Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

BK_2020 · Post #601 » by **BK_2020** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:11 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:

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oh no now all those superstar free agents who were going to sign with Portland will go elsewhere

Curmudgeon · Post #602 » by **Curmudgeon** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:12 pm

There's still hope so long as he hasn't signed.

31to6 · Post #603 » by **31to6** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:17 pm

maybe time for a "who is your favorite somewhat realistic JB trade target?" thread

I vote Garland. Who CLE obviously shouldn't trade for an expiring.

Edit: I made such a poll. It's limited to ten options so sorry if your favorite option is for some reason like LaVine and he's not there.

Hal14 · Post #604 » by **Hal14** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:30 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:
robdog_5 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:So what is the updated list of guys we could possibly, maybe, realistically trade JB for?

Somewhat realistic:
-Dame-yes
-Siakam-no
-OG-no
-Zion-yes

Less realistic
-Trae-no
-Ingram-yes
-Towns-no (now that we have porzingis)
-Mikal Bridges-yes
-Garland-yes
-Mitchell-yes
-Lavine-no (injuries)
-Derozan-no
-Paul George-hmmmmm yes only cause he's like one of my favorites but that would be not wise probably
-Markannen-no
-Giannis-of course
-Embiid-of course
-Doncic-or course

Who would you trade straight up for Jaylen 1 for 1 saying all money was equal? For me I maked my above.

"Less realistic" for the last three guys must mean "well, its at least theoretically possible it could happen in the sense trade rules don't prevent it."

Those 3 guys would only happen if they ask out. And if they ask out, we could offer JB + other players to match salary + picks. Admittedly, its a less realistic scenario b/c they're unlikely to ask out (at least probably not this summer)

Patsfan1081 · Post #605 » by **Patsfan1081** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:31 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:

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oh no now all those superstar free agents who were going to sign with Portland will go elsewhere

As was the original report that he only wanted to play in Miami by the Miami Herald. Not sure why this is going under the radar…

GoCeltics123 · Post #606 » by **GoCeltics123** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:33 pm

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I doubt it's this simple, but if it is, just give it to him lol

Hal14 · Post #607 » by **Hal14** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:41 pm

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Hmmmm...

-I added a 1st round pick headed to New Orleans, because Zion is younger, the perception is that he's the better player w/ higher upside and has 5 yrs left on his deal (only 1 for JB)
-However, Zion has had more issues with injuries, staying in shape, off-court drama. JB has been on 5 teams that made conference finals and 1 team that made NBA finals (0 conference finals trips for Zion), so the gap in value here shouldn't be that big. 1st round pick to New Orleans should be fine
-Obviously, this deal (if it's done) happens with JB giving New orleans his word that he'll extend with them. But idk, might not be the best fit with JB + Ingram. So this might have to be a 3 team deal where Zion comes to Boston, JB goes to a 3rd team (possibly Atlanta, possibly Toronto with Siakam headed to New Orleans) and the 3rd team sends assets to new orleans
-if we get Zion, we don't really need Rob so much anymore. Either Rob or Al would probably get moved and Rob is the one with any trade value (especially since Al isn't an expiring contract that a team might want). So either in the same deal (or perhaps a different one) you may move Rob for help at guard/wing..

keevsnick1 · Post #608 » by **keevsnick1** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:42 pm

GoCeltics123 wrote:

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I doubt it's this simple, but if it is, just give it to him lol

If the c's think they are going to trade him why do they care about a player option? If they decide to trade him two years from now in summer 2025 he'll either have 4 years left on his deal, or 3+1 if he gets a player option. There's not some huge difference in value there for a team acquiring him.

I'd get why Brown wants it, either way. Being a free agent a year earlier better positions him for one final huge contract at age 31.

fallguy · Post #609 » by **fallguy** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:43 pm

Hal14 wrote:

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Hmmmm...

-I added a 1st round pick headed to New Orleans, because Zion is younger, the perception is that he's the better player w/ higher upside and has 5 yrs left on his deal (only 1 for JB)
-However, Zion has had more issues with injuries, staying in shape, off-court drama. JB has been on 5 teams that made conference finals and 1 team that made NBA finals (0 conference finals trips for Zion), so the gap in value here shouldn't be that big. 1st round pick to New Orleans should be fine
-Obviously, this deal (if it's done) happens with JB giving New orleans his word that he'll extend with them. But idk, might not be the best fit with JB + Ingram. So this might have to be a 3 team deal where Zion comes to Boston, JB goes to a 3rd team (possibly Atlanta, possibly Toronto with Siakam headed to New Orleans) and the 3rd team sends assets to new orleans

The Celtics adding another oft-injured and unreliable player to this high risk roster would be quite the move.

lon3lytoaster · Post #610 » by **lon3lytoaster** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:43 pm

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lol for someone who felt like he was underpaid on his last deal, he's not rushing to get the bag here. Hope he doesn't see any plants that need watering on his trip.

Post #611 » by **165bows** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:43 pm

Anyone else suggested yet Jaylen just wants to wait to get some spotlight? Not remotely out of the question.

greg4012 · Post #612 » by **greg4012** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:44 pm

Patsfan1081 wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:

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oh no now all those superstar free agents who were going to sign with Portland will go elsewhere

As was the original report that he only wanted to play in Miami by the Miami Herald. Not sure why this is going under the radar…

Chris Haynes

Post #613 » by **darrendaye** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:45 pm

165bows wrote:Anyone else suggested yet Jaylen just wants to wait to get some spotlight? Not remotely out of the question.

Yes. The story of him handing out clothes from his line at summer league wouldn't garner much attention if the spotlight wasn't brighter.

keevsnick1 · Post #614 » by **keevsnick1** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:46 pm

fallguy wrote:
Hal14 wrote:

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Hmmmm...

-I added a 1st round pick headed to New Orleans, because Zion is younger, the perception is that he's the better player w/ higher upside and has 5 yrs left on his deal (only 1 for JB)
-However, Zion has had more issues with injuries, staying in shape, off-court drama. JB has been on 5 teams that made conference finals and 1 team that made NBA finals (0 conference finals trips for Zion), so the gap in value here shouldn't be that big. 1st round pick to New Orleans should be fine
-Obviously, this deal (if it's done) happens with JB giving New orleans his word that he'll extend with them. But idk, might not be the best fit with JB + Ingram. So this might have to be a 3 team deal where Zion comes to Boston, JB goes to a 3rd team (possibly Atlanta, possibly Toronto with Siakam headed to New Orleans) and the 3rd team sends assets to new orleans

The Celtics adding another oft-injured and unreliable player to this high risk roster would be quite the move.

If you have 4 big men who are old/injured, that's gotta be at least as valuable as 2-3 healthy ones right? That's totally how basketball works

Post #615 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:47 pm

Jaylen still at that event?

Post #616 » by **Parliament10** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:47 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:
GoCeltics123 wrote:

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I doubt it's this simple, but if it is, just give it to him lol

If the c's think they are going to trade him why do they care about a player option? If they decide to trade him two years from now in summer 2025 he'll either have 4 years left on his deal, or 3+1 if he gets a player option. There's not some huge difference in value there for a team acquiring him.

I'd get why Brown wants it, either way. Being a free agent a year earlier better positions him for one final huge contract at age 31.

I mean, Jaylen is Right to seek some protection. Celtics and everyone else, don't want to pay him the Supermax.
What's the lowest that he can get? -- Do that, and a player option.

Hal14 · Post #617 » by **Hal14** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:48 pm

fallguy wrote:
Hal14 wrote:

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Hmmmm...

-I added a 1st round pick headed to New Orleans, because Zion is younger, the perception is that he's the better player w/ higher upside and has 5 yrs left on his deal (only 1 for JB)
-However, Zion has had more issues with injuries, staying in shape, off-court drama. JB has been on 5 teams that made conference finals and 1 team that made NBA finals (0 conference finals trips for Zion), so the gap in value here shouldn't be that big. 1st round pick to New Orleans should be fine
-Obviously, this deal (if it's done) happens with JB giving New orleans his word that he'll extend with them. But idk, might not be the best fit with JB + Ingram. So this might have to be a 3 team deal where Zion comes to Boston, JB goes to a 3rd team (possibly Atlanta, possibly Toronto with Siakam headed to New Orleans) and the 3rd team sends assets to new orleans

The Celtics adding another oft-injured and unreliable player to this high risk roster would be quite the move.

Well, if we get Zion, we don't really need Rob so much anymore. Either Rob or Al would probably get moved and Rob is the only one with any trade value (especially since Al isn't an expiring contract that a team might want).

So either in the same deal (or perhaps a different one) you may move Rob for help at guard/wing..

Post #618 » by **darrendaye** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:49 pm

keevsnick1 wrote:
fallguy wrote:
Hal14 wrote:

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Hmmmm...

-I added a 1st round pick headed to New Orleans, because Zion is younger, the perception is that he's the better player w/ higher upside and has 5 yrs left on his deal (only 1 for JB)
-However, Zion has had more issues with injuries, staying in shape, off-court drama. JB has been on 5 teams that made conference finals and 1 team that made NBA finals (0 conference finals trips for Zion), so the gap in value here shouldn't be that big. 1st round pick to New Orleans should be fine
-Obviously, this deal (if it's done) happens with JB giving New orleans his word that he'll extend with them. But idk, might not be the best fit with JB + Ingram. So this might have to be a 3 team deal where Zion comes to Boston, JB goes to a 3rd team (possibly Atlanta, possibly Toronto with Siakam headed to New Orleans) and the 3rd team sends assets to new orleans

The Celtics adding another oft-injured and unreliable player to this high risk roster would be quite the move.

If you have 4 big men who are old/injured, that's gotta be at least as valuable as 2-3 healthy ones right? That's totally how basketball works

Hal14 · Post #619 » by **Hal14** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:51 pm

165bows wrote:Anyone else suggested yet Jaylen just wants to wait to get some spotlight? Not remotely out of the question.

Nah. Everyday he waits, the chances of him getting traded (and thus making less $ since we're the only team that can offer the supermax) go up..

keevsnick1 · Post #620 » by **keevsnick1** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:54 pm

Hal14 wrote:
165bows wrote:Anyone else suggested yet Jaylen just wants to wait to get some spotlight? Not remotely out of the question.

Nah. Everyday he waits, the chances of him getting traded (and thus making less $ since we're the only team that can offer the supermax) go up..

Well not necessarily. If both sides are confident he's staying then there's really no rush here. There's no added benefit to signing a super max for either him or the team now, vs last day of off season, if both sides know its going to happen one way or another.