decisions today based on that.

And over the 1st apron means much tighter restrictions on flexibility.
.

If Jaylen signs for 40 million. Cool. All for that. 50. Nope.

[ajones9219]

Lol What?


Not including capholds (Pritchard 6 million QO - Kornet 2.1 million) and possible draft pick capholds
1.Tatum - 34.8
2. Kristaps - 29.2
3. Brogdon - 22.2
4. White - 19.5
5. Timelord - 12.4
6. Horford - 9.5
Total - 127.6


7. Add to that Browns extension of ~50 million
177.6 MIllion

8. Add Walsh - 1.8
9. Hauser - 2

181.4 Million


Lux tax this year is 164 and 1st Apron is 172 Million. If the 1st apron increases by 5% next year we are still OVER IT.


If the Lux Tax line increases by 10% we are over it. MEaning we would only have the TPmle and vet mins to finish off roster then we have Tatums supermax kick in the following season.


So wow, we have a little wiggle room under the 2nd apron...big deal...we are over the lux tax and possibly the 1st apron meaning our options are very limited

Fwiw Lux tax next season will probably be around 175 and 2nd apron around 200 mil

Maybe, assuming a 10% plus jump.

Cannot make decisions today based on that.

And over the 1st apron means much tighter restrictions on flexibility.
.

If Jaylen signs for 40 million. Cool. All for that. 50. Nope.

We are going to be over the 1st apron for the foreseeable future. I meant we are well under the second apron. Right now projected around 15 million under

[Fierce1]

Another day, another Jaylen Brown debate.

[Larry_Russell]

Because Brad knows ball. Jaylen is a top 20 player in the league, why would you not want him for a long time? The jaylen hate on this board gets incredibly silly at times

[/quote

NOPE.

Get real man, that is an incredibly homer take

Go with that thought to the GB and see just how many not Boston fans agree with that. jesus. lol.

Every publication has jaylen between 13-20. This is a national consensus in the NBA media.

Lol, nope.

I mean if someone looks exclusivly at RAW stats, sure!

He was top 10 in ppg.

If you look at atvanced stats you will not find him in the top 60.

I find him between the 2. Around 30th.