Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Celts17Pride]

Brad traded down from #25, #31 & #34 before drafting Walsh at #38. Here's how those picks are doing in Summer League.

Pistons select Marcus Sasser #25, 3GP - 9/2/3.7 on 31/22/75
Hornets select James Nnaji #31, 4GP - 2/7.5/1.8 on 60/0/75
Kings select Colby Jones #34, 4GP - 10/4/2 on 39/24/42
Celtics select Jordan Walsh at #38, 3GP - 18/4.3/1.7 on 44/37/67

Saw this on reddit. Thought it was interesting as an immediate feedback on the trades

it doesn't matter which players were taken at those picks. It matters who was still on the board that would have been available for us to draft. So post the SL stats for every SL player that was still on the board.

Here's a few:

Hunter Tyson 4 GP - 22-6-2 shooting 53% from three
Kobe Brown 4 GP - 18-9-2 shooting 40% from three with 2 steals and a 1 block per game
Jalen Wilson 4 GP - 17-7-2 shooting 50% from three
Leonard Miller 4 GP - 16-8-2 shooting 38% from three

Happy with Walsh but I really wanted Kobe Brown. Think Kobe Brown is going to be a good one.

[GoCeltics123]

The Nets turned down Jaylen for KD so I think we need to readjust our perception of Jaylen's value.

They were never trading Jaylen for KD straight-up, especially with 4 years left (and Tsai's crazy asking price). But they've openly said the best offer they got was Jaylen/White/1st, before the Suns offered the house.

No matter what we think of Jaylen, his value is definitely not low around the league, no matter the GM you talk to. I would assume the analytics-based GMs value him lower than the less analytics-based ones for sure, but teams would offer legit stuff for him.

But one year left Jaylen? When he's surely going to hit UFA? That seems not smart to give up much for any team

The Suns got KD for two high-end role players and 4 first round picks. That was not a very impressive package. One high-end roleplayer was an expiring.

Wasn't a big reason KD rescinded his trade request the idea that if things went south, the Nets promised to trade him to Phoenix since that was his preferred destination? And then Kyrie asked out and the whole thing went south.

Also Bridges is signed long-term and Cam was an RFA, Jaylen is an UFA soon, so like I said, less value.

Also the Nets asking price last summer for KD would've been like Jaylen/Smart/4 picks. They weren't trading him unless for an outrageous offer, it was obvious as the summer wore on.

[Celts17Pride]

On the Sports Hub with Murray, Gasper and B Robb,
they are discussing the possibility that the hold up in the Brown
signing is that of Jaylen willing to take less in return for them bringing in
one of his Bros. B Robb said possibly a Big, and the others noted
that Brown is following WCJ on Instagram...

If Jaylen Brown is willing to take less so the Celtics can bring in WCJ or Okongwu then 75% of this forum is going to look pretty dumb

[GoCeltics123]

On the Sports Hub with Murray, Gasper and B Robb,
they are discussing the possibility that the hold up in the Brown
signing is that of Jaylen willing to take less in return for them bringing in
one of his Bros. B Robb said possibly a Big, and the others noted
that Brown is following WCJ on Instagram...

If Jaylen Brown is willing to take less so the Celtics can bring in WCJ or Okongwu then 75% of this forum is going to look pretty dumb

I'd be floored if he did though, and we saw them pass on re-signing Grant so I doubt it.

Delay has to be for something else imo

[Celts17Pride]

On the Sports Hub with Murray, Gasper and B Robb,
they are discussing the possibility that the hold up in the Brown
signing is that of Jaylen willing to take less in return for them bringing in
one of his Bros. B Robb said possibly a Big, and the others noted
that Brown is following WCJ on Instagram...

If Jaylen Brown is willing to take less so the Celtics can bring in WCJ or Okongwu then 75% of this forum is going to look pretty dumb

I'd be floored if he did though, and we saw them pass on re-signing Grant so I doubt it.

Delay has to be for something else imo

Not saying it’s going to happen, just commenting on the rumor. Don’t really think it’s far fetched though

[Triple7]

There's no Jaylen Brown trade with 1 year left that makes you better, unless you trade him for Dame

You can just trade him next year when he's on a long-term deal

Not necessarily saying I think this happens but what if JB proves he’s not worth that contract this year? It could become even harder to trade him then. We might look back thinking it would have been better in the long run to move him now. Again, just playing devils advocate.

You're not getting great value regardless, the time to trade Jaylen was last summer for KD if you were selling high. If he has a bad season, teams I think would still offer more because on a long-term deal, he has more value then a guy who can walk for nothing

What???
This doesn’t make sense. If he has a bad season, no team would want to pay him 300M over the next 5 yrs. That would be the worse contract in history. No team would want him to be their number 1. He’s not good enough now, and if he has a bad season, then his value would even drop some more.

[BK_2020]

They were never trading Jaylen for KD straight-up, especially with 4 years left (and Tsai's crazy asking price). But they've openly said the best offer they got was Jaylen/White/1st, before the Suns offered the house.

No matter what we think of Jaylen, his value is definitely not low around the league, no matter the GM you talk to. I would assume the analytics-based GMs value him lower than the less analytics-based ones for sure, but teams would offer legit stuff for him.

But one year left Jaylen? When he's surely going to hit UFA? That seems not smart to give up much for any team

The Suns got KD for two high-end role players and 4 first round picks. That was not a very impressive package. One high-end roleplayer was an expiring.

Wasn't a big reason KD rescinded his trade request the idea that if things went south, the Nets promised to trade him to Phoenix since that was his preferred destination? And then Kyrie asked out and the whole thing went south.

Also Bridges is signed long-term and Cam was an RFA, Jaylen is an UFA soon, so like I said, less value.

Also the Nets asking price last summer for KD would've been like Jaylen/Smart/4 picks. They weren't trading him unless for an outrageous offer, it was obvious as the summer wore on.

It's debatable. A star player worth the supermax contract is a top 10 player in the league in his 20s. You probably don't get a player like that for a high end role player signed to a reasonable deal. The closest analogue would be Jimmy Butler going for Covington and Saric, but Jimmy Butler had less than a year left and he wasn't viewed as a star back then, having played his whole career in wastelands.
Harden with 1 year left brought back Ben Simmons and 2 firsts when Simmons was still thought of as a borderline All-Star, just injured or malcontent. There's AD and PG13 trades but they were locks to resign so a little different.

[DarkAzcura]

The Nets turned down Jaylen for KD so I think we need to readjust our perception of Jaylen's value.

They were never trading Jaylen for KD straight-up, especially with 4 years left (and Tsai's crazy asking price). But they've openly said the best offer they got was Jaylen/White/1st, before the Suns offered the house.

No matter what we think of Jaylen, his value is definitely not low around the league, no matter the GM you talk to. I would assume the analytics-based GMs value him lower than the less analytics-based ones for sure, but teams would offer legit stuff for him.

But one year left Jaylen? When he's surely going to hit UFA? That seems not smart to give up much for any team

The Suns got KD for two high-end role players and 4 first round picks. That was not a very impressive package. One high-end roleplayer was an expiring.

Bridges was a DPOY candidate in 2022 and averaged 17/4/4 in 2023 on a great offensive team. I think we should be careful on who we call role players, lol. That term is overused. He averaged 26 PPG with the Nets as well. Role players, historically, are players who do one thing really well. Bridges was a high level starter with all star and DPOY potential.

[BK_2020]

They were never trading Jaylen for KD straight-up, especially with 4 years left (and Tsai's crazy asking price). But they've openly said the best offer they got was Jaylen/White/1st, before the Suns offered the house.

No matter what we think of Jaylen, his value is definitely not low around the league, no matter the GM you talk to. I would assume the analytics-based GMs value him lower than the less analytics-based ones for sure, but teams would offer legit stuff for him.

But one year left Jaylen? When he's surely going to hit UFA? That seems not smart to give up much for any team

The Suns got KD for two high-end role players and 4 first round picks. That was not a very impressive package. One high-end roleplayer was an expiring.

Bridges was a DPOY candidate in 2022 and averaged 17/4/4 in 2023 on a great offensive team. I think we should be careful on who we call role players, lol. That term is overused. He averaged 26 PPG with the Nets as well.

Yeah which perfectly illustrates the low value of volume scoring. Literally have Mikal Bridges shoot a million times a game and he'll put up Jaylen Brown scoring numbers. Volume scoring being the single most overvalued skill can't be stressed enough.
Marcus Smart was a literal DPOY in 2022. He and Jaylen Brown plus two picks would not have brought back KD. You have to balance the books by adjusting this board's perception of Jaylen Brown's value, not by inflating Mikal Bridges' value.

[zoyathedestroya]

Read on Twitter

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

John Karalis on WEEI: Neither Brown or Tatum are as good as the two of them, think they are...

[GoCeltics123]

Another free agent looking for work is veteran guard Austin Rivers, whom the Celtics have shown interest

Per Washburn

[watsonthedragon]

If Jaylen Brown is willing to take less so the Celtics can bring in WCJ or Okongwu then 75% of this forum is going to look pretty dumb

I'd be floored if he did though, and we saw them pass on re-signing Grant so I doubt it.

Delay has to be for something else imo

Not saying it’s going to happen, just commenting on the rumor. Don’t really think it’s far fetched though

FYI this “rumor” originated yesterday from Jimmy Stewart’s phone so it’s really means less than nothing.

[GoCeltics123]

I suggested last year, when the Cs got Brogdon, that they trade PP and sign Austin Rivers.

Don't really see Austin's role here unless he just wants to waive towels and play in garbage time, unless a guard is moved

[Andrew McCeltic]

On the Sports Hub with Murray, Gasper and B Robb,
they are discussing the possibility that the hold up in the Brown
signing is that of Jaylen willing to take less in return for them bringing in
one of his Bros. B Robb said possibly a Big, and the others noted
that Brown is following WCJ on Instagram...

If Jaylen Brown is willing to take less so the Celtics can bring in WCJ or Okongwu then 75% of this forum is going to look pretty dumb

Brogdon for WCJ/filler (Isaac's partial guarantee?) would work, but there aren't enough minutes. There would be if they traded Al/Pritchard for a better backup point guard. Like Tyus Jones.

White/Jones/Banton
Jaylen/vet min
Tatum/Hauser/Walsh
KP/WCJ/Brissett
Rob/(WCJ/)Luke

[Andrew McCeltic]

Another free agent looking for work is veteran guard Austin Rivers, whom the Celtics have shown interest

Per Washburn

Rivers has been around forever but he's only 30. 31 in August. Lot of experience, solid defender, good backup wing who can probably play a few minutes at point guard. You could do a lot worse.

[darrendaye]

I suggested last year, when the Cs got Brogdon, that they trade PP and sign Austin Rivers.

Don't really see Austin's role here unless he just wants to waive towels and play in garbage time, unless a guard is moved

Bingo. I mean, you can try to build a case that injury history of the current top 7 will lead to spates of playing time during the season, but, is that compelling enough?

[zoyathedestroya]

Brad forgot for a second that Jaylen is still on the team.

Read on Twitter

[Andrew McCeltic]

Apparently PJ Washington wants 4/64 and Charlotte hasn’t offered it - no one else is bidding and no one could offer more than the MLE.

Is there any path for us to get him? We’d have to drop a lot of salary (Brogdon) to stay below the hard cap.

What do these new salary matching rules mean for PPP sign and trades?

As of July 1, for teams below the apron:

Up to $7.5 million in outgoing salary can bring back 200 percent plus $250,000
$7,500,001 to $29 million will be padded by a flat $7.5 million
Above $29 million will be limited to 125 percent plus $250,000

If PJ signed for 4/54 Charlotte can only take back 8M, not 8M + 7.5M? Being under the apron doesn’t let them circumvent poison pill?

[darrendaye]

John Karalis on WEEI: Neither Brown or Tatum are as good as the two of them, think they are...

You can probably say the same for Karalis. But more importantly, what examples does he have to provide? Not that I'm dismissing this comment.