Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[steefP2]

At least he can dribble left, and won’t get paid 60M.

That’s not a better fit. You’ve not answered the question; just rattling of some meaningless talking points

Please answer the question. How is dejounte a worse defender? and what is a poor advantage creator actually mean?

A poor advantage creator is someone who's scoring ability doesn't put enough pressure on the defense to have that actually result in good looks either for himself or for others. The defense part ive answered in my other post but i can eloborate. all his defensive metrics completely tanked last season with Atlanta and his team wasnt better on defense with him on the court, despite him supposedly being their best perimeter defender. Maybe spurs dejounte can come back defensively but he wasnt around last season.

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[steefP2]

and the jaylen makes 60 mil thing is also disingenuous. he wont reach 60 mil till year 4 of his contract (when it will actually be a slightly lower % of the cap than the 51 mil he will make in 2024-2025). Makes no sense to trade him now, you trade him in 2 years.

And again, ill stop wasting words on dejounte. The man cant be traded for a full year anyway

[Triple7]

Please explain how; dejounte is a worse defender. Not a dynamic shooter, a poor advantage creator and has a comically low ts. He’s just a much much worse player than just got extended so he can’t even be traded for a year lol. And bogdanovic can’t be traded for 6 months soooo yeah

Worse defender? The guy was a one time steals leader. A 2nd team all defense, and an all star. Jaylen haven’t even cracked all defense lol. He’s also the spurs all time leader in triple doubles despite playing only a few years with them. Jaylen has tunnel vision and can’t dribble. Smh

yeah he had a really good year with the spurs. Not disagreeing there and then he totally mailed it in defensively last year. Idk what to tell you, he was really good and then he wasn't. Maybe he will be again next year but its a position we already have an all defense guy at so idk what that helps us when Dejounte is much too slight to guard wings.

Maybe he played poorly in atlanta because of fit? Coach didn’t use him properly? That’s why i’m all for trading JB, because he doesn’t really fit well with JT. Its always a my turn your turn with them. We get by in the regular season, but those things show up in the playoffs, when defense are tight.

[steefP2]

It was your turn my turn in atlanta too, with trae and dejounte. Just seems like you havent watched the hawks idk.

[ryan in Maine]

Imagine this board in 1993 if the Celtics gave Kevin Gamble a supermax because he was the 2nd best player on a team that won almost 50 games.

Stop trolling lmao

[Andrew McCeltic]

Kyle Anderson would be a great fit here off the bench but he'd have to be one piece coming back in a larger trade

[Triple7]

That’s not a better fit. You’ve not answered the question; just rattling of some meaningless talking points

Please answer the question. How is dejounte a worse defender? and what is a poor advantage creator actually mean?

A poor advantage creator is someone who's scoring ability doesn't put enough pressure on the defense to have that actually result in good looks either for himself or for others. The defense part ive answered in my other post but i can eloborate. all his defensive metrics completely tanked last season with Atlanta and his team wasnt better on defense with him on the court, despite him supposedly being their best perimeter defender. Maybe spurs dejounte can come back defensively but he wasnt around last season.

Then Jaylen is a much worse advantage creator. The fact he can’t dribble left, and has tunnel vision, doesn’t put pressure on the opposing defense. He doesn’t really pass the ball well, so he doesn’t make his teammates better.

[Bar Fight]

Imagine this board in 1993 if the Celtics gave Kevin Gamble a supermax because he was the 2nd best player on a team that won almost 50 games.

Be mad at Brad, not us

[Triple7]

It was your turn my turn in atlanta too, with trae and dejounte. Just seems like you havent watched the hawks idk.

It wasn’t a good fit as well. They both want the ball in their hands. Two point guards don’t fit. Same with the Jays, who plays exactky the same. Since Dejounte can’t be traded for a year, and Trae is basically off limits, then i agree, this discussion is pointless. Lol i’m out.

[31to6]

this thread needs to get laid

I mean, there’s good stuff here, but there’s also nothing to talk about

[steefP2]

Please answer the question. How is dejounte a worse defender? and what is a poor advantage creator actually mean?

A poor advantage creator is someone who's scoring ability doesn't put enough pressure on the defense to have that actually result in good looks either for himself or for others. The defense part ive answered in my other post but i can eloborate. all his defensive metrics completely tanked last season with Atlanta and his team wasnt better on defense with him on the court, despite him supposedly being their best perimeter defender. Maybe spurs dejounte can come back defensively but he wasnt around last season.

Then Jaylen is a much worse advantage creator. The fact he can’t dribble left, and has tunnel vision, doesn’t put pressure on the opposing defense. He doesn’t really pass the ball well, so he doesn’t make his teammates better.

well no, i understand you feel that way but the base element of putting pressure on defenses is your own scoring ability. Thats what defenses react to and despite jaylen's many flaws he's a much better scorer than dejounte so even though he can't pass as well and his vision is poor, he can at least score at a very high rate on acceptable efficiency. So defenses react much more to Jaylen than they do to Dejounte, since he can't score at any reasonable volume on anything but very poor efficiency. Yes jaylen doesn't have all the skills we want to take advantage of his scoring. Thats unfortunate, he still does more for an offense than Dejounte. Your passing ability kinda goes to waste if you can't leverage the defense to react to you. Ideally we'd merge the players but we can't. Anyway Dejounte cant be traded for a year.

[165bows]

this thread needs to get laid

I mean, there’s good stuff here, but there’s also nothing to talk about

It already got dumped, just hasn't found out yet. We are in "who is the fifth wing" mode but just need a moment to settle in.

[ryan in Maine]

I mean, dudes here are trying to acquire half the Hawks' roster lol

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[GoCeltics123]

I mean, dudes here are trying to acquire half the Hawks' roster lol

The 41-41 Atlanta Hawks

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Enter the Boston Celtics and Malcom Brogdon?

Celtics somehow come away with Okongwu and Bey and it's a great off-season.


Celtics: Patty Mills, Bey, Okongwu
Hawks: Siakam, Flynn, pick
Raptors: Hunter, Brogdon, two picks

Fun to dream

[Andrew McCeltic]

Wouldn’t Toronto just develop Okongwu as a 4 next to Poeltl? Supposedly he’s learning to shoot.

Obv. Brogdon for Okongwu and Trent is hard to turn down..

[robdog_5]

Quoting models like Raptor are just intentionally disingenuous. That model has Derick white as a top 10 player in the NBA.

Brown is a top 20 player in the NBA, at absolute worst 25. You can disagree but it's basically a consensus in the national media

It doesn’t matter if he’s top 15 or 25. What matters is if he fits with your number 1, which he really doesn’t.

Based on what? Source: trust me bro?

Huh? Just common basketball knowledge

[Spotter]

I mean, dudes here are trying to acquire half the Hawks' roster lol