Miami Heat Off-season Thread 9.0 - Dame’s BBW Edition

[HEATVols865]

Herro will never be a winner in the NBA. Playoff choke artist. Regular season player.

[IceColdCubano]

Dame Dolla new music video - throws some shade at the people who turn on him out of the blue.
If he was producing this after he asked to be traded should be no issues, but if his music video production was before he asked out people are gonna throw shade at him saying he had this planned no matter what.

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Not really. Tyler doesn't really have any other options. He knows as much as everyone his value around the league is low. It's not like if he demands a trade there's gonna be a lineup. If Dame doesn't work out, Tyler and Heat would be stuck together for atleast one season. His agent would advise him keep your head down and prove everyone else wrong for atleast one season. Then if he has a good season he can start asking out. So I don't a foresee a situation where Herro is being a malcontent in the locker-room. That only works if you have options

Not to you oreon, but who cares if they "ruined" that relationship. If he had shown more improvement in his game they wouldn't be wanting to move on from him.

I don't follow the off the court rumors too much, but I definitely can see some players being distracted from their true potential in cities like Miami.

[IceColdCubano]

Were over here stressing about the Lillard trade all the while Mr. Himmy is out there clapping cheeks taking names and drinking coffee.

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[Wiltside]

Jimmy double checking that those hips don’t lie.

[MorbidHEAT]

Were over here stressing about the Lillard trade all the while Mr. Himmy is out there clapping cheeks taking names and drinking coffee.

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Good for him. In my humble opinion, that woman has gotten finer as she’s aged. My boy Jimmy is having the time of his life right now.

[miamiballer]

I think that they are just friends, doesn’t jimmy have a serious gf and a kid

[RexBoyWonder]

chit source but Wood might become the steal of free agency if we can get him to buy in

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[greg4012]

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4 FRPs and salary filler should be sufficient. Keep the kids.

If Herro and Lowry are going out and just Lillard is coming back, that's cutting 10 mil off the team's salary for this season. I guess we better get use to Robinson on this roster for 2 more years and then his partial guarantee that 5th year will be a positive asset vs what he is now because it's looking like another 2 more seasons of weak and ones from Duncan.

Just bball wise it’s a great fit to keep Duncan. Salary wise is a whole different discussion lol

[Kobewade11]

chit source but Wood might become the steal of free agency if we can get him to buy in

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Yea right. If dude had offers higher than the min he'd sign already.

[The Dawg]

chit source but Wood might become the steal of free agency if we can get him to buy in

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Heat really interested in taking on another Whiteside type personality?

[twozeroMM]

chit source but Wood might become the steal of free agency if we can get him to buy in

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Heat really interested in taking on another Whiteside type personality?

For the min I’m sure they are, if it doesn’t work we can just waive him.

[AirP.]

4 FRPs and salary filler should be sufficient. Keep the kids.

If Herro and Lowry are going out and just Lillard is coming back, that's cutting 10 mil off the team's salary for this season. I guess we better get use to Robinson on this roster for 2 more years and then his partial guarantee that 5th year will be a positive asset vs what he is now because it's looking like another 2 more seasons of weak and ones from Duncan.

Just bball wise it’s a great fit to keep Duncan. Salary wise is a whole different discussion lol

Why? Has it been his .378 and .328 3% the last 2 seasons? He shot much better in the playoffs but he played 12 mpg 2 playoffs ago and a 18 mpg this last playoffs. Some of us had been calling for letting Robinson walk and just going with Strus a couple of seasons ago (although this time we don't have a developing 3pt shooter) and is he really going to be needed this next season? Depending on who is moved,if the Lillard trade goes through Miami is looking like...

PG - Lillard
SG - Richardson - Martin/JJJ
SF - Butler - Martin/JJJ/Cain
PF - Love - Highsmith/Martin/Jovic
C - Bam - Bryant/O.Robinson

With probably Martin, Highsmith, JJJ, Bryant, and possibly Jovic, O.Robinson, Bouyea and Cain.

So you have Dame bombing 3s, with Richardson and Love bombing 3s (although Love won't get a ton of mintues), and when the backs are in Martin, Highsmith, JJJ and even Bryant will shoot some 3s. I would expect with Butler asking for Miami to go after Lillard he has to know he's going to have to shoot more catch and shoot 3s and should be working on that aspect of his game more and more as he gets older for less wear and tear on his body. He needs to get back to 3.5 to 4.5 3s a game, he has to help create space for Lillard.

Right now, the biggest issue is backup PG who's good enough to start some games to let Lillard rest. They need a PG willing to go to Miami on the minimum to showcase their worth to get a better contract next year somewhere else. I like Bouyea but I'd like for him to have a year of development in Miami before getting bigger minutes.

Jovic... the way he wants to play, the handling of the ball so much, he's probably a couple of years away and I'm not sure you want to limit his game to be helpful for a contender. Jovic is barely 20 now at a big man's position, Bam didn't really contribute a whole lot until his 3rd season at age 22. I'd much rather see him develop more as one of the main options in the D-League vs playing a PJ Tucker role.

[greg4012]

If Herro and Lowry are going out and just Lillard is coming back, that's cutting 10 mil off the team's salary for this season. I guess we better get use to Robinson on this roster for 2 more years and then his partial guarantee that 5th year will be a positive asset vs what he is now because it's looking like another 2 more seasons of weak and ones from Duncan.

Just bball wise it’s a great fit to keep Duncan. Salary wise is a whole different discussion lol

Why? Has it been his .378 and .328 3% the last 2 seasons? He shot much better in the playoffs but he played 12 mpg 2 playoffs ago and a 18 mpg this last playoffs. Some of us had been calling for letting Robinson walk and just going with Strus a couple of seasons ago (although this time we don't have a developing 3pt shooter) and is he really going to be needed this next season? Depending on who is moved,if the Lillard trade goes through Miami is looking like...

PG - Lillard
SG - Richardson - Martin/JJJ
SF - Butler - Martin/JJJ/Cain
PF - Love - Highsmith/Martin/Jovic
C - Bam - Bryant/O.Robinson

With probably Martin, Highsmith, JJJ, Bryant, and possibly Jovic, O.Robinson, Bouyea and Cain.

So you have Dame bombing 3s, with Richardson and Love bombing 3s (although Love won't get a ton of mintues), and when the backs are in Martin, Highsmith, JJJ and even Bryant will shoot some 3s. I would expect with Butler asking for Miami to go after Lillard he has to know he's going to have to shoot more catch and shoot 3s and should be working on that aspect of his game more and more as he gets older for less wear and tear on his body. He needs to get back to 3.5 to 4.5 3s a game, he has to help create space for Lillard.

Right now, the biggest issue is backup PG who's good enough to start some games to let Lillard rest. They need a PG willing to go to Miami on the minimum to showcase their worth to get a better contract next year somewhere else. I like Bouyea but I'd like for him to have a year of development in Miami before getting bigger minutes.

Jovic... the way he wants to play, the handling of the ball so much, he's probably a couple of years away and I'm not sure you want to limit his game to be helpful for a contender. Jovic is barely 20 now at a big man's position, Bam didn't really contribute a whole lot until his 3rd season at age 22. I'd much rather see him develop more as one of the main options in the D-League vs playing a PJ Tucker role.

You know the answer--Bam and Jimmy are foundational pieces of this team and neither are true 3-point shooters. We need that floor to stay spaced out. Adding Dame would obviously be a perfect fit, but I don't want to put the near full burden of floor spacing on him. Why not have more?

Duncan's a true movement shooter that can get off contested 3s and forces the defense to stick to him beyond the 3 point line. No one else on the hypothetical roster would have that skillset--which Spo is fantastic at utilizing.

I know Duncan has had his stretches of stinking it up, but I'm a believer that his shooting woes have been more mental than anything else. I firmly believe Duncan is one of the best pure shooters in the NBA (esp when accounting for movement shooting and contested shots).

I will not think twice about it if Duncan is shipped off in the deal. But, if the end result is that the deal gets done and we keep Duncan, I firmly believe he will prove to be a useful part of the rotation. Strus is gone. I'm getting hopeful that Drew Peterson has next, but I don't expect him to be ready this season. Give Spo (and Bam) a good movement shooter and it's just another fruitful lever for the offense.

[Beenie]

Just bball wise it’s a great fit to keep Duncan. Salary wise is a whole different discussion lol

Why? Has it been his .378 and .328 3% the last 2 seasons? He shot much better in the playoffs but he played 12 mpg 2 playoffs ago and a 18 mpg this last playoffs. Some of us had been calling for letting Robinson walk and just going with Strus a couple of seasons ago (although this time we don't have a developing 3pt shooter) and is he really going to be needed this next season? Depending on who is moved,if the Lillard trade goes through Miami is looking like...

PG - Lillard
SG - Richardson - Martin/JJJ
SF - Butler - Martin/JJJ/Cain
PF - Love - Highsmith/Martin/Jovic
C - Bam - Bryant/O.Robinson

With probably Martin, Highsmith, JJJ, Bryant, and possibly Jovic, O.Robinson, Bouyea and Cain.

So you have Dame bombing 3s, with Richardson and Love bombing 3s (although Love won't get a ton of mintues), and when the backs are in Martin, Highsmith, JJJ and even Bryant will shoot some 3s. I would expect with Butler asking for Miami to go after Lillard he has to know he's going to have to shoot more catch and shoot 3s and should be working on that aspect of his game more and more as he gets older for less wear and tear on his body. He needs to get back to 3.5 to 4.5 3s a game, he has to help create space for Lillard.

Right now, the biggest issue is backup PG who's good enough to start some games to let Lillard rest. They need a PG willing to go to Miami on the minimum to showcase their worth to get a better contract next year somewhere else. I like Bouyea but I'd like for him to have a year of development in Miami before getting bigger minutes.

Jovic... the way he wants to play, the handling of the ball so much, he's probably a couple of years away and I'm not sure you want to limit his game to be helpful for a contender. Jovic is barely 20 now at a big man's position, Bam didn't really contribute a whole lot until his 3rd season at age 22. I'd much rather see him develop more as one of the main options in the D-League vs playing a PJ Tucker role.

You know the answer--Bam and Jimmy are foundational pieces of this team and neither are true 3-point shooters. We need that floor to stay spaced out. Adding Dame would obviously be a perfect fit, but I don't want to put the near full burden of floor spacing on him. Why not have more?

Duncan's a true movement shooter that can get off contested 3s and forces the defense to stick to him beyond the 3 point line. No one else on the hypothetical roster would have that skillset--which Spo is fantastic at utilizing.

I know Duncan has had his stretches of stinking it up, but I'm a believer that his shooting woes have been more mental than anything else. I firmly believe Duncan is one of the best pure shooters in the NBA (esp when accounting for movement shooting and contested shots).

I will not think twice about it if Duncan is shipped off in the deal. But, if the end result is that the deal gets done and we keep Duncan, I firmly believe he will prove to be a useful part of the rotation. Strus is gone. I'm getting hopeful that Drew Peterson has next, but I don't expect him to be ready this season. Give Spo (and Bam) a good movement shooter and it's just another fruitful lever for the offense.

Most of us have been extremely hard on Duncan, me especially, but I admit that I'm intrigued with the idea of him staying on a reshappened roster that includes Dame.

He would figure to see the most wide open shots of his career playing next to Dame.

All shooters are streaky at times, even the very best.

Duncan seemed to have broken his slump during the playoffs and played with confidence.

Hopefully, his confidence is sustainable moving forward.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yea we need to get Wood, power rotation is still very weak and he adds a dynamic we haven’t had there in awhile. Offensively he’s like a Bosh-lite but defensively he needs to improve. I remember he was locked in some for the Mavs last year and actually had some big defensive games and his impact numbers were nuts early on, no clue how they were to finish the season. The talent is there; he may just need the right situation and he should be highly motivated after not getting paid

[AirP.]

Just bball wise it’s a great fit to keep Duncan. Salary wise is a whole different discussion lol

Why? Has it been his .378 and .328 3% the last 2 seasons? He shot much better in the playoffs but he played 12 mpg 2 playoffs ago and a 18 mpg this last playoffs. Some of us had been calling for letting Robinson walk and just going with Strus a couple of seasons ago (although this time we don't have a developing 3pt shooter) and is he really going to be needed this next season? Depending on who is moved,if the Lillard trade goes through Miami is looking like...

PG - Lillard
SG - Richardson - Martin/JJJ
SF - Butler - Martin/JJJ/Cain
PF - Love - Highsmith/Martin/Jovic
C - Bam - Bryant/O.Robinson

With probably Martin, Highsmith, JJJ, Bryant, and possibly Jovic, O.Robinson, Bouyea and Cain.

So you have Dame bombing 3s, with Richardson and Love bombing 3s (although Love won't get a ton of mintues), and when the backs are in Martin, Highsmith, JJJ and even Bryant will shoot some 3s. I would expect with Butler asking for Miami to go after Lillard he has to know he's going to have to shoot more catch and shoot 3s and should be working on that aspect of his game more and more as he gets older for less wear and tear on his body. He needs to get back to 3.5 to 4.5 3s a game, he has to help create space for Lillard.

Right now, the biggest issue is backup PG who's good enough to start some games to let Lillard rest. They need a PG willing to go to Miami on the minimum to showcase their worth to get a better contract next year somewhere else. I like Bouyea but I'd like for him to have a year of development in Miami before getting bigger minutes.

Jovic... the way he wants to play, the handling of the ball so much, he's probably a couple of years away and I'm not sure you want to limit his game to be helpful for a contender. Jovic is barely 20 now at a big man's position, Bam didn't really contribute a whole lot until his 3rd season at age 22. I'd much rather see him develop more as one of the main options in the D-League vs playing a PJ Tucker role.

You know the answer--Bam and Jimmy are foundational pieces of this team and neither are true 3-point shooters. We need that floor to stay spaced out. Adding Dame would obviously be a perfect fit, but I don't want to put the near full burden of floor spacing on him. Why not have more?

Duncan's a true movement shooter that can get off contested 3s and forces the defense to stick to him beyond the 3 point line. No one else on the hypothetical roster would have that skillset--which Spo is fantastic at utilizing.

I know Duncan has had his stretches of stinking it up, but I'm a believer that his shooting woes have been more mental than anything else. I firmly believe Duncan is one of the best pure shooters in the NBA (esp when accounting for movement shooting and contested shots).

I will not think twice about it if Duncan is shipped off in the deal. But, if the end result is that the deal gets done and we keep Duncan, I firmly believe he will prove to be a useful part of the rotation. Strus is gone. I'm getting hopeful that Drew Peterson has next, but I don't expect him to be ready this season. Give Spo (and Bam) a good movement shooter and it's just another fruitful lever for the offense.

Butler can shoot 3s but since he's turned into a main option and playmaker he's looked for others to do that, if Lillard ends up in Miami, Butler is no longer the main option or playmaker and with that will have to shoot more 3s in a supporting role of Lillard's so I expect that to happen. Bam is a different story, he could start shooting 3s and be good enough if shooting while wide open but I wouldn't bet on him shooting 3s quite yet. Richardson can hit 3s and play defense, I expect if Robinson stays around he's probably no longer starting.

What's going to be interesting is that some player's we're not expecting are going to get the green light to jack some 3s to see if this freedom helps their scoring efficiency. I think Richardson, Cain and Highsmith see a nice uptick in their 3pta rates.

Peterson may be the next guy Miami decides to develop but he's not going to be ready this season. I expect a more rounded 3pt attack this year although some will shoot more than others of course.

Unless Robinson is hitting at a good rate of 3s... say over 38%, he'll be an overall negative for the team. 38% puts him right around league average for scoring and he's still a negative on defense.

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I’ll let it play out first

[greg4012]

Why? Has it been his .378 and .328 3% the last 2 seasons? He shot much better in the playoffs but he played 12 mpg 2 playoffs ago and a 18 mpg this last playoffs. Some of us had been calling for letting Robinson walk and just going with Strus a couple of seasons ago (although this time we don't have a developing 3pt shooter) and is he really going to be needed this next season? Depending on who is moved,if the Lillard trade goes through Miami is looking like...

PG - Lillard
SG - Richardson - Martin/JJJ
SF - Butler - Martin/JJJ/Cain
PF - Love - Highsmith/Martin/Jovic
C - Bam - Bryant/O.Robinson

With probably Martin, Highsmith, JJJ, Bryant, and possibly Jovic, O.Robinson, Bouyea and Cain.

So you have Dame bombing 3s, with Richardson and Love bombing 3s (although Love won't get a ton of mintues), and when the backs are in Martin, Highsmith, JJJ and even Bryant will shoot some 3s. I would expect with Butler asking for Miami to go after Lillard he has to know he's going to have to shoot more catch and shoot 3s and should be working on that aspect of his game more and more as he gets older for less wear and tear on his body. He needs to get back to 3.5 to 4.5 3s a game, he has to help create space for Lillard.

Right now, the biggest issue is backup PG who's good enough to start some games to let Lillard rest. They need a PG willing to go to Miami on the minimum to showcase their worth to get a better contract next year somewhere else. I like Bouyea but I'd like for him to have a year of development in Miami before getting bigger minutes.

Jovic... the way he wants to play, the handling of the ball so much, he's probably a couple of years away and I'm not sure you want to limit his game to be helpful for a contender. Jovic is barely 20 now at a big man's position, Bam didn't really contribute a whole lot until his 3rd season at age 22. I'd much rather see him develop more as one of the main options in the D-League vs playing a PJ Tucker role.

You know the answer--Bam and Jimmy are foundational pieces of this team and neither are true 3-point shooters. We need that floor to stay spaced out. Adding Dame would obviously be a perfect fit, but I don't want to put the near full burden of floor spacing on him. Why not have more?

Duncan's a true movement shooter that can get off contested 3s and forces the defense to stick to him beyond the 3 point line. No one else on the hypothetical roster would have that skillset--which Spo is fantastic at utilizing.

I know Duncan has had his stretches of stinking it up, but I'm a believer that his shooting woes have been more mental than anything else. I firmly believe Duncan is one of the best pure shooters in the NBA (esp when accounting for movement shooting and contested shots).

I will not think twice about it if Duncan is shipped off in the deal. But, if the end result is that the deal gets done and we keep Duncan, I firmly believe he will prove to be a useful part of the rotation. Strus is gone. I'm getting hopeful that Drew Peterson has next, but I don't expect him to be ready this season. Give Spo (and Bam) a good movement shooter and it's just another fruitful lever for the offense.

Butler can shoot 3s but since he's turned into a main option and playmaker he's looked for others to do that, if Lillard ends up in Miami, Butler is no longer the main option or playmaker and with that will have to shoot more 3s in a supporting role of Lillard's so I expect that to happen. Bam is a different story, he could start shooting 3s and be good enough if shooting while wide open but I wouldn't bet on him shooting 3s quite yet. Richardson can hit 3s and play defense, I expect if Robinson stays around he's probably no longer starting.

What's going to be interesting is that some player's we're not expecting are going to get the green light to jack some 3s to see if this freedom helps their scoring efficiency. I think Richardson, Cain and Highsmith see a nice uptick in their 3pta rates.

Peterson may be the next guy Miami decides to develop but he's not going to be ready this season. I expect a more rounded 3pt attack this year although some will shoot more than others of course.

Unless Robinson is hitting at a good rate of 3s... say over 38%, he'll be an overall negative for the team. 38% puts him right around league average for scoring and he's still a negative on defense.

Spacing spacing spacing.

None of those dudes are the same quick trigger out deep. It's a different element that Duncan and Strus both provided upon running routes along the floor causing defensive movement and attention. Spo would say the same.

It doesn't have to be Duncan, but I'm unsure of the other guys on our roster doing it (maybe Love minus the half-court route running but I expect his minutes to be very managed). It could even be a vet min add like Terrence Ross. It's just a helpful skillset to keep in the rotation as another form of generating offense--pin downs, DHOs, etc.

It is what it is. It's ok if we see it differently.