What % of Shaq's potential do you think he actually realized?

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What % of Shaq's potential did he realize?

97%
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90%
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26%
87%
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9%
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12%
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What % of Shaq's potential do you think he actually realized? 

Post#1 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:21 pm

Now granted its arguable whether any player ever has realized their full potential but if we say that someone like MJ or LeBron reached roughly 98 or 99% of it use that as a measuring stick. So take into account everything about him as a player mainly in the age 20-34 years.
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Post#2 » by Narigo » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:25 pm

He was using 60% of his full power
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Post#3 » by 70sFan » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:27 pm

I think he capitalized most of the potential he had. I don't agree with people calling top 10 players ever "lazy" or "underachievers".
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Post#4 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 8:49 pm

70sFan wrote:I think he capitalized most of the potential he had. I don't agree with people calling top 10 players ever "lazy" or "underachievers".


You wouldn't say he could have done more conditioning and defensive effort wise?
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Post#5 » by 70sFan » Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:08 pm

Cavsfansince84 wrote:
70sFan wrote:I think he capitalized most of the potential he had. I don't agree with people calling top 10 players ever "lazy" or "underachievers".


You wouldn't say he could have done more conditioning and defensive effort wise?

Conditioning - probably, but I'm not sure how much it would help him to win more. Contrary to popular belief, I think that Shaq was very well conditioned for most of his prime for someone that large.

Defensive effort - that one definitely, but:

- that would hurt his offensive effort (his motor was limited after all),
- effort wouldn't fix his other problems on that end (mobility, fundamentals, timing).
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Post#6 » by Cavsfansince84 » Sat Jul 15, 2023 9:17 pm

70sFan wrote:Conditioning - probably, but I'm not sure how much it would help him to win more. Contrary to popular belief, I think that Shaq was very well conditioned for most of his prime for someone that large.

Defensive effort - that one definitely, but:

- that would hurt his offensive effort (his motor was limited after all),
- effort wouldn't fix his other problems on that end (mobility, fundamentals, timing).


My issue would be that I think 'that large' was sort of self inflicted. I do think Shaq has a propensity for easily putting on muscle and mass but I think he sort of went in that direction on purpose as opposed to a conditioning route. As in I think he used off seasons to add muscle from about 97-00 then the season to get into shape and from about 01-04 was using the off season to eat whatever he wanted thinking he could still just use the season to get back into shape. Which carries over to his motor and ability to give effort on both ends. I think people take for granted that Shaq would have come in at 350+lb no matter what(not even the rumored close to 400lb) because he was just a big guy when I think he definitely could have maintained a weight closer to 300lb if that had been his desire. Similar to Zion.
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Post#7 » by henshao » Sat Jul 15, 2023 10:47 pm

I just can't understand how a professional basketball player can't make a freethrow
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Post#8 » by Colbinii » Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:02 am

henshao wrote:I just can't understand how a professional basketball player can't make a freethrow


It is a mental thing. Dwight shot over 90% at practice.
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Post#9 » by mcraft » Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:55 am

I think keeping his playing weight down slightly during his prime years and coming into the season in shape possibly could have helped him avoid some of the injuries but that is total speculation on my part.
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Post#10 » by No-more-rings » Sun Jul 16, 2023 1:00 am

People always talk about he should’ve kept his weight down and what not, but he had his best years when he was really heavy and strong.
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Post#11 » by Colbinii » Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:24 am

90%+
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Post#12 » by Matt15 » Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:25 am

Hard to put an exact percentage on it but I don’t think he realized most of his full potential. If I had to put a percentage on it I’d say around 90 percent.
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Post#13 » by SNPA » Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:29 am

It’s era dependent.

In most eras his potential is limited by the rules, so it would not matter if he got fat or was lazy.
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Post#14 » by 1993Playoffs » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:57 am

Maybe 80% tbh. I know that’s low but that’s how highly I think of his dominance

Just looking at his pre 2000 years I just feel he could’ve been a good bit better if he had a different mentality. He’s literally unstoppable in the paint
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Post#15 » by Calvin Klein » Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:09 am

87.4%
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Post#16 » by AdagioPace » Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:47 am

100%

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Post#17 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:38 pm

henshao wrote:I just can't understand how a professional basketball player can't make a freethrow


try shooting FT's with a softball. You'd find it pretty difficult.
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Post#18 » by tsherkin » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:42 pm

Texas Chuck wrote:
henshao wrote:I just can't understand how a professional basketball player can't make a freethrow


try shooting FT's with a softball. You'd find it pretty difficult.


The interesting part is the translation from practice to the game. Obviously, adrenaline and all of that plays a role, but Shaq shot 80% or so on non-trivial volumes of FTs in practice. Dwight, too. And other guys with huge hands didn't have quite as much trouble. Obviously, bulking up further made it worse, too, though.
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Post#19 » by RCM88x » Mon Jul 17, 2023 7:48 pm

henshao wrote:I just can't understand how a professional basketball player can't make a freethrow


For some, making the NBA is entirely independent of their ability to shoot the ball, hence we get outliers like Shaq. If everyone could shoot 85%+ from the line, then they would.
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Post#20 » by Texas Chuck » Mon Jul 17, 2023 8:17 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Texas Chuck wrote:
henshao wrote:I just can't understand how a professional basketball player can't make a freethrow


try shooting FT's with a softball. You'd find it pretty difficult.


The interesting part is the translation from practice to the game. Obviously, adrenaline and all of that plays a role, but Shaq shot 80% or so on non-trivial volumes of FTs in practice. Dwight, too. And other guys with huge hands didn't have quite as much trouble. Obviously, bulking up further made it worse, too, though.


Oh I know. Boban for instance has nice touch and his hands are much bigger than Shaq's. But I do think before just saying all NBA players should basically make every FT, there should be some understanding for why its not so simple. Just like when we were all 8, the sheer size of the ball limited how well the vast majority of us were ever going to be able to shoot. We had to grow into the ball. Well the same can be true in reverse.

Not saying its the only reason Shaq wasn't a good FT shooter, but it absolutely didn't help. And obviously for almost everyone shooting all alone in a gym is just easier for any form of shooting. I was a total non-shooter in high school, to the point, there is no way I could have played today, but in practice even I could knock down close to half my 3's, probably 60% or more from the corner, and made most of my FT's despite shooting well under 50% from the line in games, and I don't even want to know my 3PG% other than I made one career 3 lol.

And ironically as I got old and slow, I'm now a knockdown shooter. Still with ugly ass form and I shoot a set shot rather than a jumper, but now I'm a terrific spacing big lol.
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