Sixers Offseason Thread Part 3

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1921 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:06 pm

Stanford wrote:
Arsenal wrote:Yeah “just trade him” means jack. What is the deal you guys are so anxious to take???

As far as I can tell it's Marcus Morris, Norm Powell and a first.

Yo hold up...They better throw in Bones Hyland too.

eyeatoma · Post #1922 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:06 pm

Stanford wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Hence why it's better to trade not instead of letting him expire and lose him for nothing.

What is the deal?

Clippers trash and picks, better than nothing.

LeonJordanJr24 · Post #1923 » by **LeonJordanJr24** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:06 pm

Don't hold on to him hoping for some value just trade him and move on. We had him in two playoff years and didn't achieve our goals. It's time to move on ..

eyeatoma · Post #1924 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:07 pm

Arsenal wrote:Yeah “just trade him” means jack. What is the deal you guys are so anxious to take???

Some value so we don't sit empty handed. His value is so low across the league.

ExplosionsInDaSky · Post #1925 » by **ExplosionsInDaSky** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:07 pm

Morey trying to create a bidding war for Harden is laughable. Who else even wants him besides LA? Name one team, one legitimate destination other than LA where this can get done.

Post #1926 » by **Stanford** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:07 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
Stanford wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Hence why it's better to trade not instead of letting him expire and lose him for nothing.

What is the deal?
Clippers trash and picks, better than nothing.

Where are you getting picks, plural, from?

ProcessDoctor · Post #1927 » by **ProcessDoctor** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:07 pm

Harden going through the same ego **** Iverson, Melo, and now CP3 have gone through. You're not the 28-year-old MVP anymore man.

eyeatoma · Post #1928 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:08 pm

FireMorey wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
FireMorey wrote:
No, I think his value around the league is pretty much nothing, so I really don't see a worthwhile deal they can make.
Hence why it's better to trade not instead of letting him expire and lose him for nothing.

Losing him for nothing has value in that they will get cap room from it.

Apart from role players the cap room won't help as we all know. Best we can get us over pay for a star imposter.

eyeatoma · Post #1929 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:08 pm

Stanford wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:
Stanford wrote:
What is the deal?
Clippers trash and picks, better than nothing.

Where are you getting picks, plural, from?

Thought I read that before, could be wrong.

Post #1930 » by **Stanford** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:09 pm

ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Morey trying to create a bidding war for Harden is laughable. Who else even wants him besides LA? Name one team, one legitimate destination other than LA where this can get done.

There's no desperation in the off-season. He'll have more suitors as games start to be played. Hence, trading him for Norm Powell and a pick now is foolish.

mjkvol · Post #1931 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:11 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
76ciology wrote:

Read on Twitter

If Miami gets that deal, only giving up one of the kids and ridding themselves of Lowry and the Herro contract, it could be a heist if Lillard can give them a couple of good years.

I had hoped that Morey standing up to Simmons might signal a change in this 'player empowerment' bullschiit, but it appears the Blazers will cave to Lillard. Damn shame.

Idk man that source looks fake AF.

You guys know these sources better than me. There's only one that I implicitly trust.

FireMorey · Post #1932 » by **FireMorey** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:11 pm

eyeatoma wrote:
FireMorey wrote:
eyeatoma wrote:Hence why it's better to trade not instead of letting him expire and lose him for nothing.

Losing him for nothing has value in that they will get cap room from it.
Apart from role players the cap room won't help as we all know. Best we can get us over pay for a star imposter.

It gives the Sixers options. I believe Kawhi can opt out next season, there will be options. Even if the Sixers can't use the cap room to sign a star, they could use it to take on someone's bad contract and get picks back in return. Allowing them to finally have the picks to get back into the trade market for star players, which they can't do right now because they can't trade first rounders until 2029.

Or they could use the money to facilitate other multi team deals to get back assets in return. Cap room gives the Sixers options, and right now they have next to no options. That in itself has value. They'd finally have flexibility to maneuver and do things.

Black Mage · Post #1933 » by **Black Mage** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:13 pm

hookshot199 wrote:
FireMorey wrote:Latest from Amick:

With Harden, we’ve already seen how messy it can get when his trade request isn’t being granted as quickly as he would like. During those final weeks of his Houston era, when Morey had already left his Rockets front office post for Philadelphia and Harden had decided in November 2021 that it was time to move on, he showed up to training camp late after partying in Atlanta and Las Vegas, causing all kinds of consternation inside the locker room once he arrived. The later stages of his Brooklyn experience had similar vibes, with Morey using Harden’s unhappiness to his advantage in negotiations with the Nets before that February 2022 trade to Philadelphia.

Yet despite all that relevant history, and in spite of the fact that Morey may know Harden, and all of his complexities, better than anyone in the NBA, rival executives with whom I spoke at summer league were universally convinced that the Sixers are now attempting to keep Harden. Discontent be damned.

The sluggish trade talks between the Sixers and Clippers about Harden would seem to support this stance. Morey is known to be asking for the kind of return that — as of Tuesday afternoon — left the strong impression that he had no genuine interest in getting a deal done anytime soon.

Harden’s stance has not changed, a source close to him told The Athletic. He still wants to leave Philadelphia. He’s still upset with how Morey handled his situation heading into possible free agency last month. And even with the recent revelation that Harden attended the same NBPA party as Sixers co-star Joel Embiid and former Sixers owner Michael Rubin in Vegas, he’s still determined to start next season in a Clippers jersey.

This is just an opinion, but...

I believe Harden felt he had an ace-in-the-hole with Houston. Then Houston hired Udoka on April 25, who got to see Harden's collapse in games 5, 6 and 7. We're at May 14. I suspect Morey offered him three years at $120 mil, even $150 mil. Harden didn't agree. Morey told him to find a trade - which he couldn't.

I don't think Morey was out to screw Harden. But ownership, after his collapse, disappearance, however you want to characterize it, wasn't going to commit to four years at near-max money.

The other thing is this: To get him close to $40 mil/year almost had to be by way of a sign-and-trade since free agency would have limited his options.

What do I think is going to happen if Morey can't make a deal? I think Harden will play this season in Philly, work in Nick Nurse's system, be more of a shooter than playmaker, and be offered a two-year, $80 mil deal in the offseason. Maybe add $10 mil for his helping Morey out last July.

Just my opinion.

It's much simpler than that. Tillman had a grudge on Harden and Morey. Tillman played Harden which also damaged the relationship with Morey. Really all there is to it.

mjkvol · Post #1934 » by **mjkvol** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:15 pm

Stanford wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Morey trying to create a bidding war for Harden is laughable. Who else even wants him besides LA? Name one team, one legitimate destination other than LA where this can get done.

There's no desperation in the off-season. He'll have more suitors as games start to be played. Hence, trading him for Norm Powell and a pick now is foolish.

Exactly. Same goes for Harris. Everyone acts like there's some sort of time limit on this stuff, but at the deadline the market is likely to be much different.

eyeatoma · Post #1935 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:15 pm

Stanford wrote:
ExplosionsInDaSky wrote:Morey trying to create a bidding war for Harden is laughable. Who else even wants him besides LA? Name one team, one legitimate destination other than LA where this can get done.

There's no desperation in the off-season. He'll have more suitors as games start to be played. Hence, trading him for Norm Powell and a pick now is foolish.

We get a deal done now and we can still make some free agency moves. Otherwise another trash off-season.

Post #1936 » by **Stanford** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:17 pm

You think Harden trade limbo is preventing that pivotal Oubre signing?

FireMorey · Post #1937 » by **FireMorey** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:21 pm

I got news for ya, if they trade him for Powell and Morris, next season is lost anyway. Whether they go out and sign more free agents or not. They aren't winning anything next season with a Clippers trade. Maybe keeping Harden will lead to a pause year, but trading with the Clippers definitely leads to a pause year.

Iverson Armband · Post #1938 » by **Iverson Armband** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:27 pm

FireMorey wrote:I got news for ya, if they trade him for Powell and Morris, next season is lost anyway. Whether they go out and sign more free agents or not. They aren't winning anything next season with a Clippers trade. Maybe keeping Harden will lead to a pause year, but trading with the Clippers definitely leads to a pause year.

A team with a “motivated” Harden is winning ****. You think a team fielding a disgruntled Harden is doing any better than that? Got news for ya..

eyeatoma · Post #1939 » by **eyeatoma** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:30 pm

Stanford wrote:You think Harden trade limbo is preventing that pivotal Oubre signing?

Lol, definitely

NYSixersFan · Post #1940 » by **NYSixersFan** » Thu Jul 13, 2023 5:31 pm

There are several problems here....

1) I don't think anyone but the Clippers want Harden
2) Holding onto Harden into the season might lower his value even more once he starts acting up

I don't love the Clippers deal, but if we can get some combo of expiring contracts, picks and make them take Tucker, then I would do it now.