Miami Heat Off-season Thread 9.0 - Dame’s BBW Edition

[Flash4thewin]

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Albert is very knowledgeable with this stuff so that's very interesting that he mentions MIA can give 4 picks if they acquire a 2025 pick. They would have to give the stipulation he mentions in the tweet.

Who would give an unprotected first round draft pick for Herro

That is just straight up trolling at this point. It's the "if" Beyonce gets divorced and dates me, I'll be on the cover of People Magazine etc.

Brooklyn...they have PHX's 2025 unprotected pick.

MIA gets that which then allows them to offer their 2025 pick to POR with "reverse" protections since OKC would get it if it's in the lottery. If it isn't in the lottery then POR would just get the MIA 2026 pick unprotected.

Yea but that doesn't explain why they would trade that pick out of all the other picks they have. From a simple logical stand point, that pick has a huge risk reward ration. We know Herro doesn't have that value, they would just trade one of the many other picks they have. Now if this was related to them moving Simmons then it starts to make more sense. Would Simmons be going here or to Portland?

[MiamiLoyal926]

Some Heat fans absolutely dish massive hate towards Bam. A huge portion of Heat fans just get defensive about the notion because they don't hate him but are highly critical of him (nothing wrong with that) or still have significant reservations about his value/worth matching up to what is purported by his advocates.

Like clock work, every time Bam has a sub-par offensive outing there are fans ready to trade him for middling scorers and fringe big man depth.

I honestly felt, and was part of the crew, that only gave Bam flank in these boards to offset 3ammy’s extreme love fest for him!!

3ammy would make Bam out to be the child of Garnett with Shaq with how godly he would make Bam seem… so I feel like many in here just tried to bring that notion back down a bit to reality by pointing out Bam’s flaws.

The reality, I think without the extreme homerism for Bam, many of us would have been less critical of Bam.

No 3ammy, Bam is still not the god you made him out to be… but he is a damn good player for our team.

This is at least why I think Bam got so much criticism on these boards.

[CrossOver]

Who would give an unprotected first round draft pick for Herro

That is just straight up trolling at this point. It's the "if" Beyonce gets divorced and dates me, I'll be on the cover of People Magazine etc.

Brooklyn...they have PHX's 2025 unprotected pick.

MIA gets that which then allows them to offer their 2025 pick to POR with "reverse" protections since OKC would get it if it's in the lottery. If it isn't in the lottery then POR would just get the MIA 2026 pick unprotected.

Yea but that doesn't explain why they would trade that pick out of all the other picks they have. From a simple logical stand point, that pick has a huge risk reward ration. We know Herro doesn't have that value, they would just trade one of the many other picks they have. Now if this was related to them moving Simmons then it starts to make more sense. Would Simmons be going here or to Portland?

I know you look at things in the most negative prism imaginable so it's hard to explain this stuff to you but of the picks BKN has to trade, the 2025 PHX unprotected first is the least valuable to them. PHX is projected to still have their KD/Booker/Beal core that season so it's unlikely to be a high pick. If BKN could get Tyler Herro for a single first they will absolutely do it and it's precisely why they are interested in being a part of this deal from the reports we've been provided.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Top 3 most hated by the fan base:

1. Bam
2. Herro
3. Lowry/Duncan

Idk, now that I try to list it I’d maybe slide Lowry to 2, Herro to 3 and Duncan at 4

I don't think that's true at all your list is all wrong.

1. was originally Dwayne Deadmon as of recently when we finally got rid of him. Its was voletile how bad Heat Fans trashed this man on twitter and during the season.
2. (#1 now) is Duncan Robinson and has not changed no matter what.
3. Herro the moment his contract numbers became public, he rose to the top of the list colliding right behind Duncan Robinson.
4. Lowry was #2 behind Duncan until Herro got his contract, his veteran savvy and playoff performances in big games kept him from being eviscerated as bad as the other guys, his contract now being an expiring has reduced some of this vitrail on him.
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5. Bam way way done this list.
BAM does not belong on this list at all, because no heat fans hate Bam, I think were confusing hate with expectations. We put too much expectation on this young center, because every year he improves and is a key component to this team, our most valuable asset and Heat fans dreams have always been that he would somehow turn into this scorer or grow a couple inches more. He is an undersized center who is a premier defender at all levels vs all positions, and a good not great offensive player. Most teams around the league #1 guy is usually a premier scorer and defense lags behind. Because its opposite with Bam our fanbase is hardest on him, because they take for granted the other 1000 things he does really well on the court. People don't understand that During Wades career the only time he was ever blessed with a center whom he could pair his majestic playstyle to was only during the Shaq years, Dwade had to work with the likes of turiaf, Joel stone hands Anthony, Jamal Magloire, Birdman Anderson, Hassan Whiteside. Had he had the privilage of playing alongside somebody like Bam like Jimmy currently does, who knows how those Dwade teams without Lebron/Bosh would have looked like. Nobody here can tell me that Jimmy is more skilled than Dwade or the type of scorer Dwade was.

That’s MASSIVE cap brother Lmao, hate may be a strong word but Bam is 100000000% the most critiqued and hated on player on the team. There’s legit posters who don’t post if he has a good game it’s the offseason. Dude could average 30 over a 20 games span and we won’t hear a thing but when he scores 10 on 3-13 shooting on that 21st game they’ll be coming out the woodworks claiming he’s Joel Anthony or Clint Capela. That can’t be disputed.

I’ll speak for myself… any criticism I threw at Bam was often fueled to offset your extreme homerism and godly worship of Bam. These boards thirsted for balance, and thus a few of us tried to balance your inflated analysis of Bam with a deflated perspective. The truth ultimately lived closer to the middle of both perspectives being shared in here.

[MiamiLoyal926]

I don't think that's true at all your list is all wrong.

1. was originally Dwayne Deadmon as of recently when we finally got rid of him. Its was voletile how bad Heat Fans trashed this man on twitter and during the season.
2. (#1 now) is Duncan Robinson and has not changed no matter what.
3. Herro the moment his contract numbers became public, he rose to the top of the list colliding right behind Duncan Robinson.
4. Lowry was #2 behind Duncan until Herro got his contract, his veteran savvy and playoff performances in big games kept him from being eviscerated as bad as the other guys, his contract now being an expiring has reduced some of this vitrail on him.
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5. Bam way way done this list.
BAM does not belong on this list at all, because no heat fans hate Bam, I think were confusing hate with expectations. We put too much expectation on this young center, because every year he improves and is a key component to this team, our most valuable asset and Heat fans dreams have always been that he would somehow turn into this scorer or grow a couple inches more. He is an undersized center who is a premier defender at all levels vs all positions, and a good not great offensive player. Most teams around the league #1 guy is usually a premier scorer and defense lags behind. Because its opposite with Bam our fanbase is hardest on him, because they take for granted the other 1000 things he does really well on the court. People don't understand that During Wades career the only time he was ever blessed with a center whom he could pair his majestic playstyle to was only during the Shaq years, Dwade had to work with the likes of turiaf, Joel stone hands Anthony, Jamal Magloire, Birdman Anderson, Hassan Whiteside. Had he had the privilage of playing alongside somebody like Bam like Jimmy currently does, who knows how those Dwade teams without Lebron/Bosh would have looked like. Nobody here can tell me that Jimmy is more skilled than Dwade or the type of scorer Dwade was.

That’s MASSIVE cap brother Lmao, hate may be a strong word but Bam is 100000000% the most critiqued and hated on player on the team. There’s legit posters who don’t post if he has a good game it’s the offseason. Dude could average 30 over a 20 games span and we won’t hear a thing but when he scores 10 on 3-13 shooting on that 21st game they’ll be coming out the woodworks claiming he’s Joel Anthony or Clint Capela. That can’t be disputed.

Some posters just trash Bam because of you.

This. Pretty much the sentiment I shared my last post.

[MiamiLoyal926]

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This is interesting to me, while many will pass by this tweet and think none of it.

Maybe I look to deep into things, it could be something or it could be nothing "Insert raised finger Gif".
- Miami is currently on 12 man roster cap holds.
- They have left off from guaranteeing Heismith contract up to this point, incase a multi team deal arises, where they need to take on another player and needed the roster spot if this occurred and that player was another wing.
- With 2 more days remaining, until his deal needed to be guarantied there was no rush to do this today.
- Woj was given the information directly, which means he is tied to this trail as the main point of contact.
- Heismith is now trade eligible to can be put in a deal.
- Last year three specific teams were mentioned to be interested in Heismith services at the trade deadline per Ira Winderman, LA Clippers, Utah Jazz & Portland Trailblazers.
- All three of the above teams have been rumored to be involved in the Lillard 3/4 four team mashup trade scenerious.
- If a 3&D wing player of choice to be sent out between Caleb Martin & Heismith were negotiated by Miami to match salaries, Heismith would be the player of choice to go out in a trade.
- There are rumors of LA Clippers & Philly asking in on the Portland Miami multi team trade to help move dollars around and help LA get their hands on James Harden, while simultaneously helping Portland get another draft asset and Miami absorb another player to fill out its roster.
- Maybe I am reading too much into this, but its strange to guarantee his deal 2 days before it was necessary losing out on flexibility.
- Are the chefs in the kitchen cooking something up for a deal that is about to get blasted by WOJ, perhaps.
- Utah is also rumored to be all in on Tyler Herro, and whos to say adding Heismith is not an additional sweetner to get extra compensation, even if its 2nd Round picks.

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1) Get Dame
2) Keep one of Martin or Highsmith
3) Keep one(x) both of Jovic or Jaquez

Fixed!

Jkjk… while that is my deal… I would back up the FO if they settle with your deal Greg… anything more and we went from throwing Portland a bone to a big overpay.

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We have no idea how many very good players they lost because of this strategy, the only recent one we know of was Lowry at the trade deadline which ended up costing Miami their rookie 1st round pick and having to pick up Dragic's team option to trade and having to outbid New Orleans for Lowry. Had they made the trade at the deadline, they would have had him 1/2 a year more and came up with an extension that wasn't as much or didn't go 3 years before he hit the open market in FA. Miami possibly could have moved Lowry this last season as an expiring contract.

It's a great strategy PR wise, you only win trades, but you don't always have to win trades to make your team better, especially when trying to win a championship. Who knows, maybe not giving in and other owners knowing this has helped pushed some trades through, I'm just saying there is a possible downside to low bidding.

[Rapaz]

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Y’all keep holding those “Ls.”

The only “L” I’m holding is Lillard.

#HODLillard

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Herro is worth 2 1sts or 1 1st and a massive expiring depending on Portlands preference, hes the 2nd most hated on player on our team by our fans but he has some value at his age for a young team who needs a SG.

With how hit or miss 1st round picks can often be… Herro is definitely worth more then a FRP. He is already a proven scorer, seasoned young guard, with league recognition(6MOY).

He is worth a FRP back (at least) because he was and has played like a lottery FRP. He is then worth a second FRP because we have invested and developed him into a successful guard in the league, is still young, and is a for sure talent for win now scenarios on a younger timeline than us. Example: Hornets, Nets, and even Atlanta. Teams with young enough pieces to have the patience to groom them together.

Any notion of getting only a FRP or less is ludicrous! So waiting out the trade May out a team like the Nets in a position of more desperation to get a deal done.

I agree

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Don’t be mad at me because of Herros weenie, that just doesn’t make sense.

No one hates you for trolling herro but anyone can read last season and read your herro hating cmon son don't try to lie

-SHULA

He’s pretty overrated by the fan base and he’s a douche but I don’t hate the dude, he’s had some big moments with us here and there

[Kobewade11]

who are all these affordable FAs coming here for the vet minimum that we missed out on?

[Rapaz]

In Miami, meanwhile, Heat officials who so badly want to land Lillard can certainly relate to the stagnant state of affairs. But the Heat’s dilemma is different than that of the Clippers, who could roll the ball out with this roster next season and still feel reasonably good about their road ahead. The Heat already said goodbye to Gabe Vincent (the Lakers) and Max Strus (Cleveland) in free agency after their Finals run, meaning the idea of losing key contributors like Caleb Martin, or young talents like Nikola Jović and Jaime Jaquez Jr., would only further limit their title-contending prospects.

That’s where the slow pace of the Heat-Blazers talks has made it even harder to reach a deal point. Miami has already missed out on so many affordable free agents who might have come its way had the Lillard addition already been made — like Taurean Prince, for example, before he went to the Lakers. In light of that, there’s even greater internal interest in retaining as many role players as possible. As has been widely reported, a Heat deal would likely include Tyler Herro (who would likely go to a third team) and Duncan Robinson.

Yet unlike Harden, Lillard has never been in this sort of sensitive situation before. He has remained publicly quiet to this point, but that could always change as training camp nears and he grows more restless.

Cronin was known to be spending summer league getting a fuller understanding of the market for Lillard, including among teams that might make a play for him despite his well-known Miami wishes. But the pressure will grow in the coming months, when the spotlight surrounding Lillard and Harden brightens yet again and their impatience inevitably grows along the way.

Oh, the songs they might sing if these superstar stalemates continue.

https://theathletic.com/4687899/2023/07/13/damian-lillard-james-harden-trade-rumors-summer-league-news/

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Some Heat fans absolutely dish massive hate towards Bam. A huge portion of Heat fans just get defensive about the notion because they don't hate him but are highly critical of him (nothing wrong with that) or still have significant reservations about his value/worth matching up to what is purported by his advocates.

Like clock work, every time Bam has a sub-par offensive outing there are fans ready to trade him for middling scorers and fringe big man depth.

I honestly felt, and was part of the crew, that only gave Bam flank in these boards to offset 3ammy’s extreme love fest for him!!

3ammy would make Bam out to be the child of Garnett with Shaq with how godly he would make Bam seem… so I feel like many in here just tried to bring that notion back down a bit to reality by pointing out Bam’s flaws.

The reality, I think without the extreme homerism for Bam, many of us would have been less critical of Bam.

No 3ammy, Bam is still not the god you made him out to be… but he is a damn good player for our team.

This is at least why I think Bam got so much criticism on these boards.

If you all let me effect your opinion that much you’re pretty weak minded and can think for yourself tbh. I’ve never claimed Bam is a top 10 player although he has that potential. He’s been better for us than Bosh was and he’s improved every season if his career. I wouldn’t have started defending it so much if the takes I was seeing weren’t so outlandish. He’s top 20 and improving.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dudes were calling Bam trash and Joel Anthony/Clint Capela 2.0 before I got here, they got called on their terrible takes and got emotional. That’s really what it comes down to

[MiamiLoyal926]

Some Heat fans absolutely dish massive hate towards Bam. A huge portion of Heat fans just get defensive about the notion because they don't hate him but are highly critical of him (nothing wrong with that) or still have significant reservations about his value/worth matching up to what is purported by his advocates.

Like clock work, every time Bam has a sub-par offensive outing there are fans ready to trade him for middling scorers and fringe big man depth.

I honestly felt, and was part of the crew, that only gave Bam flank in these boards to offset 3ammy’s extreme love fest for him!!

3ammy would make Bam out to be the child of Garnett with Shaq with how godly he would make Bam seem… so I feel like many in here just tried to bring that notion back down a bit to reality by pointing out Bam’s flaws.

The reality, I think without the extreme homerism for Bam, many of us would have been less critical of Bam.

No 3ammy, Bam is still not the god you made him out to be… but he is a damn good player for our team.

This is at least why I think Bam got so much criticism on these boards.

If you all let me effect your opinion that much you’re pretty weak minded and can think for yourself tbh. I’ve never claimed Bam is a top 10 player although he has that potential. He’s been better for us than Bosh was and he’s improved every season if his career. I wouldn’t have started defending it so much if the takes I was seeing weren’t so outlandish. He’s top 20 and improving.

These are the type statements that get you in trouble in here… you turn a difference of opinion into outlandish personal attacks without a base. Its your MO.

Bam still has not proven to be the godly player you made him out to be… but played above the level many of us were asking him to play. Again… his reality is in the middle… rather than accepting that, you continue to attack those who oppose your opinion. Not sure what makes for a weak minded response… but responding with facts and confidence is not it. Perhaps personal attacks is?

[greg4012]

In Miami, meanwhile, Heat officials who so badly want to land Lillard can certainly relate to the stagnant state of affairs. But the Heat’s dilemma is different than that of the Clippers, who could roll the ball out with this roster next season and still feel reasonably good about their road ahead. The Heat already said goodbye to Gabe Vincent (the Lakers) and Max Strus (Cleveland) in free agency after their Finals run, meaning the idea of losing key contributors like Caleb Martin, or young talents like Nikola Jović and Jaime Jaquez Jr., would only further limit their title-contending prospects.

That’s where the slow pace of the Heat-Blazers talks has made it even harder to reach a deal point. Miami has already missed out on so many affordable free agents who might have come its way had the Lillard addition already been made — like Taurean Prince, for example, before he went to the Lakers. In light of that, there’s even greater internal interest in retaining as many role players as possible. As has been widely reported, a Heat deal would likely include Tyler Herro (who would likely go to a third team) and Duncan Robinson.

Yet unlike Harden, Lillard has never been in this sort of sensitive situation before. He has remained publicly quiet to this point, but that could always change as training camp nears and he grows more restless.

Cronin was known to be spending summer league getting a fuller understanding of the market for Lillard, including among teams that might make a play for him despite his well-known Miami wishes. But the pressure will grow in the coming months, when the spotlight surrounding Lillard and Harden brightens yet again and their impatience inevitably grows along the way.

Oh, the songs they might sing if these superstar stalemates continue.

https://theathletic.com/4687899/2023/07/13/damian-lillard-james-harden-trade-rumors-summer-league-news/

Funny that the team that was just in the finals this past season, making it 2 finals appearances in the past 4 seasons and 3 ECFs appearances in that span is painted by the media as the team facing a dilemma just bc they lost Vincent and Strus. In that same timespan the Clippers have made it to the Finals ZERO times, the WCF once, and missed the playoffs entirely once.

Do people still not understand what the core of Jimmy and Bam with Spo as a coach is capable of or do people just want to ignore it?

[IceColdCubano]

In Miami, meanwhile, Heat officials who so badly want to land Lillard can certainly relate to the stagnant state of affairs. But the Heat’s dilemma is different than that of the Clippers, who could roll the ball out with this roster next season and still feel reasonably good about their road ahead. The Heat already said goodbye to Gabe Vincent (the Lakers) and Max Strus (Cleveland) in free agency after their Finals run, meaning the idea of losing key contributors like Caleb Martin, or young talents like Nikola Jović and Jaime Jaquez Jr., would only further limit their title-contending prospects.

That’s where the slow pace of the Heat-Blazers talks has made it even harder to reach a deal point. Miami has already missed out on so many affordable free agents who might have come its way had the Lillard addition already been made — like Taurean Prince, for example, before he went to the Lakers. In light of that, there’s even greater internal interest in retaining as many role players as possible. As has been widely reported, a Heat deal would likely include Tyler Herro (who would likely go to a third team) and Duncan Robinson.

Yet unlike Harden, Lillard has never been in this sort of sensitive situation before. He has remained publicly quiet to this point, but that could always change as training camp nears and he grows more restless.

Cronin was known to be spending summer league getting a fuller understanding of the market for Lillard, including among teams that might make a play for him despite his well-known Miami wishes. But the pressure will grow in the coming months, when the spotlight surrounding Lillard and Harden brightens yet again and their impatience inevitably grows along the way.

Oh, the songs they might sing if these superstar stalemates continue.

https://theathletic.com/4687899/2023/07/13/damian-lillard-james-harden-trade-rumors-summer-league-news/

Funny that the team that was just in the finals this past season, making it 2 finals appearances in the past 4 seasons and 3 ECFs appearances in that span is painted by the media as the team facing a dilemma just bc they lost Vincent and Strus. In that same timespan the Clippers have made it to the Finals ZERO times, the WCF once, and missed the playoffs entirely once.

Do people still not understand what the core of Jimmy and Bam with Spo as a coach is capable of or do people just want to ignore it?

Remember children, Dilemas aren't built on a foundation of data its actually formulated by the fart giver and the wind direction finally whomever catches the smell decides the flavor.

[greg4012]

Dudes were calling Bam trash and Joel Anthony/Clint Capela 2.0 before I got here, they got called on their terrible takes and got emotional. That’s really what it comes down to

To be fair, you haven't stopped them from continuing to do so lol. I do think it's silly that your posting is the excuse they give to ramp up Bam hate. That's kinda sad imo

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I honestly felt, and was part of the crew, that only gave Bam flank in these boards to offset 3ammy’s extreme love fest for him!!

3ammy would make Bam out to be the child of Garnett with Shaq with how godly he would make Bam seem… so I feel like many in here just tried to bring that notion back down a bit to reality by pointing out Bam’s flaws.

The reality, I think without the extreme homerism for Bam, many of us would have been less critical of Bam.

No 3ammy, Bam is still not the god you made him out to be… but he is a damn good player for our team.

This is at least why I think Bam got so much criticism on these boards.

If you all let me effect your opinion that much you’re pretty weak minded and can think for yourself tbh. I’ve never claimed Bam is a top 10 player although he has that potential. He’s been better for us than Bosh was and he’s improved every season if his career. I wouldn’t have started defending it so much if the takes I was seeing weren’t so outlandish. He’s top 20 and improving.

These are the type statements that get you in trouble in here… you turn a difference of opinion into outlandish personal attacks without a base. Its your MO.

Bam still has not proven to be the godly player you made him out to be… but played above the level many of us were asking him to play. Again… his reality is in the middle… rather than accepting that, you continue to attack those who oppose your opinion. Not sure what makes for a weak minded response… but responding with facts and confidence is not it. Perhaps personal attacks is?

In trouble? With who? With what?

I’m just saying in general, if someone’s going to be that influenced by what I say they’re weak minded. It is what it is.

Let me hear how godly I say Bam is. He’s top 20, he’s the best defender in the world, he’s one of the best playmaking bigs, hes the 3rd best center in the league, he’s expanded his scoring game every season of his career and will likely continue to do so, he’s the engine of this team of both ends of the court.

That’s how I view him; which one of those takes are just completely outlandish to where I’m pretending he’s a god?

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Dudes were calling Bam trash and Joel Anthony/Clint Capela 2.0 before I got here, they got called on their terrible takes and got emotional. That’s really what it comes down to

To be fair, you haven't stopped them from continuing to do so lol. I do think it's silly that your posting is the excuse they give to ramp up Bam hate. That's kinda sad imo

I have fun calling them on it tbh, spices them up and gets things fun on here. Some of the takes are just so terrible you have to chime in and say something lol, I know you know what I’m talking about too.

That being said the hate here isn’t near as bad as Twitter and there is some WILD takes on there that these can’t even hold a candle too. Those guys get shut down pretty quick though and I’m just on Twitter for the news/memes.