The Anthony Black Thread

[tiderulz]

Crazy that almost nobody can grasp that this is Summer League. Not only is it his first few games, our team is definitely at the bottom talent wise. He is going to look SO MUCH BETTER with PB, Franz, Ingles, WCJ, etc..

I think most are grasping that.

Many here didn’t just start following basketball yesterday.

It’s what we got right now so we’re talking about it which is good.

is the basket the same height in SL? the 3 pt line the same distance? i could care less about his assist numbers, he will have better passing teammates with the regular team. but the height and distance are the same in SL and he still is a bad shooter. seems to be our MO for our scouting department

[fendilim]

Tbh, i’m shocked he getting this many assists with the litter of talent we fielded as him and jett’s teammates.

[89Magicfan]

This SL coaching sucks. Hopefully with Mosley it will be different.

The shot is bad. It can be worked on. Maybe to at least a point he keeps the defense honest with spacing but If Black is not a lead guard who can average 10+ assists making everyone better, creating offense in a dynamic way, it was a botched pick.

How is it still this bad at 19? I don’t know what good or great form is but I know what AB is doing isn’t even in the same solar system.

When I first picked up a basketball I knew I wasn’t going to be 6’7-6’10 so I shot the crap out of the ball everyday, worked on dribbling and handling and really worked on getting teammates involved.

Some pick up a ball, are 6’5 6’7 in high school and go straight to the paint over everyone.

The form is bad but he wouldn’t be the first player to develop a respectable shot percentage wise with ugly form.

[89Magicfan]

Tbh, i’m shocked he getting this many assists with the litter of talent we fielded as him and jett’s teammates.

Fair point but his handles are lil sus too.

[The-Stallion70]

I am disappointed in watching Black look like Elfrid 2.0. We had the 6th and 11th picks and look to get only a solid rotation player out of it with Jett. I don't see how we keep amassing point guards who can't shoot.

[JF5]

His ball-handling is a little suspect right now for a true PG. He has the size to where you could play him at the 2/3 but if he can't offer any shooting off-the-ball then it won't work well. His defense looks like it will be great and he has all the tools but he definitely looks like he has a lot of development to do on the offensive end.

Magic fans and praying their young guard will learn how to shoot, name a better combo

I think he fits well with Cole Anthony (he'll most likely be brought back IMO) for the next few seasons coming off the bench. He'd be able to organize the bench unit while Cole would be able to focus on scoring. That's where he makes the most sense right now because he isn't the best ball handler in his current iteration and would look ALOT more effective there.

I honestly think the FO is trying to see who wins this PG battle between Suggs and Fultz. Whoever wins that will probably be the PG for the foreseeable future. I don't think they see Black in that light. To me he's that highly intelligent and diverse/versatile connector you need on a winning team who comes off the bench.

Also, I believe it's a move where it depresses the value of all your guards in order to resign the ones you want back to deals that are team friendly going forward.

[JF5]

Black cant shoot/isn't a shooter. He doesn't even have a mid range game like what Fultz has at this stage of his career.

When I watch him he's so behind the 8 ball when it comes to his shot creation/iso ball. I don't think he'll ever be that type of player. He'll most likely be like Rajon Rondo/Jason Kidd/Andre Iguodala/Lonzo Ball/Bruce Brown type player where his all-around game versatility will make him really good.

All he has to do is is work on open 3 point shots in order to enhance himself and make himself more valuable on that end of the court.

Comparing him to Haliburton or Alexander (who had much more advanced offensive when they came to the league is a reach). Seriously he can't even break down defenders. How is he going to end up being like those guys? That's strange to me.

We'll just have to wait and see how much he improves. He's going to make a huge jump this season based on his age. His floaters and mid range looked better than Suggs when he came into the league, and he was 7 months older. I think Black has a nice touch.

If Black was born two weeks later, he would've been considered 19 the whole season.





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Suggs had a more advanced offensive game coming into the league as he was being compared to guys like Kyle Lowry and Jrue Holiday.

Even when you see hightlights in his first Summer League Suggs was knocking down shots all over the court. Pull up Long 3s, Off Dribble midrange shots, and tough finishes at the bucket. Suggs looked fantastic offensively and was getting real hype until he started playing in NBA games where he looked abysmal.

Black has been getting comparisons to Jason Kidd and Lonzo Ball. And has not had games at least in the Summer league to deviate from those comparisons. Players historically don't drastically deviate from their style of plays or trajectories like that. That's why it's far fetched to believe he'd turn into those guys somehow when he can't even break down his defender in iso situations or not even shoot the ball well at any range outside of 5 feet.

You're looking for an overhauling development which is absolutely rare and difficult to produce. Especially when said player has none of those base skillets even present in his game. It's always possible but highly unlikely.

[AaronB]

Wow, so there is no room on the Magic for a 5-time NBA champion, 2-time defensive POY, 7-time all-defense first-team, and 7-time rebounding champion.

[basketballRob]

Black cant shoot/isn't a shooter. He doesn't even have a mid range game like what Fultz has at this stage of his career.

When I watch him he's so behind the 8 ball when it comes to his shot creation/iso ball. I don't think he'll ever be that type of player. He'll most likely be like Rajon Rondo/Jason Kidd/Andre Iguodala/Lonzo Ball/Bruce Brown type player where his all-around game versatility will make him really good.

All he has to do is is work on open 3 point shots in order to enhance himself and make himself more valuable on that end of the court.

Comparing him to Haliburton or Alexander (who had much more advanced offensive when they came to the league is a reach). Seriously he can't even break down defenders. How is he going to end up being like those guys? That's strange to me.

We'll just have to wait and see how much he improves. He's going to make a huge jump this season based on his age. His floaters and mid range looked better than Suggs when he came into the league, and he was 7 months older. I think Black has a nice touch.

If Black was born two weeks later, he would've been considered 19 the whole season.





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Suggs had a more advanced offensive game coming into the league as he was being compared to guys like Kyle Lowry and Jrue Holiday.

Even when you see hightlights in his first Summer League Suggs was knocking down shots all over the court. Pull up Long 3s, Off Dribble midrange shots, and tough finishes at the bucket. Suggs looked fantastic offensively and was getting real hype until he started playing in NBA games where he looked abysmal.

Black has been getting comparisons to Jason Kidd and Lonzo Ball. And has not had games at least in the Summer league to deviate from those comparisons. Players historically don't drastically deviate from their style of plays or trajectories like that. That's why it's far fetched to believe he'd turn into those guys somehow when he can't even break down his defender in iso situations or not even shoot the ball well at any range outside of 5 feet.

You're looking for an overhauling development which is absolutely rare and difficult to produce. Especially when said player has none of those base skillets even present in his game. It's always possible but highly unlikely.

Lonzo shot 36/30/45 his rookie season, and he was a little older than Black.

Teams were packing the paint, so there was no point in Black driving. He got stripped like 3 times, and we're blowing it out of proportion. That was a handsy NY team.

Suggs made a couple of outside shots in the summer league, but he still doesn't have the touch that Black has.

We'll just have to give it time and see. At Black's age, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make a big impact this season, but he has all the tools to be very good.




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[JF5]

We'll just have to wait and see how much he improves. He's going to make a huge jump this season based on his age. His floaters and mid range looked better than Suggs when he came into the league, and he was 7 months older. I think Black has a nice touch.

If Black was born two weeks later, he would've been considered 19 the whole season.





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Suggs had a more advanced offensive game coming into the league as he was being compared to guys like Kyle Lowry and Jrue Holiday.

Even when you see hightlights in his first Summer League Suggs was knocking down shots all over the court. Pull up Long 3s, Off Dribble midrange shots, and tough finishes at the bucket. Suggs looked fantastic offensively and was getting real hype until he started playing in NBA games where he looked abysmal.

Black has been getting comparisons to Jason Kidd and Lonzo Ball. And has not had games at least in the Summer league to deviate from those comparisons. Players historically don't drastically deviate from their style of plays or trajectories like that. That's why it's far fetched to believe he'd turn into those guys somehow when he can't even break down his defender in iso situations or not even shoot the ball well at any range outside of 5 feet.

You're looking for an overhauling development which is absolutely rare and difficult to produce. Especially when said player has none of those base skillets even present in his game. It's always possible but highly unlikely.

Lonzo shot 36/30/45 his rookie season, and he was a little older than Black.

Teams were packing the paint, so there was no point in Black driving. He got stripped like 3 times, and we're blowing it out of proportion.

Suggs made a couple of outside shots in the summer league, but he still doesn't have the touch that Black has.

We'll just have to give it time and see. At Black's age, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make a big impact, but he has all the tools to be very




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Well, you pack the paint for someone who cannot shoot or score in a variety of ways. The only way he's been scoring in summer league have been shots in the paint so theres the logic there. He's only made 2 jumpshots in the 3 games he's played. One of them being a desperation bank shot that luckily went in.

Compare that to Suggs who "made some jumpshots" is ridiculous looking at the various ways he was scoring in these games.

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But I agree we'll see... but I dont see it at all happening for Black outside of spotting up for 3s.

[basketballRob]

Suggs had a more advanced offensive game coming into the league as he was being compared to guys like Kyle Lowry and Jrue Holiday.

Even when you see hightlights in his first Summer League Suggs was knocking down shots all over the court. Pull up Long 3s, Off Dribble midrange shots, and tough finishes at the bucket. Suggs looked fantastic offensively and was getting real hype until he started playing in NBA games where he looked abysmal.

Black has been getting comparisons to Jason Kidd and Lonzo Ball. And has not had games at least in the Summer league to deviate from those comparisons. Players historically don't drastically deviate from their style of plays or trajectories like that. That's why it's far fetched to believe he'd turn into those guys somehow when he can't even break down his defender in iso situations or not even shoot the ball well at any range outside of 5 feet.

You're looking for an overhauling development which is absolutely rare and difficult to produce. Especially when said player has none of those base skillets even present in his game. It's always possible but highly unlikely.

Lonzo shot 36/30/45 his rookie season, and he was a little older than Black.

Teams were packing the paint, so there was no point in Black driving. He got stripped like 3 times, and we're blowing it out of proportion.

Suggs made a couple of outside shots in the summer league, but he still doesn't have the touch that Black has.

We'll just have to give it time and see. At Black's age, I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't make a big impact, but he has all the tools to be very




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Well, you pack the paint for someone who cannot shoot or score in a variety of ways. The only way he's been scoring in summer league have been shots in the paint so theres the logic there. He's only made 2 jumpshots in the 3 games he's played. One of them being a desperation bank shot that luckily went in.

Compare that to Suggs who "made some jumpshots" is ridiculous looking at the various ways he was scoring in these games.

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But I agree we'll see... but I dont see it at all happening for Black outside of spotting up for 3s.

He'll be fine

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[penny_nz]

Btw I agree with pepe, burnout as fans is a real thing here. It's pretty exhausting trotting out non shooting guards, and then watching our non shooting guards have games where perimeter shooting gets us killed.

I'm not saying Black is a bust, he does alot of things I like. Jett has shown at least he has a great looking shot that can be built on. But yes, especially with PGs, I'm so tired of hoping one of them will learn something resembling an NBA PG above average 3pt shot, and actually use it.

[OrlChamps2030]

His ball-handling is a little suspect right now for a true PG. He has the size to where you could play him at the 2/3 but if he can't offer any shooting off-the-ball then it won't work well. His defense looks like it will be great and he has all the tools but he definitely looks like he has a lot of development to do on the offensive end.

Magic fans and praying their young guard will learn how to shoot, name a better combo

I think he fits well with Cole Anthony (he'll most likely be brought back IMO) for the next few seasons coming off the bench. He'd be able to organize the bench unit while Cole would be able to focus on scoring. That's where he makes the most sense right now because he isn't the best ball handler in his current iteration and would look ALOT more effective there.

I honestly think the FO is trying to see who wins this PG battle between Suggs and Fultz. Whoever wins that will probably be the PG for the foreseeable future. I don't think they see Black in that light. To me he's that highly intelligent and diverse/versatile connector you need on a winning team who comes off the bench.

Also, I believe it's a move where it depresses the value of all your guards in order to resign the ones you want back to deals that are team friendly going forward.

That sounds good in theory, but reality is Cole Anthony played well as an on-ball shot creator off the bench and is entering a contract year. The only way Black is taking the ball out of his hands is if he outplays him. This organization seems committed to a play-off push, I don't think they will sacrifice wins for development.

Suggs vs Fultz is a completely different subject but I don't really see that battle anymore. Suggs isn't a PG to me.

[Bensational]

Black is a natural passer and defender, so whatever warts he has there I think he’ll figure out naturally over time. After a proper training camp he’ll get better hitting his guys in their spots. With time he’ll pull his handle in and protect it from swipes (Suggs will kill him in practice!).

He’s a pass-first guy, but I’d love to try to make him more comfortable as a scorer. Aside from working on his jump shot until he can get into it quickly (and hit shots), I’d like to see him add a runner and a float game to his bag of tricks - it’d be unstoppable at his size. He should also get some post up chances if he gets a small guard in the paint.

He doesn’t have to be a 20ppg scorer, but I don’t want him to become someone who shies away from scoring in big moments like Simmons or Draymond.

[RookieStar]

I will take 14 boards from any player any day.

Especially with a game-tying tip in at the buzzer.

Who would not want Dennis Rodman on their team?

Someone who needs Steve Kerr more than Dennis Rodman?

[JF5]

His ball-handling is a little suspect right now for a true PG. He has the size to where you could play him at the 2/3 but if he can't offer any shooting off-the-ball then it won't work well. His defense looks like it will be great and he has all the tools but he definitely looks like he has a lot of development to do on the offensive end.

Magic fans and praying their young guard will learn how to shoot, name a better combo

I think he fits well with Cole Anthony (he'll most likely be brought back IMO) for the next few seasons coming off the bench. He'd be able to organize the bench unit while Cole would be able to focus on scoring. That's where he makes the most sense right now because he isn't the best ball handler in his current iteration and would look ALOT more effective there.

I honestly think the FO is trying to see who wins this PG battle between Suggs and Fultz. Whoever wins that will probably be the PG for the foreseeable future. I don't think they see Black in that light. To me he's that highly intelligent and diverse/versatile connector you need on a winning team who comes off the bench.

Also, I believe it's a move where it depresses the value of all your guards in order to resign the ones you want back to deals that are team friendly going forward.

That sounds good in theory, but reality is Cole Anthony played well as an on-ball shot creator off the bench and is entering a contract year. The only way Black is taking the ball out of his hands is if he outplays him. This organization seems committed to a play-off push, I don't think they will sacrifice wins for development.

Suggs vs Fultz is a completely different subject but I don't really see that battle anymore. Suggs isn't a PG to me.

Yeah, first point I agree... Cole is good on ball but his inability to move the ball when it's needed leaves a lot to be desired at that end. That's why I think Black was partly drafted because they don't want Cole to be in complete control of the offense because he tends to focus on his own scoring too often. They needed someone else to get others the ball.

Second point it's a mystery... I think there is a competition there and they're trying to figure out if Suggs can actually play PG. If he can't do it/improve that and his shooting this upcoming season i think they'll move on from him. We'll see what happens.

[Def Swami]

I go back to that Anthony Black quote to Jake Fischer before the draft about him expecting the Magic to trade one of Fultz, Anthony, or Suggs if they draft him. I think Black is going to be a good player. I just don't know how he fits on this team with his skillset in relation to the other players already here. I don't really see Black or Howard earning many minutes on this team this year.

[The-Stallion70]

If Black finishes the season looking like Killian Hayes then we may have to extend Cole or match offers on him.

[thelead]

If Black finishes the season looking like Killian Hayes then we may have to extend Cole or match offers on him.

Killian Hayes...

-_-

[SOUL]

Anthony Black more like Shelvin Mack