Official Trade Thread Part XLV

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Yes! -- You're going to like Goodwin.

He is extremely active, a hard worker, an excellent rebounder for a guard, & a really good defender. He has developed rapidly over the last year.

Goodwin went undrafted out of college, because he could not shoot a whit. But, he has worked on that & has it at an acceptable level by now. Not a strength but not bad enough to keep him off the floor. Be good for him to get his 3-point % up a little (& I wouldn't bet against him doing just that!).

We were all happy to trade Brad, as it's obvious we need a ground-up rebuild. But, nobody was happy to see Jordan Goodwin go.

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Suns fan here, just wondering your thoughts on Jordan Goodwin?

Do you see him on our team as a Starter, Rotation Player or Depth?

Is he okay on offense or does it feel like he has a lot to learn as a PG and with shooting?

Point guard sized glue guy/energy guy. Never takes a play off at either end. Defensive whirlwind. Not exactly a maestro on offense, not the team leader type with the ball in his hands, but he does make things happen without mistakes or dumb plays. Rebounds bigger than his size. Does not turn the ball over. Needs a 3pt shot to be truly useful.

[nate33]

He is a lot like Bruce Brown, but not quite as freakishly athletic. He is a great fit in Phoenix because they have enough ball handling at other positions that they won't need a pure PG.

It won't surprise me at all if he ends up playing significant minutes in the playoffs.

[mhd]

Yeah, I'm dubious on how such a deal could work out.

With the amount of salaries being included in any Lillard trade, it's certainly possible that the Shamet's salary could be slipped in under the 125% rule sort of like how we absorbed Dinwiddie into the Westbrook deal. But where I'm dubious is that Miami is probably going to be absorbing a lot of extra salary in the Lillard for picks and filler transaction in the first place - the salary absorbed would be part of what makes the trade palatable for Portland. I seriously doubt there will be extra room available for Miami to roll in Shamet as well - particularly in light of the new CBA that makes it more and more difficult for tax apron teams to add talent.

I'd love to unload Shamet if we can get anything positive in return. It's nothing against him, but he is a bit too old and a bit too mediocre to be in our long term plans. I'd rather give his minutes to Johnny Davis, Bilal Coulibaly, Corey Kispert, and Jordan Poole.

At 26, Shamet would be younger than Kuzma (27), Cooks (27), Tyus (27) Muscala (32) and Gill (30), if he's still around. I assume 34-year old Gallo will be gone.

Yeah, and I'd happily get rid of Cooks, Gill, Gallo and Muscala too. It's okay to keep one or two as veteran mentors, but if they were all gone, I wouldn't mind at all.

Kuzma and Tyus are slightly different because they are actually starting caliber NBA players. Yeah, they're too old to be part of our future core, but it's okay to have one or two vets who can carry some of the load so that the youngsters don't have to take on a role they're ultimately not suited to handle. Also, there's the real possibility that they play themselves into higher trade value because they will have the opportunity to do so.

I'd be ok keeping Gill. Kispert raved about how much of a vet leader he was. You can't have too many young guys on a team. Gill is always cheering and seems like a good vet. He's perfectly content being the 15th man and not playing, while also always being ready to play. He makes peanuts in salary.

[nate33]

Shamet has to go.
He is already annoying me and one of my least favorite wizards in history for me

Pistons fan with a random thought/question.

Pistons have too many bigs and Shamet is one of your many guards as well as a player that could potentially block players that might actually be worth developing or a player the team has already highly invested in (lottery pick Johnny Davis). For Detroit, Shamet is a player that our new head coach was very trusting of when they were both with Phoenix.

So it’s kind of an addition by subtraction trade for both.

Honestly does this make sense for Washington?

I just came across this in the JD thread.

I think Shamet for Bagley makes a fair bit of sense. The only issue is that Bagley is guaranteed for the next 2 years whereas Shamet has team options in every year of his contract. He is a walking TPE. That salary flexibility has value and Detroit needs to pay for it. Give us our 2024 2RP back and I'd do it.

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From the SL thread:

Just seen Anthony Black highlights from his first game, and ...Black looks like a big brain out there.

Says a lot that even with Fultz and Suggs already on the roster Orl drafted Black at 6 to be its PG of the future. ...

I'd be circling Orlando like a vulture, hoping to pick off Suggs in a trade.

A very interesting idea!

What would be a package that might interest Orlando?

I can see Delon Wright as part of it -- he gives them a very high level defensive guard who also posts a reliably solid TS% while not needing a lot of shots.

But that doesn't get the deal done, obviously....

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Again... from another thread:

I'd be circling Orlando like a vulture, hoping to pick off Suggs in a trade.

Kispert+Wright for Suggs.

I'd hate to part with my current favorite Wizard, but I guess you gotta give something to get something.

Or maybe we are better off waiting to grab him in free agency in 2 years without trading anything. It's hard to believe Orlando will be willing to pay all 3 of Fultz, Suggs and Black when they're all essentially the same type of player (tall, defense-first PG's with suspect shooting).

I think Kispert & Wright for Suggs is the right kind of move for us to make. I wonder whether it would interest Orlando, however.

Plus, like nate, I'm pretty high on Kispert.

[NatP4]

Orlando seems to be building around this:

Black Fultz
Howard Anthony
Wagner
Banchero Isaac
Carter ???

They just signed Ingles for shooting/wing depth, obviously want to start winning. Seems like Gafford could be a real target for them.

Something like Wright+Gafford for Harris+Bitadze+Suggs could work. Bitadze is developing nicely into a quality C, just doesn’t play enough.

Kispert and Suggs seem to be good friends. Love to keep Kispert from a team culture perspective.

[nate33]

Orlando seems to be building around this:

Black Fultz
Howard Anthony
Wagner
Banchero Isaac
Carter ???

They just signed Ingles for shooting/wing depth, obviously want to start winning. Seems like Gafford could be a real target for them.

Something like Wright+Gafford for Harris+Bitadze+Suggs could work. Bitadze is developing nicely into a quality C, just doesn’t play enough.

Kispert and Suggs seem to be good friends. Love to keep Kispert from a team culture perspective.

I like that a lot better.

I might be irrationally overvaluing Kispert, but I got real excited with the way he played at the end of last season, increasing his usage from 12% to 18%. Kispert at a 12% usage is a dime-a-dozen player. But Kispert on 18-20% usage is an offensive force. Plus, he's a great locker room presence.

Gafford is a solid player on a good contract, but he is also replaceable. Rim runners just aren't THAT hard to find. And even if you do find them, they're really only regular season minutes eaters. In the playoffs, you need your center to have more versatility or they get played off the floor.

Wright + Gafford + 2RP's for Suggs + filler would be awesome. As a side benefit, the hole left behind at center is a roster imbalance that would guarantee the tank for another year.

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Wright is an expiring 31-year-old veteran.
Do you think they'd give us Harris straight up for him? Seems unlikely to me.

Would they give us Suggs & Bitadze for Gafford?
How about just Suggs for Gafford?

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IF someone offered us a late 1st (lottery protected or from Bos/Mil/etc.) plus an equivalent (but not worse) bad contract, which veteran player on our team would you NOT deal for it?

Gafford?
Kuzma?
Avdija?
Kispert?
Davis?
Poole?
Tyus?

(I'm assuming Wright, Shamet, Gallinari, Gill, etc. would be out the door before the phone finished ringing)

[nate33]

IF someone offered us a late 1st (lottery protected or from Bos/Mil/etc.) plus an equivalent (but not worse) bad contract, which veteran player on our team would you NOT deal for it?

Gafford?
Kuzma?
Avdija?
Kispert?
Davis?
Poole?
Tyus?

(I'm assuming Wright, Shamet, Gallinari, Gill, etc. would be out the door before the phone finished ringing)

Avdija and Kispert. Possibly Kuzma

Avdija and Kispert are the only 2 guys that I could see still being a part of a contending Wizards roster 5 or so years into the future. Also, because of their RFA rights, there's a greater likelihood that they can be resigned on a team friendly deal, giving them more value, and arguably more value than a random #28ish pick in the draft.

A late 1st for Kuzma may or not be a good deal depending on the contract coming back. It's possible that I'd prefer to keep Kuzma because I think the trade offers will get better as we advance further into his descending contract.

Tyus has limited value because in one year he will get paid a market value contract. If you can get a 1st for him, you have to take it.

Gafford is basically a place-holder at center. He is fine, but I don't envision him as the starting center of our future. So if we can get a first for him, I'd take it.

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I agree Deni might get a team friendly contract because his numbers have been so poor relative to the flashes of potential we all see. I would deal everyone else for a first (remember the contract coming in for Kuzma is equivalent so also descending) because while I see Kispert being a decent player, I also see his skill set as so obvious that someone will probably offer him an above market value contract as an RFA and he will end up not being a good value deal while hurting the tank. But it's close.

The big questions for me are Tyus and Poole. If the Wiz think Poole can actually play point well, then he becomes more valuable than a 1st and an equally awful contract. If not, I'd extend/resign to pay Tyus market value because he's the kind of guy that helps the other guys realize their potential.

[gambitx777]

I agree Deni might get a team friendly contract because his numbers have been so poor relative to the flashes of potential we all see. I would deal everyone else for a first (remember the contract coming in for Kuzma is equivalent so also descending) because while I see Kispert being a decent player, I also see his skill set as so obvious that someone will probably offer him an above market value contract as an RFA and he will end up not being a good value deal while hurting the tank. But it's close.

The big questions for me are Tyus and Poole. If the Wiz think Poole can actually play point well, then he becomes more valuable than a 1st and an equally awful contract. If not, I'd extend/resign to pay Tyus market value because he's the kind of guy that helps the other guys realize their potential.

As spons as Jones is extension eligible i would offer him 16-19 mill a year or 20 depending. He's a good guy to have a round as a vet.

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[gambitx777]

Wright is an expiring 31-year-old veteran.
Do you think they'd give us Harris straight up for him? Seems unlikely to me.

Would they give us Suggs & Bitadze for Gafford?
How about just Suggs for Gafford?

Why do we want suggs at this rate? I mean why would we give them our only center for a dude who isn't gonna crack the rotation right now and might not even get minutes over guys like Johnny (shows some real potential defensively) and Rollins ( looks like Goodwin plus). That might be a hot take but with a solid starting line of Jones and Poole and kispert being in the mix at the 2. Idk I don't wanna give up much for suggs at this point.

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Well... I was responding to someone else's suggested trade idea. I don't have much interest in Suggs. & all your points are good ones.

[gambitx777]

Well... I was responding to someone else's suggested trade idea. I don't have much interest in Suggs. & all your points are good ones.

Sorry piff I just responded my bad! Hope that wasn't aggressive!

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[gambitx777]

So I heard the hornets were interested in our boy wright?

I don't see a trade other than some under preforming young guys we don't have spots for.

Bought knight and Kai Jones for wright works but I don't know how we make the spots.

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Well... I was responding to someone else's suggested trade idea. I don't have much interest in Suggs. & all your points are good ones.

Sorry piff I just responded my bad! Hope that wasn't aggressive!

Not at all, Gamby... no way!

[pcbothwel]

So I heard the hornets were interested in our boy wright?

I don't see a trade other than some under preforming young guys we don't have spots for.

Bought knight and Kai Jones for wright works but I don't know how we make the spots.

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We have plenty of young guys on the team right now, and other than a 4/5, I dont see the available PT.
I'd be much more interested in top 45 picks.

Like Gallinari, I think he's extremely valuable to contenders if healthy due to skill set and salary. I have no problem holding on to him until the deadline.