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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1901 » by hookshot199 » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:04 pm

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Correct, the key word is buyout, post Dame trade. Zero interest trading for him at that amount.


But if we unload Tobias's and PJ's $50 mil...


That's not off loading, it's taking different, worse money.


That's a misleading. We're taking worse money with Duncan Robinson, net after the adding and subtracting the remaining year on PJ's and Kevin Love's contracts: $32 million; $16 mil/year for two years.

But you're getting an elite shooter for two years and a backup power forward - who can shoot - for one.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1902 » by LeonJordanJr24 » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:10 pm

I want Lavine here... Harden to clippers but somehow get Lavine here ...
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1903 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:20 pm

Just do the deal man...

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1904 » by hookshot199 » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:28 pm

FireMorey wrote:Latest from Amick:

With Harden, we’ve already seen how messy it can get when his trade request isn’t being granted as quickly as he would like. During those final weeks of his Houston era, when Morey had already left his Rockets front office post for Philadelphia and Harden had decided in November 2021 that it was time to move on, he showed up to training camp late after partying in Atlanta and Las Vegas, causing all kinds of consternation inside the locker room once he arrived. The later stages of his Brooklyn experience had similar vibes, with Morey using Harden’s unhappiness to his advantage in negotiations with the Nets before that February 2022 trade to Philadelphia.

Yet despite all that relevant history, and in spite of the fact that Morey may know Harden, and all of his complexities, better than anyone in the NBA, rival executives with whom I spoke at summer league were universally convinced that the Sixers are now attempting to keep Harden. Discontent be damned.

The sluggish trade talks between the Sixers and Clippers about Harden would seem to support this stance. Morey is known to be asking for the kind of return that — as of Tuesday afternoon — left the strong impression that he had no genuine interest in getting a deal done anytime soon.

Harden’s stance has not changed, a source close to him told The Athletic. He still wants to leave Philadelphia. He’s still upset with how Morey handled his situation heading into possible free agency last month. And even with the recent revelation that Harden attended the same NBPA party as Sixers co-star Joel Embiid and former Sixers owner Michael Rubin in Vegas, he’s still determined to start next season in a Clippers jersey.


This is just an opinion, but...

I believe Harden felt he had an ace-in-the-hole with Houston. Then Houston hired Udoka on April 25, who got to see Harden's collapse in games 5, 6 and 7. We're at May 14. I suspect Morey offered him three years at $120 mil, even $150 mil. Harden didn't agree. Morey told him to find a trade - which he couldn't.

I don't think Morey was out to screw Harden. But ownership, after his collapse, disappearance, however you want to characterize it, wasn't going to commit to four years at near-max money.

The other thing is this: To get him close to $40 mil/year almost had to be by way of a sign-and-trade since free agency would have limited his options.

What do I think is going to happen if Morey can't make a deal? I think Harden will play this season in Philly, work in Nick Nurse's system, be more of a shooter than playmaker, and be offered a two-year, $80 mil deal in the offseason. Maybe add $10 mil for his helping Morey out last July.

Just my opinion.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1905 » by Iverson Armband » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:29 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Just do the deal man...

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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1906 » by Stanford » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:31 pm

What deal? Tyrese Haliburton isn't on the table.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1907 » by Arsenal » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:33 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Just do the deal man...

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Not if we’re getting lowballed. Clippers need to put up or shut up.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1908 » by FireMorey » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:38 pm

Trading him because you're frustrated is an emotional reaction, not a rational one. They need to hold tight on this until a worthy deal comes along. And if it never does, you keep him.

I'm happy that GMs are just now discovering in 2023 that when a player demands to be traded you don't have to trade them. What a revelation!
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Post#1909 » by Revived » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:41 pm

Rockets and Nets fans had warned about Harden.

So much for Harden behaving better here because of Morey being here. Turd still remains a turd.

Fact he won’t even give this team a chance with Doc finally gone is crazy.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1910 » by Revived » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:42 pm

FireMorey wrote:Trading him because you're frustrated is an emotional reaction, not a rational one. They need to hold tight on this until a worthy deal comes along. And if it never does, you keep him.

I'm happy that GMs are just now discovering in 2023 that when a player demands to be traded you don't have to trade them. What a revelation!

Do you think Sixers can get better or equal trade value for Harden compared to what Nets got when trading him here?

Mind he’s now what 2 years older since then too?
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1911 » by FireMorey » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:46 pm

Revived wrote:
FireMorey wrote:Trading him because you're frustrated is an emotional reaction, not a rational one. They need to hold tight on this until a worthy deal comes along. And if it never does, you keep him.

I'm happy that GMs are just now discovering in 2023 that when a player demands to be traded you don't have to trade them. What a revelation!

Do you think Sixers can get better or equal trade value for Harden compared to what Nets got when trading him here?

Mind he’s now what 2 years older since then too?


No, I think his value around the league is pretty much nothing, so I really don't see a worthwhile deal they can make.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1912 » by Stanford » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:47 pm

Revived wrote:Do you think Sixers can get better or equal trade value for Harden compared to what Nets got when trading him here?

Mind he’s now what 2 years older since then too?


Sure. The Nets got two protected picks, one of which landed in the mid 20s, and a non-impact player in Seth Curry. To get that they had to take on one of the worst contracts in the league.

We should aim for that without taking on that much bad money.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1913 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:55 pm

Just feel like it's a wasted season. Harden will do some **** and annoy Jo.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1914 » by eyeatoma » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:56 pm

FireMorey wrote:
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FireMorey wrote:Trading him because you're frustrated is an emotional reaction, not a rational one. They need to hold tight on this until a worthy deal comes along. And if it never does, you keep him.

I'm happy that GMs are just now discovering in 2023 that when a player demands to be traded you don't have to trade them. What a revelation!

Do you think Sixers can get better or equal trade value for Harden compared to what Nets got when trading him here?

Mind he’s now what 2 years older since then too?


No, I think his value around the league is pretty much nothing, so I really don't see a worthwhile deal they can make.
Hence why it's better to trade now instead of letting him expire and lose him for nothing.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1915 » by Stanford » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:57 pm

eyeatoma wrote:Hence why it's better to trade not instead of letting him expire and lose him for nothing.


What is the deal?
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1916 » by Arsenal » Thu Jul 13, 2023 4:58 pm

Yeah “just trade him” means jack. What is the deal you guys are so anxious to take???
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1917 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:00 pm

Harden averages 20 ppg and 10 assists per game. He sill most certainly has value around the league. His age along with the downslope he's on in terms of ability is what is scaring everyone (including us) off. He's fading and if Morey is going to get any value for him, it needs to be soon. I do think the Clippers are a perfect trade partner for us and really the only option as of right now.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1918 » by FireMorey » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:02 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
FireMorey wrote:
Revived wrote:Do you think Sixers can get better or equal trade value for Harden compared to what Nets got when trading him here?

Mind he’s now what 2 years older since then too?


No, I think his value around the league is pretty much nothing, so I really don't see a worthwhile deal they can make.
Hence why it's better to trade not instead of letting him expire and lose him for nothing.


Losing him for nothing has value in that they will get cap room from it.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1919 » by Stanford » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:04 pm

Arsenal wrote:Yeah “just trade him” means jack. What is the deal you guys are so anxious to take???


As far as I can tell it's Marcus Morris, Norm Powell and a first.
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Re: Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3 

Post#1920 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:04 pm

Arsenal wrote:Yeah “just trade him” means jack. What is the deal you guys are so anxious to take???


That's a good point. Trading him just to do it isn't a smart move either. We need some value in return. The Clippers have it to give, but that's about it. I honestly cannot think of any other teams. Obviously there's been some sort of stalling point between us and the Clippers on terms, otherwise this would already be a done deal. My guess is Morey is asking for everything under the sun and LA is tell him to kick rocks.

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