Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Celts17Pride]

Siakam is not good and wants a huge payday. That's why there is no market for him.

That’s a kick the can down the road deal if I ever seen one.

Yes. It's also a "win championship now" move. Siakam has a ring; JB doesn't.

The only market for Siakam is in the Celtics RealGM forum.

[keevsnick1]

This is a non-story because:

1. Jaylen cannot get extended if traded so he only loses if he doesn’t sign a supermax.

Are you sure about that? I figured that whatever team traded for him would be able to extend him - like what we just did with Porzingis

Jaylen is calmly fulfilling his obligations overseas and Brad looked as relaxed at Vegas as I’ve ever seen him.

Brad always looks relaxed - at least since moving into the front office. If anything he seemed a little bit nervous the other night when he was interviewed during our SL game. And during that interview (and I doubt this was a coincidence) the broadcasters had him on for 5 minutes yet didn't bring up the JB extension at all. Hmm, weird..

And this quote doesn't inspire a ton of confidence, especially the "I probably shouldn't say anything else" part.

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Also, Brad says "we're looking forward to all sitting down".

Wait what? He's been eligible to sign since July 1 and you haven't even sat down with him yet? I thought reports were saying JB was gonna be in Vegas all week to sit down with Brad and get this hammered out?

Also, Brad says he's looking forward to sitting down with JB, and then literally the very next day (today) we find out that JB is headed to Europe for an event and that talks will be paused till he gets back.

Hmmm...

He can technically be extended, its just he's very unlikely to extend wherever he's traded. Basically any other team is limited to 140% of his current salary in an extension, but 140% of his current base salary doesn't reach the max salary he'd get on a 30% max contract. To make up the difference they could carry over his current incentives to his next contract, but incentives of course aren't guaranteed. So Brown would have a fair bit of financial incentive just to wait to free agency and sign a fresh contract without any incentives.

Extend and trades are limited to two years added to a contract at 5% raises. Brown obviously would never agree to that, so you can't extend him before trading him in and extend and trade scenario. So if he's traded he can extend with the new team for more/longer once he's there, but not for 6 months. So even if he was traded today he couldn't extend before Jan 14th. At that point, why would he extend when he an wait four months and be a free agent?

And on top of all that Brown knows if he's traded he loses the super max, so he'd likely tell anybody after him he's not resigning just as a leverage play. But this part is speculation.

All of this together just makes is so hard to extend him. Part of the reason Brown being eligibility for the superman was important to the c's is it removed any uncertainty about how whether it made sense for him financially to extend.This was ESPECIALLY the case when the old CBA limited extensions to 120% of final year salary.

[GoCeltics123]

Jaylen can't extend for 6 months if he's traded by rule, so he'll just hit UFA

[poopship]

bastardos!

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[ddb]

4-Team Blockbuster Trade Idea since it's Friday and I feel frisky. Boston, Toronto, OKC, Portland

Boston Out: Jaylen Brown, Malcolm Brogdon, 2026 1st rd pick
Boston in: Dame, Kenrich Williams

Toronto Out: Trent Jr, Boucher
Toronto In: Brogdon, Nwaba

OKC Out: Dort, the good JWilliams, Kenrich Williams, Nwaba, 2 2024 1st rd picks (via Hou & LAC)
OKC In: Jaylen Brown

Portland Out: Dame
Portland In: the good JWilliams, Dort, Boucher, Trent Jr, 2 1st rd picks in 2024 (via Hou & LAC), 1 2026 1st from Boston

Boston does this. Portland does this. OKC becomes a real player in the west if they do this deal. Giddey-SGA-JB-Jaylin Williams-Chet. Wowzers. Toronto I'm not sure would do this deal. Depends how they feel about Brogdon VS Trent JR

[Larry_Russell]

4-Team Blockbuster Trade Idea since it's Friday and I feel frisky. Boston, Toronto, OKC, Portland

Boston Out: Jaylen Brown, Malcolm Brogdon, 2026 1st rd pick
Boston in: Dame, Kenrich Williams

Toronto Out: Trent Jr, Boucher
Toronto In: Brogdon, Nwaba

OKC Out: Dort, the good JWilliams, Kenrich Williams, Nwaba, 2 2024 1st rd picks (via Hou & LAC)
OKC In: Jaylen Brown

Portland Out: Dame
Portland In: the good JWilliams, Dort, Boucher, Trent Jr, 2 1st rd picks in 2024 (via Hou & LAC), 1 2026 1st from Boston

Done

[keevsnick1]

4-Team Blockbuster Trade Idea since it's Friday and I feel frisky. Boston, Toronto, OKC, Portland

Boston Out: Jaylen Brown, Malcolm Brogdon, 2026 1st rd pick
Boston in: Dame, Kenrich Williams

Toronto Out: Trent Jr, Boucher
Toronto In: Brogdon, Nwaba

OKC Out: Dort, the good JWilliams, Kenrich Williams, Nwaba, 2 2024 1st rd picks (via Hou & LAC)
OKC In: Jaylen Brown

Portland Out: Dame
Portland In: the good JWilliams, Dort, Boucher, Trent Jr, 2 1st rd picks in 2024 (via Hou & LAC), 1 2026 1st from Boston

So this is one of the first Brown trades proposed that actually makes SOME sense to me. Not really sure about the TOR bit but flipping Brown to a team that actually has a chance to be good with him on it and thus re-sign him at least seems more realistic then shipping him to a lottery bound team who has no chance to re-sign him and so wont do the trade.

OKC with SGA/Brown/Chet? That feels like somewhere Brown may want to be, se he might give them the wink-wink on that. But it depends, OKC may be fine slow rolling things. They apparently love "the good" J Williams.

[GoCeltics123]

Woj is about to be on NBA Today to talk Jaylen I'll let you guys know what he says

[JaMarco]

That’s a kick the can down the road deal if I ever seen one.

Yes. It's also a "win championship now" move. Siakam has a ring; JB doesn't.

The only market for Siakam is in the Celtics RealGM forum.

[Hal14]

I'd trade him even up for Siakam. Let Toronto worry about JB's ego, and we'll worry about Siakam's. Siakam lets JT play small forward.

Yup.

Plus, Siakam has championship experience - something this team is lacking. And Siakam had 25 games last season with 7+ assists, compared to just 5 games for JB (playmaking is something else this team is lacking).

[MaxwellSmart]

I dunno, shouldn't Jaylen be working on his dribbling instead of traveling all over the world?

[ddb]

4-Team Blockbuster Trade Idea since it's Friday and I feel frisky. Boston, Toronto, OKC, Portland

Boston Out: Jaylen Brown, Malcolm Brogdon, 2026 1st rd pick
Boston in: Dame, Kenrich Williams

Toronto Out: Trent Jr, Boucher
Toronto In: Brogdon, Nwaba

OKC Out: Dort, the good JWilliams, Kenrich Williams, Nwaba, 2 2024 1st rd picks (via Hou & LAC)
OKC In: Jaylen Brown

Portland Out: Dame
Portland In: the good JWilliams, Dort, Boucher, Trent Jr, 2 1st rd picks in 2024 (via Hou & LAC), 1 2026 1st from Boston

So this is one of the first Brown trades proposed that actually makes SOME sense to me. Not really sure about the TOR bit but flipping Brown to a team that actually has a chance to be good with him on it and thus re-sign him at least seems more realistic then shipping him to a lottery bound team who has no chance to re-sign him and so wont do the trade.

OKC with SGA/Brown/Chet? That feels like somewhere Brown may want to be, se he might give them the wink-wink on that. But it depends, OKC may be fine slow rolling things. They apparently love "the good" J Williams.

My thoughts exactly. I'm not sure Toronto would do this deal. Boston may need to send them a couple 2nds to wrap it up. The OKC piece is intriguing. I know they love JWill, but it takes something to get something. Adding JB to SGA, Giddey, and Chet, not to mention they still have a ton of picks and flexibility to add makes this REALLY interesting. If Chet is the real-deal, which I think he will be....buckle up.

Portland couldn't do any better than this type of deal. Asset collection mode, plus a couple of legit pieces to add to their young core.

[Hal14]

4-Team Blockbuster Trade Idea since it's Friday and I feel frisky. Boston, Toronto, OKC, Portland

Boston Out: Jaylen Brown, Malcolm Brogdon, 2026 1st rd pick
Boston in: Dame, Kenrich Williams

Toronto Out: Trent Jr, Boucher
Toronto In: Brogdon, Nwaba

OKC Out: Dort, the good JWilliams, Kenrich Williams, Nwaba, 2 2024 1st rd picks (via Hou & LAC)
OKC In: Jaylen Brown

Portland Out: Dame
Portland In: the good JWilliams, Dort, Boucher, Trent Jr, 2 1st rd picks in 2024 (via Hou & LAC), 1 2026 1st from Boston

Boston does this. Portland does this. OKC becomes a real player in the west if they do this deal. Giddey-SGA-JB-Jaylin Williams-Chet. Wowzers. Toronto I'm not sure would do this deal. Depends how they feel about Brogdon VS Trent JR

Works for me

[Froob]

I'd trade him even up for Siakam. Let Toronto worry about JB's ego, and we'll worry about Siakam's. Siakam lets JT play small forward.

Yup.

Plus, Siakam has championship experience - something this team is lacking. And Siakam had 25 games last season with 7+ assists, compared to just 5 games for JB (playmaking is something else this team is lacking).

Siakam is a lateral move at best, plus he's looking for 4/192 in FA, do you really want to pay Siakam 48M a year for a guy that can't play a lot of minutes with Tatum and Porzingis? Anyone making big money, needs to be able to play with our best players.

[31to6]

Yes. It's also a "win championship now" move. Siakam has a ring; JB doesn't.

The only market for Siakam is in the Celtics RealGM forum.

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[GoCeltics123]

Woj is about to be on NBA Today to talk Jaylen I'll let you guys know what he says

He said the exact same stuff Himmelsbach did

"They have plenty of time. Other stuff in the contract like trade kickers." Yada yada yada

[Hal14]

This is a non-story because:

1. Jaylen cannot get extended if traded so he only loses if he doesn’t sign a supermax.

Are you sure about that? I figured that whatever team traded for him would be able to extend him - like what we just did with Porzingis

Jaylen is calmly fulfilling his obligations overseas and Brad looked as relaxed at Vegas as I’ve ever seen him.

Brad always looks relaxed - at least since moving into the front office. If anything he seemed a little bit nervous the other night when he was interviewed during our SL game. And during that interview (and I doubt this was a coincidence) the broadcasters had him on for 5 minutes yet didn't bring up the JB extension at all. Hmm, weird..

And this quote doesn't inspire a ton of confidence, especially the "I probably shouldn't say anything else" part.

Read on Twitter

Also, Brad says "we're looking forward to all sitting down".

Wait what? He's been eligible to sign since July 1 and you haven't even sat down with him yet? I thought reports were saying JB was gonna be in Vegas all week to sit down with Brad and get this hammered out?

Also, Brad says he's looking forward to sitting down with JB, and then literally the very next day (today) we find out that JB is headed to Europe for an event and that talks will be paused till he gets back.

Hmmm...

He can technically be extended, its just he's very unlikely to extend wherever he's traded. Basically any other team is limited to 140% of his current salary in an extension, but 140% of his current base salary doesn't reach the max salary he'd get on a 30% max contract. To make up the difference they could carry over his current incentives to his next contract, but incentives of course aren't guaranteed. So Brown would have a fair bit of financial incentive just to wait to free agency and sign a fresh contract without any incentives.

Extend and trades are limited to two years added to a contract at 5% raises. Brown obviously would never agree to that, so you can't extend him before trading him in and extend and trade scenario. So if he's traded he can extend with the new team for more/longer once he's there, but not for 6 months. So even if he was traded today he couldn't extend before Jan 14th. At that point, why would he extend when he an wait four months and be a free agent?

And on top of all that Brown knows if he's traded he loses the super max, so he'd likely tell anybody after him he's not resigning just as a leverage play. But this part is speculation.

All of this together just makes is so hard to extend him. Part of the reason Brown being eligibility for the superman was important to the c's is it removed any uncertainty about how whether it made sense for him financially to extend.This was ESPECIALLY the case when the old CBA limited extensions to 120% of final year salary.

man, idk how you guys remember all these rules lol.

[ddb]

I'd trade him even up for Siakam. Let Toronto worry about JB's ego, and we'll worry about Siakam's. Siakam lets JT play small forward.

Yup.

Plus, Siakam has championship experience - something this team is lacking. And Siakam had 25 games last season with 7+ assists, compared to just 5 games for JB (playmaking is something else this team is lacking).

Siakam is a lateral move at best, plus he's looking for 4/192 in FA, do you really want to pay Siakam 48M a year for a guy that can't play a lot of minutes with Tatum and Porzingis? Anyone making big money, needs to be able to play with our best players.

I like Siakam. But if I have my choice of Jaylen 5/295 VS Siakam at 4/192, I'm taking JB. He's younger & better.

[ddb]

Woj is about to be on NBA Today to talk Jaylen I'll let you guys know what he says

He said the exact same stuff Himmelsbach did

"They have plenty of time. Other stuff in the contract like trade kickers." Yada yada yada

Brad has these guys coached well. Woj on payroll? No trade leeks out of Boston. JB is absolutely subject to trade discussions. Nobody wants to report it. Perhaps Brad said if it leeks he will pull out of any JB trade discussions. Brad has leverage as he can simply sign him and bring him back and still be a title contender.

[Froob]

Yup.

Plus, Siakam has championship experience - something this team is lacking. And Siakam had 25 games last season with 7+ assists, compared to just 5 games for JB (playmaking is something else this team is lacking).

Siakam is a lateral move at best, plus he's looking for 4/192 in FA, do you really want to pay Siakam 48M a year for a guy that can't play a lot of minutes with Tatum and Porzingis? Anyone making big money, needs to be able to play with our best players.

I like Siakam. But if I have my choice of Jaylen 5/295 VS Siakam at 4/192, I'm taking JB. He's younger & better.

Also before people bring up the ring argument, Jaylen has a ring too if Warriors lose 2 of their 3 best players to injury in the Finals.