Orlando Magic Vegas Summer League Games Thread Discussion (vs. Boston)

[bigdogdylan5]

Our rooks are playing with mostly non nba players. We’re need to evaluate after playing with actual nba talent.

To be fair. This is probably the most honest take here.

Looking at the box score and reading through the thread from last night.

I like what I see from Black overall. Less so from Howard but i'm happy that he had a game to showcase his shooting. Puts me a tad more at ease.

It is clear to me that the level of talent our team assemble for summer league was not good, not good at all. I honestly would not have been mad if we straight up pulled them from the Summer League after game 1 as I do not see how this league benefited them with their skill set.

im actually the reverse. to me, Jett was chosen to play SG/SF and to make 3's. he has shown he can make 3's. I'm not a believer yet in this dynamic scoring ability from him, but i dont think they ask that of him, especially not right away.

Black, we cannot exist in today's NBA with a bad shooting PG. his shot HAS to improve and improve fast.

Why does it have to improve fast? I just want him to improve correctly if it takes 2-3 years then I am good. He is 19 years old. I think everyone is down on Black because his game was not built for summer league it’s not a sexy create your own shot type of game. I really think of him as a support guy like in a video game. It’s not sexy and people never want to play it but it is necessary. Having him reading and hitting Franz on cuts, WCJ on rolls, and support Paolo is extremely intriguing. Very excited to see him play with Anthony. An Anthony Harris Black Ingles Goga backup unit is intriguing as shot to me surrounding him with shooting.

[ORLMagicGirl15]

Are our lottery picks even going to be in rotation? Im not impressed at all.

Say what you want about Markelle or Suggs shot, but AB is way worse. His defense has been really good, but man how can you play him over any of our guards??

And even with Jett scoring a lot, I am not seeing how hes anything more than a shooter. His dribbling just doesnt seem to be effective and he just doesnt look like a good athlete. Not quick or explosive. He doesnt dunk near the rim and often fades away when getting near rim. He has made some good reads but also a lot of lazy passes. His defense has been a lot better than advertised though.

AB is very impressive. He can’t shoot-but we all know this-he does everything else well. One thing is he shows up in the 4th quarter. We saw that in the 1st and 3rd game.

If all Jett become is a sniper then he will mostly definitely get minutes. Our team can’t shoot.

He can’t shoot but “we all know this?”

Maybe 10 of us know it. The rest are convinced he’s dead on balls accurate. The fact that he cannot shoot is the reason why this pick was a bad one. And that doesn’t get fixed magically; pun intended.

And we reached for a “sniper” with our 2nd lotto pick in what was likely some misguided attempt at compensating for Black’s weakness by taking a player with complimentary skills. Like we get to take the aggregate and call it a W.

Okay.

[JoshuaPotter]

AB is very impressive. He can’t shoot-but we all know this-he does everything else well. One thing is he shows up in the 4th quarter. We saw that in the 1st and 3rd game.

If all Jett become is a sniper then he will mostly definitely get minutes. Our team can’t shoot.

He can’t shoot but “we all know this?”

Maybe 10 of us know it. The rest are convinced he’s dead on balls accurate. The fact that he cannot shoot is the reason why this pick was a bad one. And that doesn’t get fixed magically; pun intended.

And we reached for a “sniper” with our 2nd lotto pick in what was likely some misguided attempt at compensating for Black’s weakness by taking a player with complimentary skills. Like we get to take the aggregate and call it a W.

Okay.

I loved your response here.

Several people quoted me on my thoughts, as if they were cemented.

Enjoying the discussion, but just like summer league, nobody should take my posts regarding our rookies as too serious as its just too early.

[Residual-Heat]

Lol. People claim to know "it's just summer league" but we still get plenty of both extremes here - from "we made the wrong pick" doomers to photoshopping AB's head on our starting PG's body.

Never change, Magic fans.

it was a joke, sorry if it hurt your feelings

[Audi]

Lol. People claim to know "it's just summer league" but we still get plenty of both extremes here - from "we made the wrong pick" doomers to photoshopping AB's head on our starting PG's body.

Never change, Magic fans.

it was a joke, sorry if it hurt your feelings

Lol - I'm not offended. I thought it was a poignant example (even if a joke), of the two opposing poles that Magic fans gravitate towards even when we claim to meet in the middle.

[tiderulz]

To be fair. This is probably the most honest take here.

Looking at the box score and reading through the thread from last night.

I like what I see from Black overall. Less so from Howard but i'm happy that he had a game to showcase his shooting. Puts me a tad more at ease.

It is clear to me that the level of talent our team assemble for summer league was not good, not good at all. I honestly would not have been mad if we straight up pulled them from the Summer League after game 1 as I do not see how this league benefited them with their skill set.

im actually the reverse. to me, Jett was chosen to play SG/SF and to make 3's. he has shown he can make 3's. I'm not a believer yet in this dynamic scoring ability from him, but i dont think they ask that of him, especially not right away.

Black, we cannot exist in today's NBA with a bad shooting PG. his shot HAS to improve and improve fast.

True but if he has guys around him that can shoot it can work. He still needs to improve of course.

My issue is he really that good of a facilitator? Or he is he like Suggs? If he’s not elite on top of the shooting, he’s a bench player and that at 6 is...No beuno

what good team has a bad shooting PG?

[tiderulz]

To be fair. This is probably the most honest take here.

Looking at the box score and reading through the thread from last night.

I like what I see from Black overall. Less so from Howard but i'm happy that he had a game to showcase his shooting. Puts me a tad more at ease.

It is clear to me that the level of talent our team assemble for summer league was not good, not good at all. I honestly would not have been mad if we straight up pulled them from the Summer League after game 1 as I do not see how this league benefited them with their skill set.

im actually the reverse. to me, Jett was chosen to play SG/SF and to make 3's. he has shown he can make 3's. I'm not a believer yet in this dynamic scoring ability from him, but i dont think they ask that of him, especially not right away.

Black, we cannot exist in today's NBA with a bad shooting PG. his shot HAS to improve and improve fast.

Why does it have to improve fast? I just want him to improve correctly if it takes 2-3 years then I am good. He is 19 years old. I think everyone is down on Black because his game was not built for summer league it’s not a sexy create your own shot type of game. I really think of him as a support guy like in a video game. It’s not sexy and people never want to play it but it is necessary. Having him reading and hitting Franz on cuts, WCJ on rolls, and support Paolo is extremely intriguing. Very excited to see him play with Anthony. An Anthony Harris Black Ingles Goga backup unit is intriguing as shot to me surrounding him with shooting.

im not saying he has to be shooting 40% by the end of the year, but he has to show that he can improve that shot. otherwise why waste the pick on him when we could just keep on with Fultz. i personally dont care about SL except to see that he still has a bad outside shot.

[JoshuaPotter]

im actually the reverse. to me, Jett was chosen to play SG/SF and to make 3's. he has shown he can make 3's. I'm not a believer yet in this dynamic scoring ability from him, but i dont think they ask that of him, especially not right away.

Black, we cannot exist in today's NBA with a bad shooting PG. his shot HAS to improve and improve fast.

Why does it have to improve fast? I just want him to improve correctly if it takes 2-3 years then I am good. He is 19 years old. I think everyone is down on Black because his game was not built for summer league it’s not a sexy create your own shot type of game. I really think of him as a support guy like in a video game. It’s not sexy and people never want to play it but it is necessary. Having him reading and hitting Franz on cuts, WCJ on rolls, and support Paolo is extremely intriguing. Very excited to see him play with Anthony. An Anthony Harris Black Ingles Goga backup unit is intriguing as shot to me surrounding him with shooting.

im not saying he has to be shooting 40% by the end of the year, but he has to show that he can improve that shot. otherwise why waste the pick on him when we could just keep on with Fultz. i personally dont care about SL except to see that he still has a bad outside shot.

I think that is fair and healthy.

In Summer League his shot hasn't looked good at all and thats with a .30% coming from college. Yuck.

He did showcase a lot of other skills which I was happy to see. Similar to J Howard having 1 good shooting game puts my mind a little bit at ease. Much like Blacks +1 3 ball that when in in his debut game. A "glimmer or brief flash" of his max potential to draw fouls, initiate contact and still make the circus shot.

[Ralof]

To be fair. This is probably the most honest take here.

Looking at the box score and reading through the thread from last night.

I like what I see from Black overall. Less so from Howard but i'm happy that he had a game to showcase his shooting. Puts me a tad more at ease.

It is clear to me that the level of talent our team assemble for summer league was not good, not good at all. I honestly would not have been mad if we straight up pulled them from the Summer League after game 1 as I do not see how this league benefited them with their skill set.

im actually the reverse. to me, Jett was chosen to play SG/SF and to make 3's. he has shown he can make 3's. I'm not a believer yet in this dynamic scoring ability from him, but i dont think they ask that of him, especially not right away.

Black, we cannot exist in today's NBA with a bad shooting PG. his shot HAS to improve and improve fast.

Why does it have to improve fast? I just want him to improve correctly if it takes 2-3 years then I am good. He is 19 years old. I think everyone is down on Black because his game was not built for summer league it’s not a sexy create your own shot type of game. I really think of him as a support guy like in a video game. It’s not sexy and people never want to play it but it is necessary. Having him reading and hitting Franz on cuts, WCJ on rolls, and support Paolo is extremely intriguing. Very excited to see him play with Anthony. An Anthony Harris Black Ingles Goga backup unit is intriguing as shot to me surrounding him with shooting.

agree with large part of this post,just about Anthony: good on paper,think reality will be more difficult.
Can see Cole,especially in contract year,monopolize the offense even more we are used to see.
Black can find his role even without ball in his hands for 15-20 minutes,but would be more difficult to absorb"growing pains"that way.

[penny_nz]

I thought we saw good flashes from AB and Jett yesterday. Jett has a really smooth shot and quick release, great bakance off of step backs and handoffs, if he can hone in on that he'll have a role. The rest is all about bbiq and picking his spots.

I'm generally impressed with Black, yes shooting is a concern, the TOs are a concern but have to remember to context of the game (normally chaotic action, rubbish screens, no spacing and probably trying to do too much). He has a great feel for the game, but yes the shot scares me alot.

In other news, fillipinos on FB now actively rooting for the other team before and after games on our posts...

[zaymon]

I think Jett could be closer to getting minutes than Black. Shooting 40% of difficult 3s, some of them off the dribble or above multiple defenders ? Thats exactly what we need. You add solid defense,.nice length and plus passing and i wonder why some people here think he is not doing good ?

[thelead]

I think Jett could be closer to getting minutes than Black. Shooting 40% of difficult 3s, some of them off the dribble or above multiple defenders ? Thats exactly what we need. You add solid defense,.nice length and plus passing and i wonder why some people here think he is not doing good ?

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[basketballRob]

I think Jett could be closer to getting minutes than Black. Shooting 40% of difficult 3s, some of them off the dribble or above multiple defenders ? Thats exactly what we need. You add solid defense,.nice length and plus passing and i wonder why some people here think he is not doing good ?

People are still a little butthurt that we didn't pick the player they wanted.

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[three3d]

I think Jett could be closer to getting minutes than Black. Shooting 40% of difficult 3s, some of them off the dribble or above multiple defenders ? Thats exactly what we need. You add solid defense,.nice length and plus passing and i wonder why some people here think he is not doing good ?

People are still a little butthurt that we didn't pick the player they wanted.

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Or butthurt we used the 6th pick to draft an EXTREME project that might not pan out. Everyone acting like it’s just summer league let’s not overreact aren’t paying attention to the fact this is exactly like his college stats. He played a full college season with kids on his level and he didn’t dominate. Serious question, is he even a point guard?

[eyriq]

I think Jett could be closer to getting minutes than Black. Shooting 40% of difficult 3s, some of them off the dribble or above multiple defenders ? Thats exactly what we need. You add solid defense,.nice length and plus passing and i wonder why some people here think he is not doing good ?

People are still a little butthurt that we didn't pick the player they wanted.

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Or butthurt we used the 6th pick to draft an EXTREME project that might not pan out. Everyone acting like it’s just summer league let’s not overreact aren’t paying attention to the fact this is exactly like his college stats. He played a full college season with kids on his level and he didn’t dominate. Serious question, is he even a point guard?

If the season starts and Black is out of the rotation then for sure I'll be raising eyebrows. However, everything I've seen indicates he's going to contribute from day one.

[KillMonger]

People are still a little butthurt that we didn't pick the player they wanted.

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Or butthurt we used the 6th pick to draft an EXTREME project that might not pan out. Everyone acting like it’s just summer league let’s not overreact aren’t paying attention to the fact this is exactly like his college stats. He played a full college season with kids on his level and he didn’t dominate. Serious question, is he even a point guard?

If the season starts and Black is out of the rotation then for sure I'll be raising eyebrows. However, everything I've seen indicates he's going to contribute from day one.

It's hard NOT to see that unless you're doing it intentionally.... You'd think after what we've been through it would've taught us some patience

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[eyriq]

Or butthurt we used the 6th pick to draft an EXTREME project that might not pan out. Everyone acting like it’s just summer league let’s not overreact aren’t paying attention to the fact this is exactly like his college stats. He played a full college season with kids on his level and he didn’t dominate. Serious question, is he even a point guard?

If the season starts and Black is out of the rotation then for sure I'll be raising eyebrows. However, everything I've seen indicates he's going to contribute from day one.

It's hard NOT to see that unless you're doing it intentionally.... You'd think after what we've been through it would've taught us some patience

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I've not researched this but how common is it for top 6 picks to start out as third stringers? And when they do, what are the circumstances?

[rcklsscognition]

AB doesn't fit the mold of what I want in a PG. Does that mean he isn't going to be good? No, but I am very cautious when teams draft players with glaring deficiencies in parts of their game that should have been fixed years ago. I just don't buy that players can become shooters. They've been playing basketball for 10 years by the time they reach the NBA. Most of them are what they are by the time they get to summer league. The more I watch these old summer league videos of current stars, the more convinced I am of that.

[thelead]

Are the rookies playing tonight?

[Blue_and_Whte]

im actually the reverse. to me, Jett was chosen to play SG/SF and to make 3's. he has shown he can make 3's. I'm not a believer yet in this dynamic scoring ability from him, but i dont think they ask that of him, especially not right away.

Black, we cannot exist in today's NBA with a bad shooting PG. his shot HAS to improve and improve fast.

Why does it have to improve fast? I just want him to improve correctly if it takes 2-3 years then I am good. He is 19 years old. I think everyone is down on Black because his game was not built for summer league it’s not a sexy create your own shot type of game. I really think of him as a support guy like in a video game. It’s not sexy and people never want to play it but it is necessary. Having him reading and hitting Franz on cuts, WCJ on rolls, and support Paolo is extremely intriguing. Very excited to see him play with Anthony. An Anthony Harris Black Ingles Goga backup unit is intriguing as shot to me surrounding him with shooting.

agree with large part of this post,just about Anthony: good on paper,think reality will be more difficult.
Can see Cole,especially in contract year,monopolize the offense even more we are used to see.
Black can find his role even without ball in his hands for 15-20 minutes,but would be more difficult to absorb"growing pains"that way.

Reality is Cole is a lot better than people realize. They need re-sign him. Perfect spark plug off the bench for a team that lacks shooting with a goal of making the playoffs. I don’t know where this false idea that he was monopolizing the offense comes from. He had a good season and would pair well with whomever comes off the bench.