Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[the_process]

If the Sixers are waiting for a Harden resolution(whether he goes or stays) for them to make a move in free agency, by the time the situation is resolved there probably won't be anyone left to sign. This could drag out til September.

This is my concern, and why I'd rather we start signing FAs now, or just get the damn deal done. Many on hear are asking for patience. But being patient, makes it so we don't get any good FAs, even though most are already gone, better than the slop we have. Instead, we try to get another star through the Harden trade, which is highly unlikely, but or take on expiring contracts for FA next year, when again, no real star will come here, not to mention it's an underwhelming class.

Better to cut your losses now, and have some time to make some plans, instead of waiting and making promises, that we know that Morey can't keep during next offseason.

What FAs? Who do you want to sign NOW and for how much?

There's basically nothing out there and our roster is almost full anyway.

There's every reason to wait for a better deal since there are no FAs available we can get that move the needle anyway.

Kelly Oubre and all of his boneheadness, please.

They still have the entire taxpayer mid level, correct?

[eyeatoma]

This is my concern, and why I'd rather we start signing FAs now, or just get the damn deal done. Many on hear are asking for patience. But being patient, makes it so we don't get any good FAs, even though most are already gone, better than the slop we have. Instead, we try to get another star through the Harden trade, which is highly unlikely, but or take on expiring contracts for FA next year, when again, no real star will come here, not to mention it's an underwhelming class.

Better to cut your losses now, and have some time to make some plans, instead of waiting and making promises, that we know that Morey can't keep during next offseason.

What FAs? Who do you want to sign NOW and for how much?

There's basically nothing out there and our roster is almost full anyway.

There's every reason to wait for a better deal since there are no FAs available we can get that move the needle anyway.

Kelly Oubre and all of his boneheadness, please.

They still have the entire taxpayer mid level, correct?

Doesn't have to be him just need someone. Sitting on our asses isn't the answer.

[mjkvol]

If the Sixers are waiting for a Harden resolution(whether he goes or stays) for them to make a move in free agency, by the time the situation is resolved there probably won't be anyone left to sign. This could drag out til September.

This is my concern, and why I'd rather we start signing FAs now, or just get the damn deal done. Many on hear are asking for patience. But being patient, makes it so we don't get any good FAs, even though most are already gone, better than the slop we have. Instead, we try to get another star through the Harden trade, which is highly unlikely, but or take on expiring contracts for FA next year, when again, no real star will come here, not to mention it's an underwhelming class.

Better to cut your losses now, and have some time to make some plans, instead of waiting and making promises, that we know that Morey can't keep during next offseason.

I'm among the ones preaching patience, and a primary reason is that I don't believe we are seriously competing for a championship this season, so there's no point in rushing any moves. My main concern is getting to summer 2024 with max flexibility, and although everyone is convinced there will be no one available and no moves to make, it never seems to be that way any more.

If you're sure that Morey is going to f**k us in the end, then what's the point of even caring? I'd rather develop some young players to see what we have, let Maxey loose and see if he's really what we hope he can be, and be smart with Harden and Harris with an eye on 2024.

[Arsenal]

This is my concern, and why I'd rather we start signing FAs now, or just get the damn deal done. Many on hear are asking for patience. But being patient, makes it so we don't get any good FAs, even though most are already gone, better than the slop we have. Instead, we try to get another star through the Harden trade, which is highly unlikely, but or take on expiring contracts for FA next year, when again, no real star will come here, not to mention it's an underwhelming class.

Better to cut your losses now, and have some time to make some plans, instead of waiting and making promises, that we know that Morey can't keep during next offseason.

What FAs? Who do you want to sign NOW and for how much?

There's basically nothing out there and our roster is almost full anyway.

There's every reason to wait for a better deal since there are no FAs available we can get that move the needle anyway.

Kelly Oubre and all of his boneheadness, please.

They still have the entire taxpayer mid level, correct?

There's no chance we use the tMLE considering how far into the tax we are. If they were willing to spend that kind of money they would have brought back Niang.

Plus Oubre isn't worth it. As a proven losing player, he's worth nothing more than the vet min.

[eyeatoma]

If the Sixers are waiting for a Harden resolution(whether he goes or stays) for them to make a move in free agency, by the time the situation is resolved there probably won't be anyone left to sign. This could drag out til September.

This is my concern, and why I'd rather we start signing FAs now, or just get the damn deal done. Many on hear are asking for patience. But being patient, makes it so we don't get any good FAs, even though most are already gone, better than the slop we have. Instead, we try to get another star through the Harden trade, which is highly unlikely, but or take on expiring contracts for FA next year, when again, no real star will come here, not to mention it's an underwhelming class.

Better to cut your losses now, and have some time to make some plans, instead of waiting and making promises, that we know that Morey can't keep during next offseason.

I'm among the ones preaching patience, and a primary reason is that I don't believe we are seriously competing for a championship this season, so there's no point in rushing any moves. My main concern is getting to summer 2024 with max flexibility, and although everyone is convinced there will be no one available and no moves to make, it never seems to be that way any more.

If you're sure that Morey is going to f**k us in the end, then what's the point of even caring? I'd rather develop some young players to see what we have, let Maxey loose and see if he's really what we hope he can be, and be smart with Harden and Harris with an eye on 2024.

I mean I can still care, but be realistic enough to know that we can't attract free agents, which is why I think it's better to be proactive now, and just put the best possible team around Jo that you can, and it doesn't have to be a star. If Morey wants flexibility just sign free agents to 1 year deals and then you still have capspace.

Also, why is your main concern getting to 2024 with max flexibility? If we have a few free agents that we can really sign, then sure, but you know our history. Which good FA do you think we can get? Who is either not too injured, or would actually come here over Miami/LA?

[eyeatoma]

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The #Sixers are among multiple teams mentioned as a possible landing spot for Pascal Siakam, @HPbasketball reports.

“The Hawks, Thunder, and Sixers (in a multi-team trade) were among those mentioned as possible landing spots if Toronto does actually move the All-NBA forward.”

[Jailblazers7]

I’d gladly take Pascal here in Philly but OKC would be a great destination for him. A starting 5 of Giddey/SGA/Williams/Siakim/Chet would be really interesting to watch.

[Arsenal]

Somehow turning Harden into Siakam would be a big win. Prob need to get Siakam to demand a trade via shady underhanded tactics, but that's Morey's specialty. Nurse and/or Embiid connection could pay dividends there.

[mjkvol]

This is my concern, and why I'd rather we start signing FAs now, or just get the damn deal done. Many on hear are asking for patience. But being patient, makes it so we don't get any good FAs, even though most are already gone, better than the slop we have. Instead, we try to get another star through the Harden trade, which is highly unlikely, but or take on expiring contracts for FA next year, when again, no real star will come here, not to mention it's an underwhelming class.

Better to cut your losses now, and have some time to make some plans, instead of waiting and making promises, that we know that Morey can't keep during next offseason.

I'm among the ones preaching patience, and a primary reason is that I don't believe we are seriously competing for a championship this season, so there's no point in rushing any moves. My main concern is getting to summer 2024 with max flexibility, and although everyone is convinced there will be no one available and no moves to make, it never seems to be that way any more.

If you're sure that Morey is going to f**k us in the end, then what's the point of even caring? I'd rather develop some young players to see what we have, let Maxey loose and see if he's really what we hope he can be, and be smart with Harden and Harris with an eye on 2024.

I mean I can still care, but be realistic enough to know that we can't attract free agents, which is why I think it's better to be proactive now, and just put the best possible team around Jo that you can, and it doesn't have to be a star. If Morey wants flexibility just sign free agents to 1 year deals and then you still have capspace.

Also, why is your main concern getting to 2024 with max flexibility? If we have a few free agents that we can really sign, then sure, but you know our history. Which good FA do you think we can get? Who is either not too injured, or would actually come here over Miami/LA?

Why does any discussion of free agents begin and end with max slot stars, who are the only ones who will only go to the usual destinations? I don't know who will be available, but I'd be surprised if there were no quality role players around, and that's what we need, along with getting back into the draft and developing our kids. A perfect scenario would be to trade Harden and Harris for draft capital.

I want to build a young, deep team and not be trapped in this 1-2 year window mentality. Not realistic? Well, it's being done all over the league by non-destination franchises who have gotten the message and are succeeding without star hunting. With the new CBA it's a different ball game, and the smart, forward thinking franchises are going to be the ones competing.

[LeonJordanJr24]

The goal should be to move harden and Tobias this off-season.. also Tucker and Korkmaz as well.

[Iverson Armband]

I'm among the ones preaching patience, and a primary reason is that I don't believe we are seriously competing for a championship this season, so there's no point in rushing any moves. My main concern is getting to summer 2024 with max flexibility, and although everyone is convinced there will be no one available and no moves to make, it never seems to be that way any more.

If you're sure that Morey is going to f**k us in the end, then what's the point of even caring? I'd rather develop some young players to see what we have, let Maxey loose and see if he's really what we hope he can be, and be smart with Harden and Harris with an eye on 2024.

I mean I can still care, but be realistic enough to know that we can't attract free agents, which is why I think it's better to be proactive now, and just put the best possible team around Jo that you can, and it doesn't have to be a star. If Morey wants flexibility just sign free agents to 1 year deals and then you still have capspace.

Also, why is your main concern getting to 2024 with max flexibility? If we have a few free agents that we can really sign, then sure, but you know our history. Which good FA do you think we can get? Who is either not too injured, or would actually come here over Miami/LA?

Why does any discussion of free agents begin and end with max slot stars, who are the only ones who will only go to the usual destinations? I don't know who will be available, but I'd be surprised if there were no quality role players around, and that's what we need, along with getting back into the draft and developing our kids. A perfect scenario would be to trade Harden and Harris for draft capital.

I want to build a young, deep team and not be trapped in this 1-2 year window mentality. Not realistic? Well, it's being done all over the league by non-destination franchises who have gotten the message and are succeeding without star hunting. With the new CBA it's a different ball game, and the smart, forward thinking franchises are going to be the ones competing.

That sounds good. But when you take a step back, you see we have a win-now coach, win-now ownership, a star with a limited shelf life and a GM who believes that star hunting is the only *real* path to a championship. Whether fortunately or unfortunately, thats the reality of the situation.

[eyeatoma]

I'm among the ones preaching patience, and a primary reason is that I don't believe we are seriously competing for a championship this season, so there's no point in rushing any moves. My main concern is getting to summer 2024 with max flexibility, and although everyone is convinced there will be no one available and no moves to make, it never seems to be that way any more.

If you're sure that Morey is going to f**k us in the end, then what's the point of even caring? I'd rather develop some young players to see what we have, let Maxey loose and see if he's really what we hope he can be, and be smart with Harden and Harris with an eye on 2024.

I mean I can still care, but be realistic enough to know that we can't attract free agents, which is why I think it's better to be proactive now, and just put the best possible team around Jo that you can, and it doesn't have to be a star. If Morey wants flexibility just sign free agents to 1 year deals and then you still have capspace.

Also, why is your main concern getting to 2024 with max flexibility? If we have a few free agents that we can really sign, then sure, but you know our history. Which good FA do you think we can get? Who is either not too injured, or would actually come here over Miami/LA?

Why does any discussion of free agents begin and end with max slot stars, who are the only ones who will only go to the usual destinations? I don't know who will be available, but I'd be surprised if there were no quality role players around, and that's what we need, along with getting back into the draft and developing our kids. A perfect scenario would be to trade Harden and Harris for draft capital.

I want to build a young, deep team and not be trapped in this 1-2 year window mentality. Not realistic? Well, it's being done all over the league by non-destination franchises who have gotten the message and are succeeding without star hunting. With the new CBA it's a different ball game, and the smart, forward thinking franchises are going to be the ones competing.

Yeah I i like that idea. Didn't mean it was unrealistic to get mid range to cost effects role players and starters, I thought the star route was unrealistic, especially in Philly.

[mjkvol]

I mean I can still care, but be realistic enough to know that we can't attract free agents, which is why I think it's better to be proactive now, and just put the best possible team around Jo that you can, and it doesn't have to be a star. If Morey wants flexibility just sign free agents to 1 year deals and then you still have capspace.

Also, why is your main concern getting to 2024 with max flexibility? If we have a few free agents that we can really sign, then sure, but you know our history. Which good FA do you think we can get? Who is either not too injured, or would actually come here over Miami/LA?

Why does any discussion of free agents begin and end with max slot stars, who are the only ones who will only go to the usual destinations? I don't know who will be available, but I'd be surprised if there were no quality role players around, and that's what we need, along with getting back into the draft and developing our kids. A perfect scenario would be to trade Harden and Harris for draft capital.

I want to build a young, deep team and not be trapped in this 1-2 year window mentality. Not realistic? Well, it's being done all over the league by non-destination franchises who have gotten the message and are succeeding without star hunting. With the new CBA it's a different ball game, and the smart, forward thinking franchises are going to be the ones competing.

That sounds good. But when you take a step back, you see we have a win-now coach, win-now ownership, a star with a limited shelf life and a GM who believes that star hunting is the only *real* path to a championship. Whether fortunately or unfortunately, thats the reality of the situation.

I see that and unfortunately agree with you. I believe it's a dead end that will send us back to lottery-ville sooner than later, but I'm sure it is the route they'll end up taking.

[76ciology]

Sixers FO blueprint to get star player
Step 1: fire “used” recruiter
Step 2: hire “desired player” recruiter
Step 3: “desired player” asks for a trade
Step 4: recruiter sends low ball offer people laughs at
Step 5: “desired player” plays for sixers

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[rocketsfan100]

If Morey turns James Harden into Pascal Siakam it would be a great win for the Sixers. Sure harden is still better then Siakam, but it’s more about

fit under Nurse
More athletic up front
Gives the Sixers more interior scoring options
Defensively improves the Sixers

Overall gives them more help up front

[76ciology]

Frontcourt:

Tobias/Tucker
Siakam/Reed
Embiid/Bamba

Nick Nurse era upon us.

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[mjkvol]

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If anyone ever needed evidence that simply looking at numbers, especially cumulative numbers, is deceiving, there's a final argument.

Tobias has remained healthy, and always put up numbers in his tank commander years, and cumulative lists don't differentiate between empty and meaningful scoring numbers.

It's why the various Halls of Fame have become so watered down, as compilers with long careers who might have been good players but were at no point great or among the best in the game are becoming HOFers.

We're about to see a classic example in a couple of years when Eli Manning, a middle of the road QB whose career W/L record, TD-INT ratio, and QB rating are decidedly mediocre, but who was never hurt, accumulated a lot of passing yards in a pass happy time in the NFL, and had two charmed Super Bowl runs in his 16 years (and zero playoff wins outside of those two seasons), will be a 1st ballot HOFer.

[sweetlou23]

Why should Harden stay?