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Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 (UPDATE PG. 90 - Shams)

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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#401 » by Dude-niagara » Sat Jul 15, 2023 4:51 pm

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Dude-niagara wrote:Siakam is so weak, acting desperate by releasing videos yesterday and today, at least Fred sensed the fans wanted to move and did. Not Siakam, he refuses to leave and most real stars would have demanded the team trade them to contender after what they have done with him this offseason.

This is the same soft mentality that causes him to choke in big moments


You have this exactly backwards. Demanding a trade to a contender rather than wanting to be successful with the team that drafted you is soft.

'Stars' colluding to go to a team that currently have the best chance at winning a championship, that is soft.


Or maybe Siakam is like Masai, got his chip thanks to Leonard and just wants to get paid.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#402 » by ArthurVandelay » Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:25 pm

ArthurVandelay wrote:The more I look at it, the less I want any part of Hunter. That is a bad contract. Hunter in theory is a good player but between injuries and disappearing in games, nah.

With little news of late, I keep playing with Fanspo. My rule is to always aim to make things simpler in any trade. Too many players and teams is just unrealistic.

So this is my stripped down version and it also fits why Atlanta maneuvered to get further away from the luxury tax:

Atlanta gets Siakam

Toronto gets Capela (salary filler), Bey (controllable contract, bench player), AJ Griffin (the prize), Bufkin (prospect), and 2024 Sacramento 1st (draft capital). For an all-star, borderline All-NBA player that is not a big price to pay imo.

For Atlanta it keeps them with a starting SF and a big wing defender while also being under the tax enough to sign another wing for depth like Oubre Jr. Or they could trade Hunter in another follow up trade. Either way they have options.

For the Raptors they get what Masai said they’d be adding this year: shooting. Next they flip Capela either to San Antonio (raps 1st and McBuckets?) or Dallas (Hardaway Jr and OMP?).

Raps are left with depth chart:

Scottie, Schroder, Bufkin, Flynn
Trent, Dick, THJr?
Griffin, Bey, McDaniels, OPJr
OG, Boucher, Young, OMP?
Poeltl, Precious, Koloko

That gives them a summer time roster of 18 (or 17 if they traded for and Buckets). Some more work to be done to consolidate/offload guaranteed money. All their wings can actually shoot, at least they could before they hit Toronto.


Via HoopsHype:

Kevin Gray Jr: Mavs and a starting caliber center where are they on that search?

Marc Stein: I’m told this is still where the Mavericks’ trade preferences land — trying to find that elusive center — but there is no status change to my knowledge as of yet. – via Marc Stein's Substack


They waiting for Capela.

Or maybe Mavs go revisit Ayton with Suns getting THJr and Capela. Suns would have to send Payne out too.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#403 » by Potential » Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:28 pm

Just give it tf up already Siakam isn't getting traded. Raptors have made a league low 2 trades (actually Chicago has 0) since August 2021. One of them is because Dragic requested to play for a contender and the other one is because we bullied the front office into acquiring a big man. Happy Saturday!
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#404 » by ArthurVandelay » Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:30 pm

Potential wrote:Just give it tf up already Siakam isn't getting traded. Raptors have made a league low 2 trades since August 2021. One of them is because Dragic requested to play for a contender and the other one is because we bullied the front office into acquiring a big man. Happy Saturday!


So you’re saying they are due for a trade??? 8-)
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#405 » by ItsDanger » Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:40 pm

Potential wrote:Just give it tf up already Siakam isn't getting traded. Raptors have made a league low 2 trades (actually Chicago has 0) since August 2021. One of them is because Dragic requested to play for a contender and the other one is because we bullied the front office into acquiring a big man. Happy Saturday!

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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#406 » by Zeno » Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:44 pm

Potential wrote:Just give it tf up already Siakam isn't getting traded. Raptors have made a league low 2 trades (actually Chicago has 0) since August 2021. One of them is because Dragic requested to play for a contender and the other one is because we bullied the front office into acquiring a big man. Happy Saturday!

how come our bullying worked for trading for a centre but for nothing else?
When will we just change the name of 25 of the 30 teams to the Washington Generals?

Please advise….

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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#407 » by JB7 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:48 pm

The more the rumours about a deal of Siakam to the Hawks is talked about publicly, the less I think it is happening. The Hawks might have thought they were close to a deal, possibly focused on Dejounte, but when it didn’t happen, the Hawks then extended Dejounte.

The reason for the continued rumours are probably to try and get other teams into the discussions, to see if there is an alternative deal.

More likely it seems like Pascal might just be signed to an extension. Maybe all the talk of trades has got Pascal more focused on getting extended to guarantee his money, than trying to play for the supermax.

If the team is intent on using Barnes at PG, then Pascal was not the one blocking his way, it was Fred.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#408 » by Thaddy » Sat Jul 15, 2023 5:59 pm

Toronto:
Hunter, Bufkin, Hardy, and McGee

Dallas:
Okongwu

Hawks:
Siakam

Poeltl - Achiuwa
Hunter - Boucher
OG - OPJ - Dick
Trent - Hardy
Barnes - Schroder - Bufkin

We get a lot better at shooting while maintaining our size and defense. We add young pieces in Bufkin, Hardy, and even Hunter. Barnes is the defacto first option. Barnes unselfish and pass first mentality as the first option will really shine if we surround him with shooting and a good pick and roll/pop bigs like Poeltl and Hunter.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#409 » by TorontoBarneys » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:04 pm

Potential wrote:Just give it tf up already Siakam isn't getting traded. Raptors have made a league low 2 trades (actually Chicago has 0) since August 2021. One of them is because Dragic requested to play for a contender and the other one is because we bullied the front office into acquiring a big man. Happy Saturday!


Contradictory post.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#410 » by ArthurVandelay » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:05 pm

JB7 wrote:The more the rumours about a deal of Siakam to the Hawks is talked about publicly, the less I think it is happening. The Hawks might have thought they were close to a deal, possibly focused on Dejounte, but when it didn’t happen, the Hawks then extended Dejounte.

The reason for the continued rumours are probably to try and get other teams into the discussions, to see if there is an alternative deal.

More likely it seems like Pascal might just be signed to an extension. Maybe all the talk of trades has got Pascal more focused on getting extended to guarantee his money, than trying to play for the supermax.

If the team is intent on using Barnes at PG, then Pascal was not the one blocking his way, it was Fred.


I’m not sure a Barnes-Pascal-Poeltl starting lineup works. They need spacing for both Barnes and Pascal to be able to operate to their strengths.

One thing about the Hawks trade rumours, if a deal can’t be completed until August 2nd because Bufkin will be included, there isn’t a need to commit to anything at this time and lock themselves in. Who know what opportunities arise in coming weeks?
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#411 » by NotMyKawhi » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:07 pm

JB7 wrote:The more the rumours about a deal of Siakam to the Hawks is talked about publicly, the less I think it is happening. The Hawks might have thought they were close to a deal, possibly focused on Dejounte, but when it didn’t happen, the Hawks then extended Dejounte.

The reason for the continued rumours are probably to try and get other teams into the discussions, to see if there is an alternative deal.

More likely it seems like Pascal might just be signed to an extension. Maybe all the talk of trades has got Pascal more focused on getting extended to guarantee his money, than trying to play for the supermax.

If the team is intent on using Barnes at PG, then Pascal was not the one blocking his way, it was Fred.


kawhi rumors were out 2 weeks before the trade
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#412 » by KL78192020 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:12 pm

JB7 wrote:The more the rumours about a deal of Siakam to the Hawks is talked about publicly, the less I think it is happening. The Hawks might have thought they were close to a deal, possibly focused on Dejounte, but when it didn’t happen, the Hawks then extended Dejounte.

The reason for the continued rumours are probably to try and get other teams into the discussions, to see if there is an alternative deal.

More likely it seems like Pascal might just be signed to an extension. Maybe all the talk of trades has got Pascal more focused on getting extended to guarantee his money, than trying to play for the supermax.

If the team is intent on using Barnes at PG, then Pascal was not the one blocking his way, it was Fred.


I think any small chance of a trade was gone when they traded Collins. He would've been the salary dump/filler plus prospects picks for the trade. They would have to give up too much for the trade to work now. Right before when they were shipping Collins out is when the rumours started.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#413 » by KL78192020 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:14 pm

Also isn't this part 4 of Siakam Trade rumours lol. There was a 2 part 100 page thread about him going to the Blazers for their pick.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#414 » by junot111 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:16 pm

Thaddy wrote:Toronto:
Hunter, Bufkin, Hardy, and McGee

Dallas:
Okongwu

Hawks:
Siakam

Poeltl - Achiuwa
Hunter - Boucher
OG - OPJ - Dick
Trent - Hardy
Barnes - Schroder - Bufkin

We get a lot better at shooting while maintaining our size and defense. We add young pieces in Bufkin, Hardy, and even Hunter. Barnes is the defacto first option. Barnes unselfish and pass first mentality as the first option will really shine if we surround him with shooting and a good pick and roll/pop bigs like Poeltl and Hunter.

That's a 30 win team
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#415 » by REJECTEDBYCLARK » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:17 pm

Potential wrote:Just give it tf up already Siakam isn't getting traded. Raptors have made a league low 2 trades (actually Chicago has 0) since August 2021. One of them is because Dragic requested to play for a contender and the other one is because we bullied the front office into acquiring a big man. Happy Saturday!


Bobby Webster is a glorified accountant you think this guy knows how to execute trades? He views things in black and white business theory which he fails to grasp and misinterprets.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#416 » by Bruin » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:17 pm

Thaddy wrote:Toronto:
Hunter, Bufkin, Hardy, and McGee

Dallas:
Okongwu

Hawks:
Siakam

Poeltl - Achiuwa
Hunter - Boucher
OG - OPJ - Dick
Trent - Hardy
Barnes - Schroder - Bufkin

We get a lot better at shooting while maintaining our size and defense. We add young pieces in Bufkin, Hardy, and even Hunter. Barnes is the defacto first option. Barnes unselfish and pass first mentality as the first option will really shine if we surround him with shooting and a good pick and roll/pop bigs like Poeltl and Hunter.

That would be dumb. I’d much rather have Okongwu than Hardy + McGee. Just cut out Dallas
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#417 » by Potential » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:22 pm

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Potential wrote:Just give it tf up already Siakam isn't getting traded. Raptors have made a league low 2 trades (actually Chicago has 0) since August 2021. One of them is because Dragic requested to play for a contender and the other one is because we bullied the front office into acquiring a big man. Happy Saturday!


Contradictory post.


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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#418 » by Dude-niagara » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:24 pm

Zeno wrote:
Potential wrote:Just give it tf up already Siakam isn't getting traded. Raptors have made a league low 2 trades (actually Chicago has 0) since August 2021. One of them is because Dragic requested to play for a contender and the other one is because we bullied the front office into acquiring a big man. Happy Saturday!

how come our bullying worked for trading for a centre but for nothing else?



He meant to say Siakam begged Masai to trade for his buddy and give the core another chance , had the Raptors made the playoffs last season then maybe Siakam gets ALL NBA over Randle which = SUPERMAX. If Masai does not trade for Yak the day before the deadline then he most likely trades Fred/Trent

So that trade for YAK has Siakam's finger prints all over it, had Fred resigned then then Raptors are not trying to trade Siakam.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#419 » by Thaddy » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:30 pm

Bruin wrote:
Thaddy wrote:Toronto:
Hunter, Bufkin, Hardy, and McGee

Dallas:
Okongwu

Hawks:
Siakam

Poeltl - Achiuwa
Hunter - Boucher
OG - OPJ - Dick
Trent - Hardy
Barnes - Schroder - Bufkin

We get a lot better at shooting while maintaining our size and defense. We add young pieces in Bufkin, Hardy, and even Hunter. Barnes is the defacto first option. Barnes unselfish and pass first mentality as the first option will really shine if we surround him with shooting and a good pick and roll/pop bigs like Poeltl and Hunter.

That would be dumb. I’d much rather have Okongwu than Hardy + McGee. Just cut out Dallas

Okongwu can't shoot and he's an expiring contract. We need cheap young shooters on rookie deals we will have long term control over. Okongwu Vs Koloko and Achiuwa isn't a big enough difference to warrant the 10-20 million dollar per year deal he would want.
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Re: Pascal Siakam Trade Discussion 2 

Post#420 » by tdotrep2 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 6:32 pm

we seem pretty trapped in the middle

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