Colin Cowherd with the harsh reality for American born young players

[BodieB]

Evidently its fun and fashionable to sh*t on the young American(Black) players now

When did young American black players get mentioned? He just said American players. I’m not saying that he isn’t a moron but where die that come from?

Yeah Colin's take is awful but he's not a race baiter.

[dhsilv2]

Colin is a complete moron, the guy makes up **** for clickbait. People bitch about Stephen A at least he makes more logical sense most of the time.

We have seen some great Euro players recently we still have a ton of great American born players in the league.

and smith is an obvious clown, colin trying to be taken seriously.

Colin will have 2 hours of level headed fluff and then he'll get to his 2-3 clickbait loon rants that he has clearly planned out. SAS is just a screaming loon 24/7. He's a cartoon character.

[Shootit]

Can we reset this timeline to where these professional sport trolls don't exist?

[nate33]

There needs to be more nuance in the distinction between who is an American basketball player and who in International. Joel Embiid started playing basketball at age 15 in Cameroon but moved to America at age 16. He played in American high schools and American colleges. Essentially, all of his development took place in America so he can hardly be considered an indictment of the American system of player development. He is effectively an American basketball player.

Even Giannis is debatable. He played 2 years in the Greek league, after which, he was still a pretty horrible player. In his first year in the NBA, he averaged just 6.8 points in 24 minutes a game with a TS% of .518. Nearly all of the basketball development that took him from a raw prospect to his MVP form took place in America.

Guys like Jokic and Luka are clearly "international" players because they learned the game overseas and came over here as fully developed players.

[Curmudgeon]

I do believe that the European "scout team" system is a little better for player development than the AAU system. In Europe, 15 and 16 year olds often practice with more mature players. In the U.S. it's just a peer to peer competition for minutes and shots, which can lead to bad habits.

[patman66]

Evidently its fun and fashionable to sh*t on the young American(Black) players now

Some of it is well deserved.

[patman66]

There needs to be more nuance in the distinction between who is an American basketball player and who in International. Joel Embiid started playing basketball at age 15 in Cameroon but moved to America at age 16. He played in American high schools and American colleges. Essentially, all of his development took place in America so he can hardly be considered an indictment of the American system of player development. He is effectively an American basketball player.

Even Giannis is debatable. He played 2 years in the Greek league, after which, he was still a pretty horrible player. In his first year in the NBA, he averaged just 6.8 points in 24 minutes a game with a TS% of .518. Nearly all of the basketball development that took him from a raw prospect to his MVP form took place in America.

Guys like Jokic and Luka are clearly "international" players because they learned the game overseas and came over here as fully developed players.

It is not just player development, but the values he has. Emblid might have started playing Ball in his teens but played other team sports before that. It is not their development as ball players but their development as team mates and people.

[WargamesX]

What a load of nonsense. This is why I don't watch these types of shows.

[nate33]

There needs to be more nuance in the distinction between who is an American basketball player and who in International. Joel Embiid started playing basketball at age 15 in Cameroon but moved to America at age 16. He played in American high schools and American colleges. Essentially, all of his development took place in America so he can hardly be considered an indictment of the American system of player development. He is effectively an American basketball player.

Even Giannis is debatable. He played 2 years in the Greek league, after which, he was still a pretty horrible player. In his first year in the NBA, he averaged just 6.8 points in 24 minutes a game with a TS% of .518. Nearly all of the basketball development that took him from a raw prospect to his MVP form took place in America.

Guys like Jokic and Luka are clearly "international" players because they learned the game overseas and came over here as fully developed players.

It is not just player development, but the values he has. Emblid might have started playing Ball in his teens but played other team sports before that. It is not their development as ball players but their development as team mates and people.

It's an interesting hypothesis, but I don't think the data supports it.

What I think we are seeing is that there are very few guys on the planet who are 6-11 or taller and have coordination. If you look carefully, you will see that the international representation is much higher among guys 6-11 or taller. Nearly all the top international players are really tall: Jokic, Giannis, Sabonis, Embiid, Markannen, Porzingis.

When you are so far out on the bell curve, it's really just a numbers game. There are only about 500 people in America who are 6-11 or taller. There are at least 10 times as many guys available in other developed or semi-developed parts of the world. You are far more likely to find 7-footers with the coordination and mindset to be professional athletes if you are drawing from a much bigger population pool.

As you get to shorter heights, the bell curve gets much fatter. There are 50,000 guys who are 6-8 in America alone. In a pool that big, there will be plenty of guys with coordination and mindset to be professional athletes. At those heights and below, it's no longer an issue of scarcity. The quality of the developmental system becomes more important. And at heights 6-8 and below, we see that Americans are still very well represented among the league's top players.

[Meeksology]

This “rivalry” between American born players and internationally born players is literally only “a thing” on this message board.

I’ve never seen anyone really care anywhere else.

Yep. And it's getting really annoying as it's bringing out the racists and chauvinists on both sides of the "debate".

Truth. There really is no "rivalry" between American born players and international players. It's a made up thing by fans to spark conversations and debates - which is fine until it reaches the point that you bring up.

[Deshaun Taden]

Ah I see he's moved on from being racist to I guess white supremacy. An improvement I suppose. Maybe not. Whatever.

[Pharmcat]

Ah I see he's moved on from being racist to I guess white supremacy. An improvement I suppose. Maybe not. Whatever.

It’s what sells these days

[Pharmcat]

Evidently its fun and fashionable to sh*t on the young American(Black) players now

When did young American black players get mentioned? He just said American players. I’m not saying that he isn’t a moron but where die that come from?

Yeah Colin's take is awful but he's not a race baiter.

Yes he is , see his take on baseball and Dominican players. That’s why espn canned him

[Trey24]

Europe club build is much better for player development than what AAU has become unfortunately.

[QingJames]

Evidently its fun and fashionable to sh*t on the young American(Black) players now

Yeah, it’s dumb to make it about the players and question their talent level, rather than turning a critical eye to high school prep academies, the NCAA and other pipeline-to-NBA organizations. It’s clear that many young American players are not learning the play the game “the right way” as compared to emerging European talent. This has nothing to do with American players themselves or their raw talent though, just has more to do with **** products like the G League ignite teaching players to be selfish chuckers.

[chilluminati]

Recency bias makes for great clickbait.

[fuller4379]

The only championships won in the century with Euros as the dominate player are 2023 (Denver), 2021 (Milwaukee), and 2011 (Dallas). The other 21 have been with an American as the dominate player.

[SelfishPlayer]

LMAO people used to say these kinds of things back when the Spurs were winning with Duncan. Now they can say it again because of Jokic, Giannis, and Embiid. International basketball still isn't producing elite guards.

[celticfan42487]

“Europeans are hard workers, Americans care about popularity”

Pretty true statement.

Blanket statements like that are almost never true. Plus, this particular statement has a lot of racial undertones which just makes it even less likely to be true (while also making it about 10 times worse).

Also I don't think that's at all the take away from Colin's statements.

It's just that reputations always take awhile to change.

So while the best players at the moment are European, they will still have the stigma and the American youth prospects will be presumed to be better than they are until the general perception catches up with reality.

Then eventually, hopefully that will spur some changes with the horrible AAU system that is the cause of the entire issue and destroying the American talent and resulting in workload management and injuries for American talent as well as zero understanding of basketball from a team function that is handicapping them compared to the best talent they are competing against in the NBA of their international counterparts.

Or more likely, it won't due to stupidity and greed of those running AAU and the best American talent like in Soccer will start to go to the youth academies in Europe from the age of 13 or younger and get paid handsomely for it as well as a reasonable education compared to anything AAU is providing and AAU will die out in about 30 years from now. Those American youth will then also become dual citizens and representing those European countries in international tournaments.

[Nuntius]

Pretty true statement.

Blanket statements like that are almost never true. Plus, this particular statement has a lot of racial undertones which just makes it even less likely to be true (while also making it about 10 times worse).

Also I don't think that's at all the take away from Colin's statements.

It's just that reputations always take awhile to change.

So while the best players at the moment are European, they will still have the stigma and the American youth prospects will be presumed to be better than they are until the general perception catches up with reality.

Then eventually, hopefully that will spur some changes with the horrible AAU system that is the cause of the entire issue and destroying the American talent and resulting in workload management and injuries for American talent as well as zero understanding of basketball from a team function that is handicapping them compared to the best talent they are competing against in the NBA of their international counterparts.

Or more likely, it won't due to stupidity and greed of those running AAU and the best American talent like in Soccer will start to go to the youth academies in Europe from the age of 13 or younger and get paid handsomely for it as well as a reasonable education compared to anything AAU is providing and AAU will die out in about 30 years from now. Those American youth will then also become dual citizens and representing those European countries in international tournaments.

To be fair and 100% transparent, I have no idea if that was the take away from Cowherd's statements. I didn't watch the video. My comment was specifically targetted to JN61 and him agreeing with that take away. The take away itself may not accurately represent Cowherd's stance on this but it definitely represents JN61's stance on this which is why I directed my comment to him by replying to his specific post.