Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[GoGreen]

In my car so I have not Read the last few pages but I don't see an update on j brown... but my source just sent me one...

When I get home I will post it

My sauce is saying something similar…

Pretty spicy stuff

Been trying to figure out what major market development means.

I take it as if someone becomes available, JB is out. My question is... who? Who could spring free that would be a better fit here than JB? Don't like any of the names out there at this point.

[zoyathedestroya]

Read on Twitter

Nothing new then.

[Hal14]

Damn, my guy Bazley signs with the Nets.

Bummer.

Good pickup for them..

[zoyathedestroya]

Whatever is (or is not) going on with the JB extension negotiations, I'm impressed how leak-proof both sides have been. A possibility is nothing is going on lol and there's nothing to leak but considering POBO Brad's previous MO, I can't help but believe that they just really have this on lock.

Compare it to the Dame situation where media even knew the exact time Cronin and Dame's camp met. We got nothing about that with JB and Brad. Have they even met yet? Do they use secret tunnels in Vegas and multiple layers of unbreakable code whenever they meet? At what stage of negotiation are they? What's the specific point of contention?

Nothing. We got nothing. I'm impressed.

[darrendaye]

Damn, my guy Bazley signs with the Nets.

Bummer.

Good pickup for them..

Racking my brain to figure who the 4/3 guy Brad might have in mind if exclusively by free agency. I was just trying to talk myself into him. Watford also, but read his defense is a mixed bag. I mean, we may end up with someone like James Johnson.

[Hal14]

Damn, my guy Bazley signs with the Nets.

Bummer.

Good pickup for them..

Racking my brain to figure who the 4/3 guy Brad might have in mind if exclusively by free agency. I was just trying to talk myself into him. Watford also, but read his defense is a mixed bag. I mean, we may end up with someone like James Johnson.

Don't rack your brain too much. GM's are like politicians - they lie a lot. I take what he says with a grain of salt. He doesn't want to say what he is really trying to do on national TV - and then tip his hand to other teams, lose leverage when talking with them..

But, um... 4/3 .. Justice Winslow ...

[darrendaye]

Damn, my guy Bazley signs with the Nets.

Bummer.

Good pickup for them..

Racking my brain to figure who the 4/3 guy Brad might have in mind if exclusively by free agency. I was just trying to talk myself into him. Watford also, but read his defense is a mixed bag. I mean, we may end up with someone like James Johnson.

Don't rack your brain too much. GM's are like politicians - they lie a lot. I take what he says with a grain of salt. He doesn't want to say what he is really trying to do on national TV - and then tip his hand to other teams, lose leverage when talking with them..

But, um... 4/3 .. Justice Winslow ...

But is he going to 1. sign for vet min and 2. do so when there's a pretty good chance he would be outside of the rotation.

PS, also I can't help it, I'm a habitual brain racker.

[Hal14]

Kinda wonder if Smart sealed his fate when he mentioned Joe being criticized in the media “and rightfully so”

That was a head scratcher comment by him. But there was 2 other comments I saw from Smart in the media where he kind of undermined Joe.

Even still, we tried to trade Brogdon instead of Marcus. But when trading Brogdon couldn't happen by KP's deadline, Marcus was gone.

I think it was partly because it was simply an upgrade (in terms of talent and better roster balance) by going from Smart to Porzingis. But also, Smart's comments about Joe certainly made it easier for us to ship him out..

Yep. Only way this narrative jibes is if we believe Smart was going to Memphis regardless. Which, could be true, but, we'll likely never know.

I saw an interview where the memphis GM said he had been interested in marcus for awhile (and expressed that to Brad).

But still, that doesn't necessarily mean he was going to memphis regardless.

Because if Brogdon was shipped out for KP, then yes - there's a chance that Boston *may* have then shipped Marcus to Memphis, but they probably only would have done that if they were getting another guard - which may or may not have happened..

[tfribs45]

Not really..

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/why-did-celtics-choose-mazzulla-mannix-and-forsberg-weigh-in/268005/

Kinda wonder if Smart sealed his fate when he mentioned Joe being criticized in the media “and rightfully so”

That was a head scratcher comment by him. But there was 2 other comments I saw from Smart in the media where he kind of undermined Joe.

Even still, we tried to trade Brogdon instead of Marcus. But when trading Brogdon couldn't happen by KP's deadline, Marcus was gone.

I think it was partly because it was simply an upgrade (in terms of talent and better roster balance) by going from Smart to Porzingis. But also, Smart's comments about Joe certainly made it easier for us to ship him out..

Brads putting a ton of Faith in Joe and shaping the roster for his liking. Not a fan of how Joe has handled the team since the takeover. It was an embarrassing playoff run and the pressers at the end of games were amateur hour. A lot of people on the outside looking in questioned the leadership on the C’s. Below average inbound plays, rarely calling timeouts, watching players run the timeouts during playoff games, just pathetic really…. Hope he proves the haters wrong, but I have a feeling Cassel will be running this group by the Allstar break!

[Hal14]

Kinda wonder if Smart sealed his fate when he mentioned Joe being criticized in the media “and rightfully so”

That was a head scratcher comment by him. But there was 2 other comments I saw from Smart in the media where he kind of undermined Joe.

Even still, we tried to trade Brogdon instead of Marcus. But when trading Brogdon couldn't happen by KP's deadline, Marcus was gone.

I think it was partly because it was simply an upgrade (in terms of talent and better roster balance) by going from Smart to Porzingis. But also, Smart's comments about Joe certainly made it easier for us to ship him out..

Brads putting a ton of Faith in Joe and shaping the roster for his liking. Not a fan of how Joe has handled the team since the takeover. It was an embarrassing playoff run and the pressers at the end of games were amateur hour. A lot of people on the outside looking in questioned the leadership on the C’s. Below average inbound plays, rarely calling timeouts, watching players run the timeouts during playoff games, just pathetic really…. Hope he proves the haters wrong, but I have a feeling Cassel will be running this group by the Allstar break!

Didn't you literally post this same thing, word for word like 2 hours ago and then I already replied to it? Or is that just the booze making my mind do funky things lol

Edit. Yeah, it was 1 page back where I replied to you with this

Spoiler:

Not really..

https://www.nbcsportsboston.com/nba/boston-celtics/why-did-celtics-choose-mazzulla-mannix-and-forsberg-weigh-in/268005/

"Joe Mazzulla is an exceptional basketball mind. Brad Stevens recognized that in him early on. He knows the offense, he knows the defense, he knows the roster and he's going to be backstopped by Brad Stevens and supported by him. As our Chris Forsberg mentions, the C's have relied heavily on Mazzulla to handle things on the defensive end. Boston ranked No. 2 in the league in defensive rating last season.

"Derrick White, when he got traded here, they sat him down and said, 'Look, if you need to know anything about this defense, go talk to Joe Mazzulla," Forsberg said. "Part of that is Ime's got other stuff going on, but they trust Joe Mazzulla enough with the defense that he can lead him through whatever he needed to know. All the new schemes and systems. And so I think they really trust his acumen on that side of the ball and his ability to build relationships and all that.

The defensive issues were probably because of Smart being butthurt about the way things went down with Ime, Smart never got over it and never respected Mazzulla - plus he was probably pissy about having to sacrifice so much with the addition of Brogdon (plus White's addition just a few months prior).

And Grant was pissy about his contract situation and declining playing time.

Also remember that Ime had these assistants for a *full* season:
-Hardy
-Mazzulla
-Stoudemire
-Sullivan
-Miles

That's FIVE really good assistants for the entire season, which goes a long way when you're a 1st time head coach. Out of those 5 guys, 4 of them are Ime's guys, who he knows from way back. 3 of them are now head coaches, and Sullivan will likely be a HC soon.

Mazzulla only had 3 of those guys as assistants. All 3 of them (Stoudemire, Sullivan and Miles) were Ime's guys, not Joe's guys. Joe only had 2 of them (Sullivan, Miles) for the full season, as Stoudemire left to take a college job right before the playoffs.

That's a BIG difference.

[Andrew McCeltic]

Ayton and Okogie to ATL
Brogdon and Capela to PHO
Okongwu, Bey and Payne to BOS

[RickyDizzle]

Ayton and Okogie to ATL
Brogdon and Capela to PHO
Okongwu, Bey and Payne to BOS

No way Brogdon gets you Okongwu.

[ajones9219]

Brad traded down from #25, #31 & #34 before drafting Walsh at #38. Here's how those picks are doing in Summer League.

Pistons select Marcus Sasser #25, 3GP - 9/2/3.7 on 31/22/75
Hornets select James Nnaji #31, 4GP - 2/7.5/1.8 on 60/0/75
Kings select Colby Jones #34, 4GP - 10/4/2 on 39/24/42
Celtics select Jordan Walsh at #38, 3GP - 18/4.3/1.7 on 44/37/67

Saw this on reddit. Thought it was interesting as an immediate feedback on the trades

[BostonCouchGM]

Brad traded down from #25, #31 & #34 before drafting Walsh at #38. Here's how those picks are doing in Summer League.

Pistons select Marcus Sasser #25, 3GP - 9/2/3.7 on 31/22/75
Hornets select James Nnaji #31, 4GP - 2/7.5/1.8 on 60/0/75
Kings select Colby Jones #34, 4GP - 10/4/2 on 39/24/42
Celtics select Jordan Walsh at #38, 3GP - 18/4.3/1.7 on 44/37/67

Saw this on reddit. Thought it was interesting as an immediate feedback on the trades

it doesn't matter which players were taken at those picks. It matters who was still on the board that would have been available for us to draft. So post the SL stats for every SL player that was still on the board.

Here's a few:

Hunter Tyson 4 GP - 22-6-2 shooting 53% from three
Kobe Brown 4 GP - 18-9-2 shooting 40% from three with 2 steals and a 1 block per game
Jalen Wilson 4 GP - 17-7-2 shooting 50% from three
Leonard Miller 4 GP - 16-8-2 shooting 38% from three

[FlyBono]

Brown sealed his fate Game 7
No way the player is worth more $ than Tatum

Extend Brown lose Tatum is my guess

If trade value is not there let him play out the final year see how it goes with KP

[Tyakack]

Every day Brown isn't signed to the supermax an angel gets its wings.

[steefP2]

Brown sealed his fate Game 7
No way the player is worth more $ than Tatum

Extend Brown lose Tatum is my guess

If trade value is not there let him play out the final year see how it goes with KP

And then ? Let him walk ? Without being able to replace him or his salary spot at all.

People getting too hung up on “worth”

[brackdan70]

Brown sealed his fate Game 7
No way the player is worth more $ than Tatum

Extend Brown lose Tatum is my guess

If trade value is not there let him play out the final year see how it goes with KP

This seems like it comes from Opposite World.
Why would extending Brown = losing Tatum. I would think Tatum will be looking for best opportunity to win and make money. With Brown Boston offers a long window. Without Brown the window is pushed back and reliant on additional unknown talent that might be added in the future. I think if you don’t extend and you trade him you won’t get good value back because he has only one year left.

[BK_2020]

Brown sealed his fate Game 7
No way the player is worth more $ than Tatum

Extend Brown lose Tatum is my guess

If trade value is not there let him play out the final year see how it goes with KP

And then ? Let him walk ? Without being able to replace him or his salary spot at all.

People getting too hung up on “worth”

People are getting too hung up on "salary spot." If a player's value is salary spot then just resign Pritchard to $40 mil. so we have that spot available. Except no sane person would even consider that. Salary ballast should never be a justification for overpaying a player. Salary spot is neither valuable nor essential. We can get a chunk of that back with sign and trade, and with Brogdon and Horford we have enough salary to get a decent 3rd option type player back even without a large TPE. Payroll flexibility is far more useful for future moves than having a lot of useless salary.

There are many good reasons to let him play out his contract, even at the risk of him walking.
If he is actually good in his final year then we can still offer the most on a competitive team. If Jaylen Brown is would rather sign for Detroit or something out of spite then good on him, that just means he's petty, short-sided, selfish and we dodged a bullet.
If he sucks we dodged a bullet.
If he's injured we dodged a bullet.
Jaylen Brown is not some proven superstar we have to lock up to a long term deal.

[chrisab123]

Brown sealed his fate Game 7
No way the player is worth more $ than Tatum

Extend Brown lose Tatum is my guess

If trade value is not there let him play out the final year see how it goes with KP

And then ? Let him walk ? Without being able to replace him or his salary spot at all.

People getting too hung up on “worth”

People are getting too hung up on "salary spot." If a player's value is salary spot then just resign Pritchard to $40 mil. so we have that spot available. Except no sane person would even consider that. Salary ballast should never be a justification for overpaying a player. Salary spot is neither valuable nor essential. We can get a chunk of that back with sign and trade, and with Brogdon and Horford we have enough salary to get a decent 3rd option type player back even without a large TPE. Payroll flexibility is far more useful for future moves than having a lot of useless salary.

There are many good reasons to let him play out his contract, even at the risk of him walking.
If he is actually good in his final year then we can still offer the most on a competitive team. If Jaylen Brown is would rather sign for Detroit or something out of spite then good on him, that just means he's petty, short-sided, selfish and we dodged a bullet.
If he sucks we dodged a bullet.
If he's injured we dodged a bullet.
Jaylen Brown is not some proven superstar we have to lock up to a long term deal.

So Brown walks...then Tatum wants the team to get someone else. But they can't afford to. The only way they could afford another max player is with that salary spot. But without it, Tatum is probably thinking long and hard about becoming a Laker. So because you don't want to pay Jaylen you risk having Porzingis as your best player in 2025.

Unless you're holding out hope that Boston all of a sudden becomes a destination and someone comes and replaces Tatum. This isn't just about Brown, its about keeping them competitive enough to win a title. Letting a guy hear other pitches on the open market makes it incredibly difficult to retain the player. Not impossible but more likely than not when a star player reaches FA he's gone. Boston can offer the most money but Atlanta can offer him the ability to play at home. Miami can offer him beaches, nightlife, weather, no state tax etc...but with Dame going there they probably can't afford him which leaves New York. It depends what he wants but I don't like the Celtics chances of keeping him at all if he goes to FA.

Theres also a massive difference in the market for Brown at the max and PP at 40 million to fill a salary spot.