**The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two**

FrenchMinnyFan · Post #541 » by **FrenchMinnyFan** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:27 am

I don't wanna trade KAT. At least until February. Totally convince we can be a top team this year with this group. Let's make a run first and if for any reason ( Injuries, some players out perform) we are not in position, then we can trade KAT and continue to build around Ant and MCD. But i do believe we have a window now !

TimberKat · Post #542 » by **TimberKat** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 2:55 pm

minimus wrote:
As I said before I really like Cason Wallace as defensive minded comboguard. He fits our new identity build around big, strong defenders.

Trade Towns, Moore for Cason Wallace, Oladipo (waive), Rudy Gay (waive), Bertans (keep in case we want to use him in trade later) AND 5 FRPs and couple SPRs.

Gobert/Reid/Garza
Anderson/MCD/Bertans + Miller
MCD/Brown/Edwards+ Minott
Edwards/NAW/Milton
Conley/Wallace/Milton

I really think that next step will be getting a big shooting wing/guard. Just look at young player in our roster:

Edwards
MCD
Reid
NAW
Miller
Minott
Brown
Milton

They could use a elite shooter who can run the floor with them, hitting those open 3s. Use that five FRPs picks, use expiring Bertans contract to get such player.

It's certainly a nice trade for OKC. Even if we flip 2 of those 1st for Herro, how does this trade help us win now and replace Towns productivities? Who on the list of young additions is going to be all star in 2 years? No Chet/SGA/Giddey is a non starter for me.

Post #543 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:04 pm

Something to consider regarding the value desired in a Towns trade, the timing matters. In the offseason, roster constraints aren't as tight. Also, unless we decide to flat out tank, it's far more unlikely we'd take a rebuilding-style pick-heavy package during the season. You're going to get a few bigger salaries in return.

MN7725 · Post #544 » by **MN7725** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 5:54 pm

younggunsmn wrote:
Klomp wrote:I will say that it's really interesting how compatible the Thunder and Wolves rosters seem to be regarding a potential Towns trade. Holmgren really is a perfect frontcourt complement for him, and Towns would be able to be the 1b to SGA's 1a. Regarding the Timberwolves, we don't have a lot of glaring needs, but I personally think Giddey is a near perfect system fit as Ant's backcourt partner. And they obviously have the picks we may want. The biggest hindrance to a deal is the gap in salary matching.

As much as it would be great to get our hands on Giddey and/or their treasure trove of draft picks,
I think their front office is way too smart to touch KAT's contract.
Especially in their smaller market.
I just don't think he is a fit there.

They are building out a really nice deep roster after having a nice 10 year run with 2-3 superstar players, that was probably a good role player away from a title a few of those years.
They were a play-in win away from the playoffs playing scrub big men all year. Chet will help a lot if he stays healthy.

Giddey/Cason Wallace
SGA/Jalen Williams
Dort
Chet

Lots of really good 2-way players. KAT doesn't fit that.
And I think Giddey is probably their 2nd cornerstone piece after SGA, he's just such a tremendous all around player.
The reason we'd love to put him next to Ant is the same reason they wouldn't trade him.

I was just listening to Zach Lowe's most recent podcast where it was mainly Knicks centered in first segment, but they talked about potential trades, and his guest that covers the Knicks had said that the Knicks weren't really interested in KAT because of the huge contract (about 15 mins in), but that if they had been interested they could have gotten him, that was his admitted "read of the situation"

I've said before, I don't really know if KAT's value is any higher than Sabonis, who did get back a promising guard in Haliburton who then later blew up, but isn't near what some posters are proposing (KD, AD, even Gobert level trade return)

Mattya · Post #545 » by **Mattya** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 7:36 pm

Never ever trust Knicks reporters

Nick K · Post #546 » by **Nick K** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:40 pm

Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.

TimberKat · Post #547 » by **TimberKat** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:50 pm

Mattya wrote:Never ever trust Knicks reporters

Yes, the typical perspective is NYC is the center of the universe. Everyone wants to be there. They will make other teams bend over backwards to take a trade. I think most outsiders are undervaluing Towns because they all think him and Gobert are duplicates. Wolves are stuck and eagar to dump one of them because the franchise is going bankrupt. If you read between the lines, the real news is there is no real Towns trade talk going on. I am sure Wolves front office will listen to offers and laugh at it. The real trade maybe JMcD if they can't agree on a contract.

TimberKat · Post #548 » by **TimberKat** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 8:51 pm

Nick K wrote:Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.

Let's trade Towns for him :lol:

Post #549 » by **Klomp** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 9:44 pm

TimberKat wrote:
Nick K wrote:Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.

Let's trade Towns for him

Honestly, if things go south in Dallas, I've thought about that...

Note30 · Post #550 » by **Note30** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:09 pm

Klomp wrote:
TimberKat wrote:
Nick K wrote:Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.

Let's trade Towns for him

Honestly, if things go south in Dallas, I've thought about that...

Same, could we trade our 2024 pick and 2031 pick at the next draft?

Doncic would have to change his game a lot for this roster though. On defense we'd have to hide him on a wing or a power forward.

Doncic /Edwards/McDaniels/Anderson/Gobert

KGdaBom · Post #551 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 10:40 pm

TimberKat wrote:
Nick K wrote:Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.

Let's trade Towns for him

I would do that.

Battletrigger · Post #552 » by **Battletrigger** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:10 pm

Nick K wrote:Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.

Since it's on the main news of realgm and reported yesterday in many other sites, is a normal talk.

Or do you expect the team plublic says is shopping him to the best bidder?

Slim Tubby · Post #553 » by **Slim Tubby** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:36 pm

Battletrigger wrote:
Nick K wrote:Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.

Since it's on the main news of realgm and reported yesterday in many other sites, is a normal talk.

Or do you expect the team plublic says is shopping him to the best bidder?

So, some bored writer creates a misleading headline to create interest and clicks. Automatically, some of you assume this means the Wolves have been proactively pounding the phones trying to peddle Towns to the highest bidder?

Is it safe to assume that many teams called the Wolves inquiring about KAT's availability? Obviously. What team wouldn't want a 27 year old All NBA player on their roster? Towns would already be moved if we were making him available.

How are some of you actually going to root for the Wolves this year with KAT on the roster? For those of you with short memories, we probably don't even make the Play-in tourney if Towns doesn't return from injury and produces the way he did but of course...he's a terrible fit and the reason for all our woes. Karl is nothing more than a scapegoat by some.

MN7725 · Post #554 » by **MN7725** » Fri Jul 14, 2023 11:43 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
Nick K wrote:Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.

Since it's on the main news of realgm and reported yesterday in many other sites, is a normal talk.

Or do you expect the team plublic says is shopping him to the best bidder?

So, some bored writer creates a misleading headline to create interest and clicks. Automatically, some of you assume this means the Wolves have been proactively pounding the phones trying to peddle Towns to the highest bidder?

Is it safe to assume that many teams called the Wolves inquiring about KAT's availability? Obviously. What team wouldn't want a 27 year old All NBA player on their roster? Towns would already be moved if we were making him available.

How are some of you actually going to root for the Wolves this year with KAT on the roster? For those of you with short memories, we probably don't even make the Play-in tourney if Towns doesn't return from injury and produces the way he did but of course...he's a terrible fit and the reason for all our woes. Karl is nothing more than a scapegoat by some.

this was the whole reason for my post, one of the teams that people propose trades to (Knicks) reportedly isn't interested because of KAT's contract

I was just listening to Zach Lowe's most recent podcast where it was mainly Knicks centered in first segment, but they talked about potential trades, and his guest that covers the Knicks had said that the Knicks weren't really interested in KAT because of the huge contract (about 15 mins in), but that if they had been interested they could have gotten him, that was his admitted "read of the situation"

maybe Begley was wrong, Lowe didn't really disagree with him about it
go ahead and listen for yourself, it was about a 3-4 minute discussion about Knicks-KAT

shangrila · Post #555 » by **shangrila** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:03 am

Mattya wrote:Never ever trust Knicks reporters

TIL Zach Lowe is a Knicks reporter

Mattya · Post #556 » by **Mattya** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:57 am

shangrila wrote:
Mattya wrote:Never ever trust Knicks reporters

TIL Zach Lowe is a Knicks reporter

TIl Ian Begley is Zach Lowe

KGdaBom · Post #557 » by **KGdaBom** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:05 am

MN7725 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
Since it's on the main news of realgm and reported yesterday in many other sites, is a normal talk.

Or do you expect the team plublic says is shopping him to the best bidder?

So, some bored writer creates a misleading headline to create interest and clicks. Automatically, some of you assume this means the Wolves have been proactively pounding the phones trying to peddle Towns to the highest bidder?

Is it safe to assume that many teams called the Wolves inquiring about KAT's availability? Obviously. What team wouldn't want a 27 year old All NBA player on their roster? Towns would already be moved if we were making him available.

How are some of you actually going to root for the Wolves this year with KAT on the roster? For those of you with short memories, we probably don't even make the Play-in tourney if Towns doesn't return from injury and produces the way he did but of course...he's a terrible fit and the reason for all our woes. Karl is nothing more than a scapegoat by some.

this was the whole reason for my post, one of the teams that people propose trades to (Knicks) reportedly isn't interested because of KAT's contract

I was just listening to Zach Lowe's most recent podcast where it was mainly Knicks centered in first segment, but they talked about potential trades, and his guest that covers the Knicks had said that the Knicks weren't really interested in KAT because of the huge contract (about 15 mins in), but that if they had been interested they could have gotten him, that was his admitted "read of the situation"

maybe Begley was wrong, Lowe didn't really disagree with him about it
go ahead and listen for yourself, it was about a 3-4 minute discussion about Knicks-KAT

Another post basically declaring that KAT has negative value because of his contract. Max and supermax contracts are often some of the best team friendly contracts. I believe KAT's contract is team friendly.

Slim Tubby · Post #558 » by **Slim Tubby** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:44 am

KGdaBom wrote:
MN7725 wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:
So, some bored writer creates a misleading headline to create interest and clicks. Automatically, some of you assume this means the Wolves have been proactively pounding the phones trying to peddle Towns to the highest bidder?

Is it safe to assume that many teams called the Wolves inquiring about KAT's availability? Obviously. What team wouldn't want a 27 year old All NBA player on their roster? Towns would already be moved if we were making him available.

How are some of you actually going to root for the Wolves this year with KAT on the roster? For those of you with short memories, we probably don't even make the Play-in tourney if Towns doesn't return from injury and produces the way he did but of course...he's a terrible fit and the reason for all our woes. Karl is nothing more than a scapegoat by some.

this was the whole reason for my post, one of the teams that people propose trades to (Knicks) reportedly isn't interested because of KAT's contract

I was just listening to Zach Lowe's most recent podcast where it was mainly Knicks centered in first segment, but they talked about potential trades, and his guest that covers the Knicks had said that the Knicks weren't really interested in KAT because of the huge contract (about 15 mins in), but that if they had been interested they could have gotten him, that was his admitted "read of the situation"

maybe Begley was wrong, Lowe didn't really disagree with him about it
go ahead and listen for yourself, it was about a 3-4 minute discussion about Knicks-KAT

Another post basically declaring that KAT has negative value because of his contract. Max and supermax contracts are often some of the best team friendly contracts. I believe KAT's contract is team friendly.

Agreed...and you don't EARN a Max or SuperMax contract by being an average player or detriment to your team. KAT's value can't be minimized simply as a result of the Gobert trade and how that has been perceived.

shangrila · Post #559 » by **shangrila** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:59 am

Mattya wrote:
shangrila wrote:
Mattya wrote:Never ever trust Knicks reporters

TIL Zach Lowe is a Knicks reporter

TIl Ian Begley is Zach Lowe

Zach Lowe reiterated it.

Some of you are going to be very disappointed with the return KAT gets when he's traded.

Mattya · Post #560 » by **Mattya** » Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:30 am

shangrila wrote:
Mattya wrote:
shangrila wrote:TIL Zach Lowe is a Knicks reporter

TIl Ian Begley is Zach Lowe

Zach Lowe reiterated it.

Some of you are going to be very disappointed with the return KAT gets when he's traded.

No he didn’t. Zach Lowe gave his opinion not the Knicks perspective, he asked Begley what the Knicks perspective is.

So again never trust a NY reporter, and if this is still confusing to you I mean Begley.