2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins

[garrick]

"Jones was a driving force in the decision to fire Monty Williams, sources tell Windhorst".

Most thought it's Ishbia/Isaiah behind this decision, but apparently it was Jones who was pushing for a championship level coach.

Damn I wonder if this was JJ trying to blame Monty for the team's failures to save his own job?

Even though Monty had his faults a lot of it falls on JJ and his failure to secure a proper bench and find a decent backup for CP3.

[sunsbg]

"Jones was a driving force in the decision to fire Monty Williams, sources tell Windhorst".

Most thought it's Ishbia/Isaiah behind this decision, but apparently it was Jones who was pushing for a championship level coach.

Damn I wonder if this was JJ trying to blame Monty for the team's failures to save his own job?

Even though Monty had his faults a lot of it falls on JJ and his failure to secure a proper bench and find a decent backup for CP3.

Jones has done a good job this offseason without the restrictions.

[Sunsdeuce]

Vogel loves Ayton and some of you need to get over it. He’s not getting traded.

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[King4Day]

"Jones was a driving force in the decision to fire Monty Williams, sources tell Windhorst".

Most thought it's Ishbia/Isaiah behind this decision, but apparently it was Jones who was pushing for a championship level coach.

Damn I wonder if this was JJ trying to blame Monty for the team's failures to save his own job?

Even though Monty had his faults a lot of it falls on JJ and his failure to secure a proper bench and find a decent backup for CP3.

I'd think Ishbia is smart enough to know who he needed to stay and go.
If he had any issues with Jones, he would have fired both and brought in his own crew.

[Sunsdeuce]

"Jones was a driving force in the decision to fire Monty Williams, sources tell Windhorst".

Most thought it's Ishbia/Isaiah behind this decision, but apparently it was Jones who was pushing for a championship level coach.

Damn I wonder if this was JJ trying to blame Monty for the team's failures to save his own job?

Even though Monty had his faults a lot of it falls on JJ and his failure to secure a proper bench and find a decent backup for CP3.

So are we gonna ignore the fact, Monty straight up said he didn’t run an offense. Or that Monty would let the other team go on 15-0 runs before he would call a time out? Or the fact be played misguided bias mind games and favored players like Shamet. Or that Monty couldn’t develop younger players. Or that he lost the lockerroom. Or that two years in a row we get blown out in deciding games.

Monty was is one of the worst Xs and Os coaches in the league. And that’s a fact!

And yes Jones has been subpar the last 3 years in trades and improving the roster. Personally I think Jones is not a good GM. But Monty had a LOT of coaching issues that couldn’t be ignored!

[sunsbg]

Vogel loves Ayton and some of you need to get over it. He’s not getting traded.

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Absolutely. It was clear from his first interview. Some people still in denial though.

Excited to see what Vogel can bring out of DA defensively.

[enigmatics]

Vogel loves Ayton and some of you need to get over it. He’s not getting traded.

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He says he's off to a great start from a relationship standpoint and some jive about getting big men to run thru a wall - which is funny because that is clearly NOT Deandre's personality type. I mean maybe he could get his Playstation Live video game avatar to do it?

That's ALL he said though. There's nothing in here about his feelings on a trade and keep in mind he hasn't even coached him in the regular season yet - not even 1 game. Yeah, the man they begrudgingly gave a max contract extension whom they've fielded legitimate calls for is "definitely" never getting traded. Like huh?

[Fo-Real]

Vogel loves Ayton and some of you need to get over it. He’s not getting traded.

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Absolutely. It was clear from his first interview. Some people still in denial though.

Excited to see what Vogel can bring out of DA defensively.

Not in denial, just know its a business. What he said is absolutely correct and even if you had plans to trade him, **** falls apart sometimes and you better not have burned the bridge you are standing on. We all knew that this day is the day that Ayton lost his veto power AND could be traded to the team that HE signed to go play for. It only makes sense to wonder if the quiet talks were hinging on this. If it stays quiet after today, THEN you can puff out ya chest and say you knew all along BUT today marks the make sense date for the rumors to heat up, because he couldn't be traded to Indy before anyway.

[enigmatics]

Vogel loves Ayton and some of you need to get over it. He’s not getting traded.

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Absolutely. It was clear from his first interview. Some people still in denial though.

Excited to see what Vogel can bring out of DA defensively.

Not in denial, just know its a business. What he said is absolutely correct and even if you had plans to trade him, **** falls apart sometimes and you better not have burned the bridge you are standing on. We all knew that this day is the day that Ayton lost his veto power AND could be traded to the team that HE signed to go play for. It only makes sense to wonder if the quiet talks were hinging on this. If it stays quiet after today, THEN you can puff out ya chest and say you knew all along BUT today marks the make sense date for the rumors to heat up, because he couldn't be traded to Indy before anyway.

Even if he makes it to the regular season - "in my opinion" (notice I'm prefacing it with that) if he doesn't buy-in this team isn't going to wait all the way to the ASB to move him and allow whatever is left of his trade value to deteriorate even more. We already learned from last year that waiting that long can prove extremely counterproductive.

I'd imagine the leash will be very short.

[enigmatics]

Thought this was interesting given some of the talk of roster consistency in here yesterday:

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[SunsRback4Good]

Vogel loves Ayton and some of you need to get over it. He’s not getting traded.

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Absolutely. It was clear from his first interview. Some people still in denial though.

Excited to see what Vogel can bring out of DA defensively.

It’s been said time and time again there aren’t many #1 centers you can draft who put up a near 20/10 type of numbers while 3 & D guys are easier to acquire. People are forgetting how well Ayton played for us in 21 and only focus on the last couple of years. Don’t be surprised if 21 Ayton comes swinging out of the gates to begin the season. Vogul is going to make him a better player just watch.

[kennydorglas]

July 15th around the corner.
Time to finish this offseason with a A+ grade.

[sunsbg]

Not in denial, just know its a business. What he said is absolutely correct and even if you had plans to trade him, **** falls apart sometimes and you better not have burned the bridge you are standing on. We all knew that this day is the day that Ayton lost his veto power AND could be traded to the team that HE signed to go play for. It only makes sense to wonder if the quiet talks were hinging on this. If it stays quiet after today, THEN you can puff out ya chest and say you knew all along BUT today marks the make sense date for the rumors to heat up, because he couldn't be traded to Indy before anyway.

I don't know anything more than you regarding what's going to happen, but I truly believe Vogel is happy to have DA on the team being he knows what he's capable of after coaching against him in that Lakers series. The Ayton haters probably truly believe Vogel talks him up for a trade. That's the difference. In the end they can trade him for a good package or for financial reasons. And people are putting their hopes on 15th like a trade could not be announced in advance.

[enigmatics]

Not in denial, just know its a business. What he said is absolutely correct and even if you had plans to trade him, **** falls apart sometimes and you better not have burned the bridge you are standing on. We all knew that this day is the day that Ayton lost his veto power AND could be traded to the team that HE signed to go play for. It only makes sense to wonder if the quiet talks were hinging on this. If it stays quiet after today, THEN you can puff out ya chest and say you knew all along BUT today marks the make sense date for the rumors to heat up, because he couldn't be traded to Indy before anyway.

I don't know anything more than you regarding what's going to happen, but I truly believe Vogel is happy to have DA on the team being he knows what he's capable of after coaching against him in that Lakers series. The Ayton haters probably truly believe Vogel talks him up for a trade. That's the difference. In the end they can trade him for a good package or for financial reasons. And people are putting their hopes on 15th like a trade could not be announced in advance.

The Ayton "haters" truly believe Vogel talks him up strictly because they think he's going to get traded much like the Ayton balloon knot lickers believe Vogel talks him up because he's the Landry to his Monty. I mean what are we talking about here?

Regardless of whether a trade is going to happen or not - Vogel is going to talk him up. That's an undeniable fact, especially when it comes to a guy who's stock has dropped as significantly as it has and the Suns need to hedge their bets. Vogel is also NOT the GM. He has to play the cards he's dealt.

[sunsbg]

Not in denial, just know its a business. What he said is absolutely correct and even if you had plans to trade him, **** falls apart sometimes and you better not have burned the bridge you are standing on. We all knew that this day is the day that Ayton lost his veto power AND could be traded to the team that HE signed to go play for. It only makes sense to wonder if the quiet talks were hinging on this. If it stays quiet after today, THEN you can puff out ya chest and say you knew all along BUT today marks the make sense date for the rumors to heat up, because he couldn't be traded to Indy before anyway.

I don't know anything more than you regarding what's going to happen, but I truly believe Vogel is happy to have DA on the team being he knows what he's capable of after coaching against him in that Lakers series. The Ayton haters probably truly believe Vogel talks him up for a trade. That's the difference. In the end they can trade him for a good package or for financial reasons. And people are putting their hopes on 15th like a trade could not be announced in advance.

The Ayton "haters" truly believe Vogel talks him up strictly because they think he's going to get traded much like the Ayton balloon knot lickers believe Vogel talks him up because he's the Landry to his Monty. I mean what are we talking about here?

Regardless of whether a trade is going to happen or not - Vogel is going to talk him up. That's an undeniable fact, especially when it comes to a guy who's stock has dropped as significantly as it has and the Suns need to hedge their bets. Vogel is also NOT the GM. He has to play the cards he's dealt.

I'm not denying what you say, but I think you have a problem with my take that Vogel actually feels pretty good about having the opportunity to coach DA.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Thought this was interesting given some of the talk of roster consistency in here yesterday:

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Basically the 90% of the league turns over in 4 years increments.

It's why I get a kick out of people worrying about the suns projected roster in like 2028.

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[Cutter]

Not in denial, just know its a business. What he said is absolutely correct and even if you had plans to trade him, **** falls apart sometimes and you better not have burned the bridge you are standing on. We all knew that this day is the day that Ayton lost his veto power AND could be traded to the team that HE signed to go play for. It only makes sense to wonder if the quiet talks were hinging on this. If it stays quiet after today, THEN you can puff out ya chest and say you knew all along BUT today marks the make sense date for the rumors to heat up, because he couldn't be traded to Indy before anyway.

I don't know anything more than you regarding what's going to happen, but I truly believe Vogel is happy to have DA on the team being he knows what he's capable of after coaching against him in that Lakers series. The Ayton haters probably truly believe Vogel talks him up for a trade. That's the difference. In the end they can trade him for a good package or for financial reasons. And people are putting their hopes on 15th like a trade could not be announced in advance.

The Ayton "haters" truly believe Vogel talks him up strictly because they think he's going to get traded much like the Ayton balloon knot lickers believe Vogel talks him up because he's the Landry to his Monty. I mean what are we talking about here?

Regardless of whether a trade is going to happen or not - Vogel is going to talk him up. That's an undeniable fact, especially when it comes to a guy who's stock has dropped as significantly as it has and the Suns need to hedge their bets. Vogel is also NOT the GM. He has to play the cards he's dealt.

LOL! What does that mean?

[Slim Charless]

Fewer dunks too which might bother a lot of people.

. I know you say this as a little rib shot to the Ayton haters that think he should dunk more but it’s kind lame because in fact he should be finishing stronger. That’ll never happen though, we both know that.

He's saying that because you ppl constantly whine about Ayton. The 1st few years you only had dunks to cry about so you did. There was legit stuff to complain about but alot of you guys don't know basketball and don't understand what you're watching so "dUnKzZZzZ iZ KeWl" became your mantra.

[enigmatics]

I'm not denying what you say, but I think you have a problem with my take that Vogel actually feels pretty good about having the opportunity to coach DA.

I have zero problems when it comes to your opinion - trust me. It's quite feasible Vogel was indeed impressed by what he saw in DA back in the '20/'21 playoffs and thinks he has potential. The "P" word has never been the issue though and anyone with a functioning brain can see it. How DA's brain functions is an entirely different story and one at the center of his issues.

I just think it's funny when people try to glean anything regarding trade or no trade from generic sound clips like the one you posted. I've already posted proof of Vogel in his career LITERALLY talking up players that he traded shortly after. Put it this way - if the Suns were not going to consider any trades of DA they would have already made it clear he's untouchable.

[Fo-Real]

I don't know anything more than you regarding what's going to happen, but I truly believe Vogel is happy to have DA on the team being he knows what he's capable of after coaching against him in that Lakers series. The Ayton haters probably truly believe Vogel talks him up for a trade. That's the difference. In the end they can trade him for a good package or for financial reasons. And people are putting their hopes on 15th like a trade could not be announced in advance.

The Ayton "haters" truly believe Vogel talks him up strictly because they think he's going to get traded much like the Ayton balloon knot lickers believe Vogel talks him up because he's the Landry to his Monty. I mean what are we talking about here?

Regardless of whether a trade is going to happen or not - Vogel is going to talk him up. That's an undeniable fact, especially when it comes to a guy who's stock has dropped as significantly as it has and the Suns need to hedge their bets. Vogel is also NOT the GM. He has to play the cards he's dealt.

LOL! What does that mean?

If you dont know, then you are too young to find out!!