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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24 

Post#661 » by keevsnick1 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:13 pm

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Hal14 wrote:Are you sure about that? I figured that whatever team traded for him would be able to extend him - like what we just did with Porzingis


Brad always looks relaxed - at least since moving into the front office. If anything he seemed a little bit nervous the other night when he was interviewed during our SL game. And during that interview (and I doubt this was a coincidence) the broadcasters had him on for 5 minutes yet didn't bring up the JB extension at all. Hmm, weird..

And this quote doesn't inspire a ton of confidence, especially the "I probably shouldn't say anything else" part.

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Also, Brad says "we're looking forward to all sitting down".

Wait what? He's been eligible to sign since July 1 and you haven't even sat down with him yet? I thought reports were saying JB was gonna be in Vegas all week to sit down with Brad and get this hammered out?

Also, Brad says he's looking forward to sitting down with JB, and then literally the very next day (today) we find out that JB is headed to Europe for an event and that talks will be paused till he gets back.

Hmmm...


He can technically be extended, its just he's very unlikely to extend wherever he's traded. Basically any other team is limited to 140% of his current salary in an extension, but 140% of his current base salary doesn't reach the max salary he'd get on a 30% max contract. To make up the difference they could carry over his current incentives to his next contract, but incentives of course aren't guaranteed. So Brown would have a fair bit of financial incentive just to wait to free agency and sign a fresh contract without any incentives.

Extend and trades are limited to two years added to a contract at 5% raises. Brown obviously would never agree to that, so you can't extend him before trading him in and extend and trade scenario. So if he's traded he can extend with the new team for more/longer once he's there, but not for 6 months. So even if he was traded today he couldn't extend before Jan 14th. At that point, why would he extend when he an wait four months and be a free agent?

And on top of all that Brown knows if he's traded he loses the super max, so he'd likely tell anybody after him he's not resigning just as a leverage play. But this part is speculation.

All of this together just makes is so hard to extend him. Part of the reason Brown being eligibility for the superman was important to the c's is it removed any uncertainty about how whether it made sense for him financially to extend.This was ESPECIALLY the case when the old CBA limited extensions to 120% of final year salary.

man, idk how you guys remember all these rules lol.


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Post#662 » by Celtics_Champs » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:14 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:Woj is about to be on NBA Today to talk Jaylen I'll let you guys know what he says

He said the exact same stuff Himmelsbach did

"They have plenty of time. Other stuff in the contract like trade kickers." Yada yada yada


He should ask IT4 about “plenty of time”

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills this guy can set his family up for generations to come and he’s putting it off and traveling the world!?!

This is a big red flag for me and I love the guy. He could forgo going left for the rest of his career and I’ll still support him. But come on! Something has to be up.
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Post#663 » by zoyathedestroya » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:15 pm

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Post#664 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:18 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:Woj is about to be on NBA Today to talk Jaylen I'll let you guys know what he says

He said the exact same stuff Himmelsbach did

"They have plenty of time. Other stuff in the contract like trade kickers." Yada yada yada


He should ask IT4 about “plenty of time”

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills this guy can set his family up for generations to come and he’s putting it off and traveling the world!?!

This is a big red flag for me and I love the guy. He could forgo going left for the rest of his career and I’ll still support him. But come on! Something has to be up.

I thought I explained it pretty well a few pages back. Jaylen Brown doesn't want to end up being traded next year to a team like Charlotte then he has to spend the next 4 years there. That's the hang up.
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Post#665 » by Hal14 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:18 pm

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Curmudgeon wrote:I'd trade him even up for Siakam. Let Toronto worry about JB's ego, and we'll worry about Siakam's. Siakam lets JT play small forward.

Yup.

Plus, Siakam has championship experience - something this team is lacking. And Siakam had 25 games last season with 7+ assists, compared to just 5 games for JB (playmaking is something else this team is lacking).

Siakam is a lateral move at best, plus he's looking for 4/192 in FA, do you really want to pay Siakam 48M a year for a guy that can't play a lot of minutes with Tatum and Porzingis? Anyone making big money, needs to be able to play with our best players.

I see no reason why those 3 couldn't play a lot of minutes together. Tatum at the 3, Siakam at the 4, Porzingis at the 5.

You could even occasionally go with a bigger lineup with rob or al in there with Porzingis as double bigs, with Tatum and Siakam on the wings. But Rob or al would probably be traded, if we got Siakam..

Also, while JB for Siakam may be a lateral move, they're comparable players but at least Siakam gives you better playmaking - something that would be huge if you've got 3 high usage, high scoring guys on the same team.

And while it may be a lateral move, you're at least getting a star player in return. If things go south with JB, we could end up losing him for nothing.

Plus, it may be a lateral move but I better financial move - since you could pay Siakam much less $ than you would have to pay JB on a supermax..
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Post#666 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:22 pm

Hal14 wrote:If things go south with JB, we could end up losing him for nothing.

Jaylen Brown is under contract with the Boston Celtics for next year period.
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Post#667 » by Celtics_Champs » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:23 pm

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GoCeltics123 wrote:He said the exact same stuff Himmelsbach did

"They have plenty of time. Other stuff in the contract like trade kickers." Yada yada yada


He should ask IT4 about “plenty of time”

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills this guy can set his family up for generations to come and he’s putting it off and traveling the world!?!

This is a big red flag for me and I love the guy. He could forgo going left for the rest of his career and I’ll still support him. But come on! Something has to be up.

I thought I explained it pretty well a few pages back. Jaylen Brown doesn't want to end up being traded next year to a team like Charlotte then he has to spend the next 4 years there. That's the hang up.


I’ve seen too many players delay the bag and never get it. That’s in my opinion a much bigger risk than playing for Charlotte.

Also assuming you’re right, shouldn’t he be hammering it out with Brad. Travel afterwards?
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Post#668 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:24 pm

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He should ask IT4 about “plenty of time”

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills this guy can set his family up for generations to come and he’s putting it off and traveling the world!?!

This is a big red flag for me and I love the guy. He could forgo going left for the rest of his career and I’ll still support him. But come on! Something has to be up.

I thought I explained it pretty well a few pages back. Jaylen Brown doesn't want to end up being traded next year to a team like Charlotte then he has to spend the next 4 years there. That's the hang up.


I’ve seen too many players delay the bag and never get it. That’s in my opinion a much bigger risk than playing for Charlotte.

Also assuming you’re right, shouldn’t he be hammering it out with Brad. Travel afterwards?

Hate to break it to you but they have until mid October to get a deal done.
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Post#669 » by Andrew McCeltic » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:25 pm

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Still weak in the frontcourt, and Kyrie's Kyrie, but impressed by how they've managed to get new blood without giving up much..
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Post#670 » by GoCeltics123 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:25 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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GoCeltics123 wrote:He said the exact same stuff Himmelsbach did

"They have plenty of time. Other stuff in the contract like trade kickers." Yada yada yada


He should ask IT4 about “plenty of time”

I feel like I’m taking crazy pills this guy can set his family up for generations to come and he’s putting it off and traveling the world!?!

This is a big red flag for me and I love the guy. He could forgo going left for the rest of his career and I’ll still support him. But come on! Something has to be up.

I thought I explained it pretty well a few pages back. Jaylen Brown doesn't want to end up being traded next year to a team like Charlotte then he has to spend the next 4 years there. That's the hang up.

Forgot to mention other quotes were:

"Jaylen and agent Jason Glushon are talking to Brad Stevens, expected to re-engage after he comes home from Europe. Sides expected to continue to talk, lot of runway to reach deal this summer."

Also mentioned payment schedule with other parts of the contract which was interesting
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Post#671 » by Hal14 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:25 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
Hal14 wrote:If things go south with JB, we could end up losing him for nothing.

Jaylen Brown is under contract with the Boston Celtics for next year period.

I'm talking about next summer.

And this season could be a nightmare for us if we've got a star player who's unhappy and disgruntled because we weren't able to get a deal done that would have made him the richest player in NBA history.
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Post#672 » by Celtics_Champs » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:27 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:I thought I explained it pretty well a few pages back. Jaylen Brown doesn't want to end up being traded next year to a team like Charlotte then he has to spend the next 4 years there. That's the hang up.


I’ve seen too many players delay the bag and never get it. That’s in my opinion a much bigger risk than playing for Charlotte.

Also assuming you’re right, shouldn’t he be hammering it out with Brad. Travel afterwards?

Hate to break it to you but they have until mid October to get a deal done.


You don’t worry I guess lol. I worry too much.

You’re not wrong in saying they have plenty of time. But I still think there’s flaws in waiting.
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Post#673 » by robdog_5 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:27 pm

If I was Jaylen I would want to control my exit strategy from Boston. Its clear Tatum is 1. And the extension with Porzingis in a timely matter says hes important to Boston already....I think once again Jaylen realizes he isn't the prime guy in Boston so he is gonna probably take his money but he needs to get a trade kicker. If he has that he can suggest to the team he will waive it if he gets traded to certain teams.

The only other scenario is Jaylen and Brad are talking trade scenarios on potential places he'd actually be willing to resign. However i don't buy that cause that would already have been leaked IMO
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Post#674 » by 165bows » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:28 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:Yup.

Plus, Siakam has championship experience - something this team is lacking. And Siakam had 25 games last season with 7+ assists, compared to just 5 games for JB (playmaking is something else this team is lacking).

Siakam is a lateral move at best, plus he's looking for 4/192 in FA, do you really want to pay Siakam 48M a year for a guy that can't play a lot of minutes with Tatum and Porzingis? Anyone making big money, needs to be able to play with our best players.

I see no reason why those 3 couldn't play a lot of minutes together. Tatum at the 3, Siakam at the 4, Porzingis at the 5.

You could even occasionally go with a bigger lineup with rob or al in there with Porzingis as double bigs, with Tatum and Siakam on the wings. But Rob or al would probably be traded, if we got Siakam..

Also, while JB for Siakam may be a lateral move, they're comparable players but at least Siakam gives you better playmaking - something that would be huge if you've got 3 high usage, high scoring guys on the same team.

And while it may be a lateral move, you're at least getting a star player in return. If things go south with JB, we could end up losing him for nothing.

Plus, it may be a lateral move but I better financial move - since you could pay Siakam much less $ than you would have to pay JB on a supermax..

Not that intrigued by paying Siakam even the regular max at age 34. Think Brown at 32 on a superish max is still better value, both on-court and trade.
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Post#675 » by 165bows » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:31 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:If things go south with JB, we could end up losing him for nothing.

Jaylen Brown is under contract with the Boston Celtics for next year period.

I'm talking about next summer.

And this season could be a nightmare for us if we've got a star player who's unhappy and disgruntled because we weren't able to get a deal done that would have made him the richest player in NBA history.

He’s not anywhere close to becoming the richest player in NBA history.
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Post#676 » by Hal14 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:32 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
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Celts17Pride wrote:I thought I explained it pretty well a few pages back. Jaylen Brown doesn't want to end up being traded next year to a team like Charlotte then he has to spend the next 4 years there. That's the hang up.


I’ve seen too many players delay the bag and never get it. That’s in my opinion a much bigger risk than playing for Charlotte.

Also assuming you’re right, shouldn’t he be hammering it out with Brad. Travel afterwards?

Hate to break it to you but they have until mid October to get a deal done.

But if it's gonna happen, it makes the most sense for JB and for the Celtics to get it done right away (like what happened with Lamelo, Haliburton, Edwards and Bane's extensions)

-JB secures the bag ASAP, leaving nothing to chance.
-The Celtics get it done ASAP, which allows them to have a better understanding of what moves they should make for the rest of the offseason, how much $ they have to spend on those moves, etc. It's very hard to navigate offseason moves with this JB cloud hanging over Brad's head

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Post#677 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:33 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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Hal14 wrote:If things go south with JB, we could end up losing him for nothing.

Jaylen Brown is under contract with the Boston Celtics for next year period.

I'm talking about next summer.

And this season could be a nightmare for us if we've got a star player who's unhappy and disgruntled because we weren't able to get a deal done that would have made him the richest player in NBA history.

Welcome to the NBA!

It will never get to next summer.
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Post#678 » by Larry_Russell » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:33 pm

MaxwellSmart wrote:I dunno, shouldn't Jaylen be working on his dribbling instead of traveling all over the world?



He dont care.

Obviously.

He wants to score points, get paud and leave.

He has no desire to be an alltime great
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Post#679 » by steefP2 » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:35 pm

Hal14 wrote:
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I’ve seen too many players delay the bag and never get it. That’s in my opinion a much bigger risk than playing for Charlotte.

Also assuming you’re right, shouldn’t he be hammering it out with Brad. Travel afterwards?

Hate to break it to you but they have until mid October to get a deal done.

But if it's gonna happen, it makes the most sense for JB and for the Celtics to get it done right away.

-JB secures the bag ASAP, leaving nothing to chance.
-The Celtics get it done ASAP, which allows them to have a better understanding of what moves they should make for the rest of the offseason, how much $ they have to spend on those moves, etc. It's very hard to navigate offseason moves with this JB cloud hanging over Brad's head

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Such a weird tweet; what exactly is the Jaylen deal holding up. If anything it gives Brad time to find more of a market or wait for dame to change his mind.

That’s what’s holding up the trade market fwiw; once dame gets traded the rest will fall into places free agents waiting to see where playing time will be after the blazers and heat and other teams reshuffle.
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Post#680 » by Celts17Pride » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:35 pm

Hal14 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
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I’ve seen too many players delay the bag and never get it. That’s in my opinion a much bigger risk than playing for Charlotte.

Also assuming you’re right, shouldn’t he be hammering it out with Brad. Travel afterwards?

Hate to break it to you but they have until mid October to get a deal done.

But if it's gonna happen, it makes the most sense for JB and for the Celtics to get it done right away (like what happened with Lamelo, Haliburton, Edwards and Bane's extensions)

-JB secures the bag ASAP, leaving nothing to chance.
-The Celtics get it done ASAP, which allows them to have a better understanding of what moves they should make for the rest of the offseason, how much $ they have to spend on those moves, etc. It's very hard to navigate offseason moves with this JB cloud hanging over Brad's head

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Jaylen Brown's contract situation has very little to do with moves this off-season as far as money wise. Total BS. Did it stop Stevens from trading for Porzingis?

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