Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Andrew McCeltic]

Does anything work with BOS/ATL/TOR/PHO? Suns get Brogdon, Capela, Hawks get Ayton and Siakam, Raptors get Deandre Hunter, Bey, we get Okongwu, Payne and Trent Jr..?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Really interesting would be if Atlanta gets Siakam and makes a play for Jaylen next.. do they have the chips to do it?

[robdog_5]

Really interesting would be if Atlanta gets Siakam and makes a play for Jaylen next.. do they have the chips to do it?

No they barley have the chips to get Siakam

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I wouldn't hate it if we get Oubre to sign for the minimum.

I gotta figure someone is gonna offer him more than that, though. Has a dude who is healthy and in the middle of his prime, coming off a 20 PPG season ever had to settle for minimum contract?

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I mean, dudes here are trying to acquire half the Hawks' roster lol

The 41-41 Atlanta Hawks

Last summer it was the Pacers.

[robdog_5]

I'm not sure you can trade Jaylen. This maybe his lowest value considering he's a FA next year. So your not getting back full value. It's also hard to find competitor to competitor trades just doesn't happen often cause draft comp and young controllable players are usually the assets it requires.

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Anyways still don't think the Hawks are a fit, even sans JB ideas. Cs have three bigs, Capela costs too much, and Olive Oil will cost more than Rob after next year and not sure he's better. Fun to work up ideas but they just don't have much that fits here, imo.

Outside of something random like Jalen Johnson or something but I doubt that even.

[SuperDeluxe]

Is Jaylen number one in the league in lost ball turnovers? Ie, turnovers not on the pass.

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Can't find the full list but a sampling: Embiid at 91, A. Edwards is at 88, Tatum at 78, Randle at 75, JB at 68, Jokic at 68, Luka at 64. Draymond G. turns it over at about the same rate but only 19 lost ball turnovers, guy has hands of steel

I'd like to see the "Spectacularly dumb TOs" ranking, with the data splits for "Running-into-crowd TOs" being of special interest.

[165bows]

Does anything work with BOS/ATL/TOR/PHO? Suns get Brogdon, Capela, Hawks get Ayton and Siakam, Raptors get Deandre Hunter, Bey, we get Okongwu, Payne and Trent Jr..?

Hawks can't afford Ayton and Siakam.

Only thing that works similar imo is Raps get Hunter/Brogs, but what comes back that isn't just wheel spinning? Brogdon fills a need and is a quality player. So unless it's just to save money I don't see it.

[Patsfan1081]

Imagine this board in 1993 if the Celtics gave Kevin Gamble a supermax because he was the 2nd best player on a team that won almost 50 games.

Im afraid to ask this but are you sayin JB and Kevin Gamble are on similar levels or just that Brad would pay any #2 max money? Everyone knows your love for JB but still hard to decode this. Also Gamble was never a top 2 player on any team. Even a aging Parrish and a “afraid to drive to the basket” Dee Brown had better seasons then.

[Patsfan1081]

Why are we still doing Brogdan trades when teams wont touch him? He needs to show he’s healthy foremost.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

I would just put him in suspended animation until December...

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[robdog_5]

Why are we still doing Brogdan trades when teams wont touch him? He needs to show he’s healthy foremost.

Think it was either Lowe or Windy who basically said really he may miss no time at all.

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Is Jaylen number one in the league in lost ball turnovers? Ie, turnovers not on the pass.

Spoiler:

Can't find the full list but a sampling: Embiid at 91, A. Edwards is at 88, Tatum at 78, Randle at 75, JB at 68, Jokic at 68, Luka at 64. Draymond G. turns it over at about the same rate but only 19 lost ball turnovers, guy has hands of steel

I'd like to see the "Spectacularly dumb TOs" ranking, with the data splits for "Running-into-crowd TOs" being of special interest.

Well I think that is the real issue, is the lack of playmaking for others as opposed to the TOs. Some of them look bad but I haven't seen anyone kill Anthony Edwards for losing the ball even though he does it more than JB.

Issue is he just doesn't create tons of other opportunities relative to his scoring and position. He's #104 in assists per 100 possessions, behind a lot of the more dynamic scoring guys. So he's high volume, middling efficiency, low-medium playmaking. But OG is at the bottom of the barrel in assists in that general category (ie, good wings), so it doesn't make sense to pine for him too much.

I am curious if he was a bad fit for Smart, who was trending towards a 2011-13 celtics era offense of sets and pin point passes, and JB is not a Ray Allen. Cautiously optimistic a more free flowing offense will be better with one guy that sort of end scorer but we will see.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Does anything work with BOS/ATL/TOR/PHO? Suns get Brogdon, Capela, Hawks get Ayton and Siakam, Raptors get Deandre Hunter, Bey, we get Okongwu, Payne and Trent Jr..?

Hawks can't afford Ayton and Siakam.

Only thing that works similar imo is Raps get Hunter/Brogs, but what comes back that isn't just wheel spinning? Brogdon fills a need and is a quality player. So unless it's just to save money I don't see it.

Okongwu is going to be a really good 3&D big really soon - if he’s the trade return it’s a win. But we’d have to take back more money in the deal and then Al is on the block.

But if Toronto deals Siakam and one of Trent/OG’s expirings they can run Brogdon/OG/Hunter/Barnes/Poeltl and win the treadmill championship with a bunch of affordable defense-first players.

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[Patsfan1081]

So Brad says we're looking at a wing or a 4/3 type of guy.

Perhaps that means he's looking at signing Kelly Oubre for the minimum. With a fall back option of Glenn Robinson III (if Oubre decides to sign with a different team that can offer him more money and/or more minutes)

Or perhaps we trade for Bey with the Grant TPE. Or we sign Hamidou Diallo, Javonte Green, Derrick Jones Jr, Austin Rivers, Justice Winslow or Terence Davis..

What happened to Derrick Jones? He had a $3M+ option that he turned down and now doesn't have an offer - is that right? At any rate I'd take either of the Chicago guys, Jones or Green. I liked Diallo for a depth guy but that role is filled completely by Brissett.

So if you’re keeping the point guards you have the vet minimum options.

If you deal Pritchard or Brogdon you have to fill a spot in the backcourt. But you have to deal one or both if you want to use the TPE or taxMLE and stay under apron 2.

Tax MLE is off the table- the only guy I’d want is Dosunmu.

TPE options for a wing, combo forward or backup point guard?

Pritchard or Brogdon trades for a wing, combo forward or point guard?

If Sportrac is correct and we have 3.2 available you could just release one of Kornet/Champ to put you over the mid level. Seems to be much more wings/bigs out there available for that.

[Patsfan1081]

So your take is actually that we've been a Finals contender in spite of JB holding us back and not bc he's been a warrior for us lol?

We were just lucky the past two seasons. We could have easily lost in the 2nd rd both seasons because of the poor mentality this team has. Tatum and Brown don’t play off each other. That’s why its always JT and Smart two man show at end of games. JB is always left watching those two. But when we desperately needed him to step up, he crapped his pants on the biggest game with history on the line. Now tell me he’s worth that supermax??? A warrior for us lol.

Lucky. Ok. That makes us perhaps the most statistically lucky team in league history. If you wanna die on that hill have at it lol.

Questions about their fit are certainly valid. I have questions myself.

And look another example of a criticism that applies to JT (maybe moreso even) that's reserved solely for JB lol. The thing I said happens happened a few posts later. Good grief.

Brad isn't going to sacrifice our off-season at the alter of JB haters.

I agree that the two Jays dont play off each other well but if the two options are trading him for a sizable downgrade vs resigning him and hope that a player who has improved every single season to the point he’s voted all nba makes another adjustment ill take the latter. I think Brown is smart enough to know what he needs to work on and Brad has the stones to tell him before offering up that kind of money. Everyone is playing the what if game and trying to discredit his game through advanced stats as if he’s played no part in this teams success….

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I'd like to see the "Spectacularly dumb TOs" ranking, with the data splits for "Running-into-crowd TOs" being of special interest.

I despise him basketball wise.
I despise his ignorance & behavior.
I would trade him for almost anything.

I have sadly accepted the fact that he will be signed & extended for an unimaginably obscene amount of money - one of the worst albatross-engendering decisions in Celtics history.
Brad is a **** moron.
Wyc should hang his head in shame.
Red would have trashed him a long time ago & spit cigar juice in his face.

Do not trade Brogdon.
Outstanding baller & pure class persona. He will give us even MORE than his well deserved 6MOTY performance w/o Marcus.

[zoyathedestroya]

Towns name floated around in the trade market during the draft.