Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Celts17Pride]

Bobby Manning @RealBobManning
4 minutes ago

Im not sure Jay Scrubb is necessarily in play for a C’s spot. Heard he left last 2 spots to pursue something bigger than a 2way. If he keeps hitting everything though…51.4% FG on 11 shots, 46.2% 3PT on 4 per game. Decent size to defend guards. Celts have those pair of 2ways…

[ajones9219]

These league rankings?

BPM: 66th in the league
EPM: 46th
RAPTOR: 76th
PIE: 66th
TS%: 106th

You're right, let's make him the highest paid player in NBA history.

Quoting models like Raptor are just intentionally disingenuous. That model has Derick white as a top 10 player in the NBA.

Brown is a top 20 player in the NBA, at absolute worst 25. You can disagree but it's basically a consensus in the national media

Right, because the national media people like Skip Bayless and Kendrick Perkins know everything and we should base all decisions on what they say, rather than looking at the actual data.

Raw stats without context is completely useless.

[Curmudgeon]

I don't care what the stats say about Brown. The eye test is good enough for me. Too many turnovers, missed shots, defensive lapses. Too many drives to the right trying to force his way past defenders with mixed success.

I'd rather watch Jordan Walsh, who is also flawed but whose intensity on defense is refreshing and who will be making 1/40th of what Brown will be making.

[ajones9219]

At this point I want to get the contract signed so this board can go into full meltdown mode lol

[Celts17Pride]

I don't care what the stats say about Brown. The eye test is good enough for me. Too many turnovers, missed shots, defensive lapses. Too many drives to the right trying to force his way past defenders with mixed success.

Celtics are fortunate Jayson Tatum doesn't do any of that stuff.

[Bar Fight]

At this point I want to get the contract signed so this board can go into full meltdown mode lol

It'll be worse than losing the Finals to some of these people lol

[Curmudgeon]

I don't care what the stats say about Brown. The eye test is good enough for me. Too many turnovers, missed shots, defensive lapses. Too many drives to the right trying to force his way past defenders with mixed success.

Celtics are fortunate Jayson Tatum doesn't do any of that stuff.

One is enough.

[Larry_Russell]

The question is whether or not Jaylen Brown is good enough at basketball so that you are willing to sacrifice your quality depth to fit him into your cap as a max player. In my view he is not.

Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true. Celtics haven't sacrificed quality depth. They traded Smart, Muscala and Gallo for Porzingis which is a talent upgrade. Grant Williams wasn't resigned and you can argue that point but this is the same Grant Williams who was in the doghouse and couldn't get off the bench last year. Celtics decided Grant Williams was worth $13-14 million per year.

Celtics currently have not sacrificed anything concerning depth but just keep on saying it.

They traded 2 guys in the top 7 for 1 guy in the top 7.

That is a difference, that is less depth.

we can argue all day on if Grant, Muscala and a potentiall yhealthy Danilo is quality or not.

I personally would take Grant and Danilo over Brisset and Banton.

[Triple7]

Quoting models like Raptor are just intentionally disingenuous. That model has Derick white as a top 10 player in the NBA.

Brown is a top 20 player in the NBA, at absolute worst 25. You can disagree but it's basically a consensus in the national media

It doesn’t matter if he’s top 15 or 25. What matters is if he fits with your number 1, which he really doesn’t.

So your take is actually that we've been a Finals contender in spite of JB holding us back and not bc he's been a warrior for us lol?

We were just lucky the past two seasons. We could have easily lost in the 2nd rd both seasons because of the poor mentality this team has. Tatum and Brown don’t play off each other. That’s why its always JT and Smart two man show at end of games. JB is always left watching those two. But when we desperately needed him to step up, he crapped his pants on the biggest game with history on the line. Now tell me he’s worth that supermax??? A warrior for us lol.

[Celts17Pride]

The question is whether or not Jaylen Brown is good enough at basketball so that you are willing to sacrifice your quality depth to fit him into your cap as a max player. In my view he is not.

Just because you keep saying this doesn't make it true. Celtics haven't sacrificed quality depth. They traded Smart, Muscala and Gallo for Porzingis which is a talent upgrade. Grant Williams wasn't resigned and you can argue that point but this is the same Grant Williams who was in the doghouse and couldn't get off the bench last year. Celtics decided Grant Williams was worth $13-14 million per year.

Celtics currently have not sacrificed anything concerning depth but just keep on saying it.

They traded 2 guys in the top 7 for 1 guy in the top 7.

That is a difference, that is less depth.

we can argue all day on if Grant, Muscala and a potentiall yhealthy Danilo is quality or not.

I personally would take Grant and Danilo over Brisset and Banton.

[Larry_Russell]

I'm late to this conversation. Where are the goalposts supposed to be? I'm not sure where they moved from, but to me is he worth a max? Is this the best way to maximize the roster? That to me is the questions.

The the NBA, every team is working/hoping to get top end star talent. Depth doesn't win championships, star talent does. We have observed this for years yet we literally have 3 stars on the roster now, with two being superstars/borderline superstars and we want to ship one out for role players?

We did it. We got the thing every team wants. Stop overcomplicating it

Don't forget Brad Stevens penny pinching ways because he has somehow make up for giving Jaylen Brown his contract. Brad Stevens is now forced to do penny pinching moves like trading for $37 million Porzingis and immediately signing him to an extension worth another $60 million. Damn Jaylen Brown!

Don't know how I'm going to adjust to these new Celtics penny pinching ways.

he extended him at 30 million, which is less than the max, and is a moveable contract as it is only 2 years long.

He definately gambled that contract wont be an albatros though.

[pac213up]

At this point I want to get the contract signed so this board can go into full meltdown mode lol

It is going to be spectacular.

[ajones9219]

It doesn’t matter if he’s top 15 or 25. What matters is if he fits with your number 1, which he really doesn’t.

So your take is actually that we've been a Finals contender in spite of JB holding us back and not bc he's been a warrior for us lol?

We were just lucky the past two seasons. We could have easily lost in the 2nd rd both seasons because of the poor mentality this team has. Tatum and Brown don’t play off each other. That’s why its always JT and Smart two man show at end of games. JB is always left watching those two. But when we desperately needed him to step up, he crapped his pants on the biggest game with history on the line. Now tell me he’s worth that supermax??? A warrior for us lol.

My guy theyve been to the conference finals 4 out of their 6 seasons together. This notion that don't fit is just silly

[Hal14]

Quoting models like Raptor are just intentionally disingenuous. That model has Derick white as a top 10 player in the NBA.

Brown is a top 20 player in the NBA, at absolute worst 25. You can disagree but it's basically a consensus in the national media

Right, because the national media people like Skip Bayless and Kendrick Perkins know everything and we should base all decisions on what they say, rather than looking at the actual data.

Raw stats without context is completely useless.

Every impact metric tells us JB was not a top 40 player in the league last season. How much context can possibly be added to say that player deserves the biggest contract in NBA history?

Especially given the fact that he plays the same position as our team's best player and adds nothing unique that that player (Tatum) doesn't already provide. And that player (Tatum) is due to also get a supermax contract next year. So if we supermax JB, then next year we will have TWO guys on a supermax contract, who play the same position, with 1 of those players not adding anything unique that the better player doesn't already provide. Oh and the lesser player is also more injury prone than Tatum, is a worse defender, worse rebounder, worse passer than Tatum, worse clutch player, has complained in the media about the City of Boston, sees himself as equal to Tatum (which could cause issues..)

How's that for context?

Why not trade JB, which would save a ton of $ and replace him with a player(s) that fits better with JT and KP?

[Celts17Pride]

The the NBA, every team is working/hoping to get top end star talent. Depth doesn't win championships, star talent does. We have observed this for years yet we literally have 3 stars on the roster now, with two being superstars/borderline superstars and we want to ship one out for role players?

We did it. We got the thing every team wants. Stop overcomplicating it

Don't forget Brad Stevens penny pinching ways because he has somehow make up for giving Jaylen Brown his contract. Brad Stevens is now forced to do penny pinching moves like trading for $37 million Porzingis and immediately signing him to an extension worth another $60 million. Damn Jaylen Brown!

Don't know how I'm going to adjust to these new Celtics penny pinching ways.

he extended him at 30 million, which is less than the max, and is a moveable contract as it is only 2 years long.

He definately gambled that contract wont be an albatros though.

but because of Jaylen Brown's next contract the Celtics have to pinch pennies according to Celtics RealGM, how were the Celtics able to do this? They must have a rich uncle or aunt.

[Triple7]

At this point I want to get the contract signed so this board can go into full meltdown mode lol

Nothing we can do about it if its done, but support and hope for the best.

[BK_2020]

So your take is actually that we've been a Finals contender in spite of JB holding us back and not bc he's been a warrior for us lol?

We were just lucky the past two seasons. We could have easily lost in the 2nd rd both seasons because of the poor mentality this team has. Tatum and Brown don’t play off each other. That’s why its always JT and Smart two man show at end of games. JB is always left watching those two. But when we desperately needed him to step up, he crapped his pants on the biggest game with history on the line. Now tell me he’s worth that supermax??? A warrior for us lol.

My guy theyve been to the conference finals 4 out of their 6 seasons together. This notion that don't fit is just silly

It's possible that the Celtics did that in spite of, not because of, Tatum and Jaylen's synergy.

[ryan in Maine]

These league rankings?

BPM: 66th in the league
EPM: 46th
RAPTOR: 76th
PIE: 66th
TS%: 106th

You're right, let's make him the highest paid player in NBA history.

Quoting models like Raptor are just intentionally disingenuous. That model has Derick white as a top 10 player in the NBA.

Brown is a top 20 player in the NBA, at absolute worst 25. You can disagree but it's basically a consensus in the national media

Right, because the national media people like Skip Bayless and Kendrick Perkins know everything and we should base all decisions on what they say, rather than looking at the actual data.

All-NBA 2nd Team. 169 total points.

1 vote for 1st Team
45 for 2nd Team
29 for 3rd Team

Them's the facts.

[Triple7]

So your take is actually that we've been a Finals contender in spite of JB holding us back and not bc he's been a warrior for us lol?

We were just lucky the past two seasons. We could have easily lost in the 2nd rd both seasons because of the poor mentality this team has. Tatum and Brown don’t play off each other. That’s why its always JT and Smart two man show at end of games. JB is always left watching those two. But when we desperately needed him to step up, he crapped his pants on the biggest game with history on the line. Now tell me he’s worth that supermax??? A warrior for us lol.

My guy theyve been to the conference finals 4 out of their 6 seasons together. This notion that don't fit is just silly

I don’t know what you are watching, but its really obvious they don’t fit. They don’t play off each other. Each plays better when the other sits.

[Curmudgeon]

I've already resigned myself to Brown's supermax extension, and also to the fact that the Celtics will not win another title in my lifetime.