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**The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two**

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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#601 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:29 am

younggunsmn wrote:
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younggunsmn wrote:As much as it would be great to get our hands on Giddey and/or their treasure trove of draft picks,
I think their front office is way too smart to touch KAT's contract.
Especially in their smaller market.
I just don't think he is a fit there.

You make it sound like Giddey is Chris Paul. He is not at all star level yet and may not reach it. OKC are going to paid out 3 max contracts if Giddy or Chet turns out to be selected to a single all star game. So it's either paid Towns or Giddey/Chet. As I said before, there will be 50 max contracts in NBA in a few years. Basically, any players ever makes a single all star game near their contract year will get a max contract.


You are severely underrating Josh Giddey.
He put up 16/8/6 on 48% shooting last year, and if he keeps improving his 3 point shooting he will be a multi time all-star.
SGA is an undersized ISO scoring guard, and Giddey is the perfect compliment as a big guard who can defend, rebound, pass, and take it to the rim. OKC would not trade him for KAT straight up and it isn't even close.

KAT does not just have a max contract, he has a 7-10 year vet supermax contract, which is 10+ mil a year higher than your standard max. His extension will start about 15 mil a year higher than Ant's for example.
He has a contract that was supposed to be reserved for MVP contender level players at the time that the concept of a supermax contract was introduced.

Josh shoot 26.3% from 3s 1st year, 32.5% last year. How do you know he doesn't end up like Tyreke Evans, Michael Carter-Williams, or Brogdon? What number did KAT put up in his second year?

Supermax are not just for MVPs. That is not how the rules are setup. The players that are signed for supermax now are: Zion, Beal, Lillard, Booker, Towns, Embiid, Luka, Jokic, Curry, Anteokounmpo – who on this list do you think are going to win MVP in the future? The next batch are: Brown and Tatum. Other potential players are: Siakam, Ingram, Ant, Ball, Murray, Zack. I am sure I missed some. All they have to do is make the All NBA third team. Do you think any of them are going to tell their team management that they don't want to sign a supermax if they qualify? I don't like the supermax rule but it is what it is.

Wait until you see how much Brown, Tatum, and the new batch gets, Towns' contract will look very reasonable. Besides, what is Town's extra 15M on a 200M budget? I am sure we could manage around it and please don't tell me Towns don't deserve a max contract. Any NBA team would pay him that. We can't get hung up on his injured year.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#602 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 16, 2023 3:56 am

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urinesane wrote:Ownership, Finch, and this roster want to WIN (especially Ant). Every single proposed trade of KAT undermines that goal by bringing back assets that either don't move the needle or set the timeline for winning (i.e. getting to the 2nd round) back at least a season or two (if not three). Connelly has said that the goal is to get past the first round, so that is where their sights are set. Unless a team makes an offer that isn't just mid level pieces and future FRPs, KAT isn't going anywhere this offseason.

I for one am glad that they aren't looking to kick the can down the road again by trading KAT for pennies on the dollar, because they already have the future stars ON THE ROSTER and two current stars in Gobert and KAT. Trading a current star for a "potential future star" is a terrible move, especially if it's just to save some money in the future. If this team is a winner, revenue will go up (as well as the value of the franchise) and as just mentioned Gobert is older, so it makes more sense on the current Ant timeline to move him when the time comes rather than KAT.

Trading Gobert down the line makes the most sense since you can find a defensive minded center easier than a unicorn (KAT) of a center that is so versatile on offense (and not nearly as bad on defense as his critics would have you believe).

Running it back is the only choice that makes sense for their stated goals.

pololutely, absitively the way to go.

I feel like all these KAT for future picks trades are just Twolves not used to be in win now mode. We been living as caterpillar for 20 years and can't handle life as a butterfly. Let's chop the wings off so we could live under a rock again. I don't know if we eventually going to be a butterfly or a moth but at least we are flying. Just have fun and spend some else's money. Let Connelly worry about dancing around the cap. I actually like to have both KAT and Gobert on the team. We maybe over 2nd apron for a year or two but Gobert's future contract will be more like around 20M a year.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#603 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:21 am

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urinesane wrote:
Klomp wrote:28/11 in just 29 minutes. A masterful performance when his team needed it most!


There's been so much noise, people forget how dominant he can be (and he isn't past his prime in that regard).

Short memory spans around here.


Thing is, this should be a standard for KAT at this point, not a highlight. That line was on par with Jokic's worst game in the playoffs for example

What is wrong with a player that puts up 23pt/11.2; shoots 39.5% from 3s? Chris Webber only averages around 20/10. Towns is not Jokic but unfortunately, he did make All NBA third team. So, he qualifies for supermax.
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**The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#604 » by minimus » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:23 am

I have been one of Towns supporters. But let's not derail this conversation to player hate or our overreactions either positive or negative. It is not only about Towns as player. The whole situation has changed because there are multiple underlying dynamics:

- first and foremost Edwards development into superstar. It created unique opportunity to develop Towns-Edwards duo, while Edwards was on rookie contract and Towns was on max, not supermax contract. It was a luxury to have two stars on such deals at the same time. We don't have such luxury anymore

- Gobert trade. Here there are two extremes: first is that MIN traded away their future. It is not true as long as we have Edwards, McDaniels, Reid and raw prospects such as Minott and Miller. And we still have FRPs, but we can't trade them before draft. Second extreme is that late picks are nothing. Well, it hurts me every time when I watch Kessler Walker and Keyonte George playing well. But the biggest thing for me is that after Gobert trade we lost any flexibility moving forward. We are basically out of any major trade conversation because of the Stepien rule

- new CBA that is built exactly to make life harder for such team as MIN who tried to assemble roster with three max contracts. With no flexibility after Gobert trade and we will see the nightmare for any FO in terms of management, because these two factors multiple negative effect when combined together

- we also have these two unbelievable development stories of McDaniels and Reid. By the time of Gobert trade it was not evident, but a lot has changed during last season. Reid has signed a new contract extension just above MLE and McDaniels is negotiating close to max extension

- we traded away DLo, PG who in theory fits Edwards timeline, and once again we don't have long-term solution at PG

- Towns did not play whole season last five seasons. He missed 50+ games last season. They were 50% team without him. He remains an elite shooting big, but he clearly plays out of position and as a big wing he doesn't have any big advantages that made him a superstar playing at C. In other words: we have an expensive car with V8 motor but we can't pay the first loan payment. It is still a very good car, fast and unique but we have other cars are more suited to use in every day. And we still need a more versatile SUV

- Anderson has turned out as one of the best MLE signings in last 10 years. He filled starting PF role nicely, but we can't keep him llnext season

- Conley trade turned out as a big win in terms of bringing here mix of maturity, effort, veteran presence and production on the court. But we can't afford him after next season

- we have very ambitious new owners who already showed some questionable decision making by trading for Gobert and who still haven't paid any luxury tax bill in NBA

As you can see there are many things as contextand there is no easy solution.

All "running back" points are valid as well:

- increase Towns value

- make deep postseason run

- find workarounds like PHO does, sign only vetmin, min contracts

We absolutely should disregard BS things from unconfirmed sources like BR, we also should take in consideration that beat writer such as John K. will never report anything that can harm organization interest. We understand that Doogie will throw every piece of information to get our attention. Guys like Jack Borman, Dane Moore are not paid by MIN. Dane is one who has good balance of being MIN fan, basketball writer. I remember Dane particularly a few times wrote/said things about players which beat writer like John K. would never say. Like Dieng being overpaid and Vando being bad shooter. Dane was roasted for these comments. But at the end of the end it was true: Dieng was massively overpaid, Vando is still a bad shooter. And if these guys see concerning issues, they give rational base, CBA sheets etc. These are legit reasons to be concerned. It is much more than "we are all doomed" or "everything will be fine". I guess we can also learn this approach.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#605 » by Battletrigger » Sun Jul 16, 2023 10:59 am

Slim Tubby wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
Nick K wrote:Are we still talking about trading KAT? Geez! The team has made it clear they are not going to move Kat. No matter how much some wish it so.

Let's talk about Dallas moving Luka. Just as bad.


Since it's on the main news of realgm and reported yesterday in many other sites, is a normal talk.

Or do you expect the team plublic says is shopping him to the best bidder?


So, some bored writer creates a misleading headline to create interest and clicks. Automatically, some of you assume this means the Wolves have been proactively pounding the phones trying to peddle Towns to the highest bidder?

Is it safe to assume that many teams called the Wolves inquiring about KAT's availability? Obviously. What team wouldn't want a 27 year old All NBA player on their roster? Towns would already be moved if we were making him available.

How are some of you actually going to root for the Wolves this year with KAT on the roster? For those of you with short memories, we probably don't even make the Play-in tourney if Towns doesn't return from injury and produces the way he did but of course...he's a terrible fit and the reason for all our woes. Karl is nothing more than a scapegoat by some.



How can you elaborate such kind of assumptions for my comment?

What happened man? You were with the sausage in your hand watching some woke onlyfans videos, then switched to realgm, read my comment and that really made you hard?

If I have to choose between a NBA reporter or a random fanboy form the internet, it's a easy choice. But you can continue with your narrative if that makes you happy.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#606 » by Slim Tubby » Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:15 pm

Battletrigger wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:
Battletrigger wrote:
Since it's on the main news of realgm and reported yesterday in many other sites, is a normal talk.

Or do you expect the team plublic says is shopping him to the best bidder?


So, some bored writer creates a misleading headline to create interest and clicks. Automatically, some of you assume this means the Wolves have been proactively pounding the phones trying to peddle Towns to the highest bidder?

Is it safe to assume that many teams called the Wolves inquiring about KAT's availability? Obviously. What team wouldn't want a 27 year old All NBA player on their roster? Towns would already be moved if we were making him available.

How are some of you actually going to root for the Wolves this year with KAT on the roster? For those of you with short memories, we probably don't even make the Play-in tourney if Towns doesn't return from injury and produces the way he did but of course...he's a terrible fit and the reason for all our woes. Karl is nothing more than a scapegoat by some.



How can you elaborate such kind of assumptions for my comment?

What happened man? You were with the sausage in your hand watching some woke onlyfans videos, then switched to realgm, read my comment and that really made you hard?

If I have to choose between a NBA reporter or a random fanboy form the internet, it's a easy choice. But you can continue with your narrative if that makes you happy.


Yawn. Sounds like you have plenty of practice holding your own sausage thinking about grown men. Do better.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#607 » by Slim Tubby » Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:49 pm

NBA Rumors: ESPN Insiders agree to watch Wolves at 2024 NBA Trade Deadline (Dunking with Wolves)

If the ancient Greeks believed that the center of the known world (and at that time, the universe) was Delphi, Greece, then it falls to reason that the center of the NBA at the upcoming 2024 NBA Trade Deadline is the Minnesota Timberwolves. How so? Well, NBA experts, analysts, and pundits continue to point to the Timberwolves roster expecting the team to break up the frontcourt due to the investments made by the team already. And so far, that simply has not happened.

That may be the plan all along.

When the Timberwolves traded for All-Star center Rudy Gobert, I don’t believe that the Minnesota Timberwolves were not aware of the salary commitments that the team assumed with that trade. In fact, I suspect that the Timberwolves made the trade knowing full well that the feasible shelf life for the deal was no greater than the end of the 2023-24 NBA season.

NBA Rumors will persist for the Wolves this year

If the Minnesota Timberwolves roster fails to congeal this season, then there could be a lot of trade activity for the team in 2024.

But ESPN Insider Tim McMahon believes that the Minnesota Timberwolves will be far more active far sooner if the Wolves do not show up in a big way (pun intended) with their High Wall defense this season. In fact, both McMahon and ESPN Insiders Jamal Collier and Marc Spears agree that the Minnesota Timberwolves are the team and power forward Karl-Anthony Towns is the player to watch at the 2024 NBA Deadline.

With the Timberwolves struggling with injuries throughout the 2022-23 NBA season, many who casually follow the Timberwolves believe that the experiment of pairing Gobert with Towns is already a bust. In that type of setting, predicting a huge trade to absolve the team from the gaffe is an easy and expected prediction and one that three ESPN NBA analysts are eager to bite into.

Minnesota Timberwolves rumors: The team to watch at the 2024 NBA Trade Deadline

When asked which player will be a big storyline at the 2024 NBA Trade Deadline, both McMahon and Collier pointed at the Minnesota Timberwolves and Karl-Anthony Towns and discussed the Timberwolves’ salary cap situation. In fact, both offered similar reasoning:

‘There has been some discussion about Towns, but it shouldn’t be a surprise if that gets much louder as the trade deadline nears. The face of the franchise for the Timberwolves has transitioned to Edwards, fresh off signing a new potential supermax extension. If Minnesota is going to make another major change, it would need to be by trading Towns.’ – as per ESPN Insider Tim McMahon

That seems to be a rather strong opinion, doesn’t it?

ESPN experts agree: Timberwolves rumors will ignite at the NBA Trade Deadline

Not to be outdone, Jamal Collier also chimed in as well:

‘Towns. Minnesota did not live up to expectations last season, and had Towns not missed such a significant portion of the campaign with an injury, there might already be more questions surrounding that roster.’ – as per ESPN Insider Jamal Collier

While a bit less verbose, Spears named the Minnesota Timberwolves and Karl-Anthony Towns the nod as names to watch at the 2024 NBA Trade Deadline too:

‘If (Jerami) Grant’s salary weren’t so high, I could see him as a potential player for the rebuilding Blazers to move. I’m keeping an eye on Towns; it’s the Anthony Edwards show now.’ – as per ESPN Insider Marc Spears

So three of the five ESPN NBA Insiders voted for the Minnesota Timberwolves. So who were the other experts leaning to on this subject? Tim Bontemps suggested that the Cleveland Cavaliers and Donovan Mitchell could be heating up NBA rumors. Kendra Andrews takes a different path, naming the Dallas Mavericks and Luka Doncic.

That’s a 60 percent consensus, which is fairly reflective of the number of rumors that cite the Minnesota Timberwolves and trade scenarios that seem to fixate on moving Towns this offseason and/or potentially moving him at the 2024 NBA Trade Deadline.

Can expert consensus get it wrong?

While a consensus of NBA experts, pundits, and insiders carries some weight, it’s by far and away not a sure thing. Particularly now in the sports universe of Skip Bayless, Colin Cowherd, and Stephen A. Smith, reporting is as much about triggering emotional responses as it is about passing along information. Emotions equate to controversy, and controversy equates to views.

While I’m not suggesting that professionals who have highly regarded reputations in any professional sport are guilty of outright lying, I do believe that there is a strong bias towards SWAG-ging speculation. Scientific Wild Arsed Guessing. So what would it take for the Timberwolves to trade Karl-Anthony Towns at the trade deadline?


Condition IV: The Timberwolves would need to fall short of expectations

For the Minnesota Timberwolves to willingly engage in trading a player of Karl-Anthony Towns’ status, one of two situations would need to be present. Either he would need to make trade demands, much like that of Kevin Durant from the Brooklyn Nets last season, or the Minnesota Timberwolves would need to be so far out of the NBA Playoffs picture by the time the 2024 NBA Trade Deadline arrived, that the Timberwolves would be compelled to trade Towns to shed his salary cap spike.

But Towns has repeatedly stated that he loves playing for the Minnesota Timberwolves. So that means that the team will keep Towns, with the exception of the team playing far below expectations again.

Is that, realistic?

Perhaps. If injuries resume and barrage the Timberwolves roster throughout the 2023-24 NBA season, there could be another letdown. Still, that seems unlikely to me. Not only did the team make moves to synch up players on the roster at the 2023 NBA Trade Deadline, but the team addressed the players who were underperforming on the Timberwolves roster in the offseason. Even if the team does face injuries in the 2023-24 NBA season, the Timberwolves should be in a better position to compete.

But to make these NBA Rumors believable, the Timberwolves will need to struggle. Now, what else?

Condition III: The Year of the KAT

It makes no sense for the Minnesota Timberwolves to sell or trade veteran power forward Karl-Anthony Towns when his value is deflated. The Timberwolves clearly have a lot invested in Towns, and value his production greatly. So, if you buy or build an expensive home, you don’t flip that home for a deep discount, do you?

Even if the Timberwolves sense that their salary cap position in the 2024 offseason will become chaotic, that adds no incentive for their front office to trade KAT prematurely. To make a trade at that time, the Timberwolves would need to get an offer that is so incredible and irresistible, that it compels the Wolves to make the deal. And the only way to attract those types of deals is for Karl-Anthony Towns to up career-high numbers.

Condition II: Other front-court players would need to have great seasons as well

If Karl-Anthony Towns is kicking names and taking ass, then the Timberwolves would want to keep him as the team lined up for the 2024 NBA Playoffs. Why would the team have any reason to deal away Towns at the 2024 NBA Trade Deadline? The only reason would be to free up minutes for other young players who are having a lights-out type of season as well.

If Naz Reid puts up Towns-like numbers, or other young players start showing great potential, then the Timberwolves might be willing to trade away Towns. The team would not find a trade partner if Towns struggles and the team would not want to trade Towns if there is nobody on the roster who can step up after a trade to fill his shoes in rotations.

And so, there is a fine area of intersection where Towns is playing well enough to attract trade offers, but other players must be playing well enough to take up the slack.

Timberwolves need to have a motivated trading partner

The toughest part of any trade scenario is not the components of the trade, but to identify the two or more NBA teams who ultimately agree that a trade is mutually beneficial for both teams. That is the rub.

NBA fans who propose trades often miss the mark on this point. While fans believe that a team must or should make a trade to improve the team, the NBA team’s front office does not always agree. And you can double that factor as we create NBA trade scenarios between two or more teams. After all, both teams must feel that their situation is improved by a trade. If one team emerges with an indecisive return from that trade, why do it?

Worst of all, it’s not just points and rebounds that motivate teams to trade. The NBA salary cap, a speed bump for fans who explore trades, is a huge component of any roster changes for NBA teams.

Having said all that, will there be a market for Karl-Anthony Towns at the 2024 NBA Trade Deadline? Of course. But will it be along the lines of “Just wondering what you want for him?” or more akin to “We are prepared to meet whatever your asking price is for him?”

Summing it all up

The belief that the Minnesota Timberwolves will trade Karl-Anthony Towns is a great headline, and it certainly is one of the hottest and most common NBA rumors going right now. But practically speaking, the actual effort to pull off a trade for Towns, or any major NBA player, takes a lot of time.

Doubt that? How long did it take for the Brooklyn Nets to trade Kevin Durant, a player who demanded a trade? Need more proof? Portland Trail Blazers veteran point guard Damian Lillard wants to be traded, but that has been the case for weeks and so far it does not appear that a trade is anywhere close to happening.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#608 » by guest81 » Sun Jul 16, 2023 12:52 pm

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guest81 wrote:
urinesane wrote:
There's been so much noise, people forget how dominant he can be (and he isn't past his prime in that regard).

Short memory spans around here.


Thing is, this should be a standard for KAT at this point, not a highlight. That line was on par with Jokic's worst game in the playoffs for example

What is wrong with a player that puts up 23pt/11.2; shoots 39.5% from 3s? Chris Webber only averages around 20/10. Towns is not Jokic but unfortunately, he did make All NBA third team. So, he qualifies for supermax.


Those aren't playoff averages
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#609 » by KGdaBom » Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:08 pm

guest81 wrote:
TimberKat wrote:
guest81 wrote:
Thing is, this should be a standard for KAT at this point, not a highlight. That line was on par with Jokic's worst game in the playoffs for example

What is wrong with a player that puts up 23pt/11.2; shoots 39.5% from 3s? Chris Webber only averages around 20/10. Towns is not Jokic but unfortunately, he did make All NBA third team. So, he qualifies for supermax.


Those aren't playoff averages

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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#610 » by cmoss84 » Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:41 pm

KAT will definitely be "kicking names and taking ass" this year! :lol:
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#611 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:31 pm

urinesane wrote:
twolves31 wrote:
urinesane wrote:Ownership, Finch, and this roster want to WIN (especially Ant). Every single proposed trade of KAT undermines that goal by bringing back assets that either don't move the needle or set the timeline for winning (i.e. getting to the 2nd round) back at least a season or two (if not three). Connelly has said that the goal is to get past the first round, so that is where their sights are set. Unless a team makes an offer that isn't just mid level pieces and future FRPs, KAT isn't going anywhere this offseason.

I for one am glad that they aren't looking to kick the can down the road again by trading KAT for pennies on the dollar, because they already have the future stars ON THE ROSTER and two current stars in Gobert and KAT. Trading a current star for a "potential future star" is a terrible move, especially if it's just to save some money in the future. If this team is a winner, revenue will go up (as well as the value of the franchise) and as just mentioned Gobert is older, so it makes more sense on the current Ant timeline to move him when the time comes rather than KAT.

Trading Gobert down the line makes the most sense since you can find a defensive minded center easier than a unicorn (KAT) of a center that is so versatile on offense (and not nearly as bad on defense as his critics would have you believe).

Running it back is the only choice that makes sense for their stated goals.


I do think Ant, Jaden and Reid continuing to get better and develop new skills can get you to the 2nd round with Gobert. We pretty much made the play-in last season without Kat and our core young three getting better is only going to improve the team. Hell had we beaten LA, we may have made the 2nd round or further this past season. Most of the proposed trades on here for KAT are terrible and I wouldn't touch, but there are realistic returns that I think you have to consider if they present themselves.


The fact is that while they could potentially make the playoffs and contend for the 2nd round without KAT, they are a MUCH better team with KAT on the roster. There is no denying that KAT improves this team's ability to win and that is the goal of the FO currently (while keeping in mind Ant's timeline). The best thing they could do for Ant's longterm future with the franchise is win early and often, so far they've done a decent job of that with the rosters/injury misfortune they've had.

You can talk about the future and money all you want, but if someone thinks this team is BETTER without KAT, they are just trying to confirm their bias against him.

The best roster this team can have this season includes a healthy KAT, period.

Going with the same theme and look at it from a different perspective: you have a team with Gobert, Naz, Ant, JMcD, and Conley (like Jazz) that made it to play-in. Now you can add a piece that is available in hope to get over the top next year. Who do you add that is available for win now? Harris, Grant, VanVleet, Harden, Beal, Poole, Kuzma, Zingis, Dame, Kyrie, Scoot and the 3 little picks, or Towns? Keep in mind it has to be someone that wants to play in the frozen tundra. Where does Towns rank on this list? I say top 3
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#612 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:38 pm

cmoss84 wrote:KAT will definitely be "kicking names and taking ass" this year! :lol:

???? :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#613 » by BlacJacMac » Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:52 pm

cmoss84 wrote:KAT will definitely be "kicking names and taking ass" this year! :lol:


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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#614 » by TimberKat » Sun Jul 16, 2023 5:58 pm

Slim Tubby wrote:NBA Rumors: ESPN Insiders agree to watch Wolves at 2024 NBA Trade Deadline (Dunking with Wolves)

That is a fairly unbiased take on the situation. At least they are talking Towns the pfd. Play out the year and see your options.

It is easy for outsiders to take a quick swing at the 3 centers without knowing how they play. It's like Wolves got Drexler and MJ and haven't pass 2nd round. They are duplicates and needed bigs. Let's trade one of them for a 2nd pick and draft a young center such as Bowie or Wiseman.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#615 » by shrink » Tue Jul 18, 2023 1:55 pm

Battletrigger wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:So, some bored writer creates a misleading headline to create interest and clicks. Automatically, some of you assume this means the Wolves have been proactively pounding the phones trying to peddle Towns to the highest bidder?

Is it safe to assume that many teams called the Wolves inquiring about KAT's availability? Obviously. What team wouldn't want a 27 year old All NBA player on their roster? Towns would already be moved if we were making him available.

How are some of you actually going to root for the Wolves this year with KAT on the roster? For those of you with short memories, we probably don't even make the Play-in tourney if Towns doesn't return from injury and produces the way he did but of course...he's a terrible fit and the reason for all our woes. Karl is nothing more than a scapegoat by some.

How can you elaborate such kind of assumptions for my comment?

What happened man? You were with the sausage in your hand watching some woke onlyfans videos, then switched to realgm, read my comment and that really made you hard?

If I have to choose between a NBA reporter or a random fanboy from the internet, it's an easy choice. But you can continue with your narrative if that makes you happy.

You are choosing to listen to the NBA reporter who says what you want to hear, and that carries the validity of any FOX or MSNBC listener, citing these as facts, and opposing views as narratives.

Ian Begley has been reporting Knicks-centered news for a long time. A quick search shows that he has said that the Wolves would be trading Kevin Love to the Knicks. He has said that we would be trading Rubio to the Knicks. He’s said that a few times. Heck, I was surprised that he even had us sending D’Angelo Russell to the Knicks! There is a presumption in NY and LA that teams that are lightly discussed can be farm teams for the big markets, and those stories generate clicks and ad revenue, either for NY outlets or splashy titles for RealGM. You need to look at the history of honest reporting before validating someone’s facts simply because they are an NBA reporter.

Worse, you know who else is an NBA reporter? Jon Krawcinski. In fact, with Associated Press and now selected for the Athletic, he is probably the premiere Wolves reporter. That NBA reporter said there is NO steam about MIN wanting to trade Karl-Anthony Towns. Going even further, he said in a podcast last week that he was surprised when he was talking to insiders at Las Vegas that there was no steam from any other teams about a Towns trade. He suggested that if a player of Towns caliber was in trade talks, it would leak from somewhere.

Could Towns eventually be traded? Sure. But it’s pretty unlikely Ian Begley is suddenly reporting a trade that’s about to happen. He may be an “NBA reporter,” just like Jon Krawcinski, but he has shown himself to not be a reliable source.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#616 » by Slim Tubby » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:53 pm

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Battletrigger wrote:
Slim Tubby wrote:So, some bored writer creates a misleading headline to create interest and clicks. Automatically, some of you assume this means the Wolves have been proactively pounding the phones trying to peddle Towns to the highest bidder?

Is it safe to assume that many teams called the Wolves inquiring about KAT's availability? Obviously. What team wouldn't want a 27 year old All NBA player on their roster? Towns would already be moved if we were making him available.

How are some of you actually going to root for the Wolves this year with KAT on the roster? For those of you with short memories, we probably don't even make the Play-in tourney if Towns doesn't return from injury and produces the way he did but of course...he's a terrible fit and the reason for all our woes. Karl is nothing more than a scapegoat by some.

How can you elaborate such kind of assumptions for my comment?

What happened man? You were with the sausage in your hand watching some woke onlyfans videos, then switched to realgm, read my comment and that really made you hard?

If I have to choose between a NBA reporter or a random fanboy from the internet, it's an easy choice. But you can continue with your narrative if that makes you happy.

You are choosing to listen to the NBA reporter who says what you want to hear, and that carries the validity of any FOX or MSNBC listener, citing these as facts, and opposing views as narratives.

Ian Begley has been reporting Knicks-centered news for a long time. A quick search shows that he has said that the Wolves would be trading Kevin Love to the Knicks. He has said that we would be trading Rubio to the Knicks. He’s said that a few times. Heck, I was surprised that he even had us sending D’Angelo Russell to the Knicks! There is a presumption in NY and LA that teams that are lightly discussed can be farm teams for the big markets, and those stories generate clicks and ad revenue, either for NY outlets or splashy titles for RealGM. You need to look at the history of honest reporting before validating someone’s facts simply because they are an NBA reporter.

Worse, you know who else is an NBA reporter? Jon Krawcinski. In fact, with Associated Press and now selected for the Athletic, he is probably the premiere Wolves reporter. That NBA reporter said there is NO steam about MIN wanting to trade Karl-Anthony Towns. Going even further, he said in a podcast last week that he was surprised when he was talking to insiders at Las Vegas that there was no steam from any other teams about a Towns trade. He suggested that if a player of Towns caliber was in trade talks, it would leak from somewhere.

Could Towns eventually be traded? Sure. But it’s pretty unlikely Ian Begley is suddenly reporting a trade that’s about to happen. He may be an “NBA reporter,” just like Jon Krawcinski, but he has shown himself to not be a reliable source.


Excellent post. Facts and truth aren't as sexy as falsified rumors meant to garner traffic clicks. Jon Krawcinski is as plugged into the MN sports scene, especially the Wolves, as any reporter during my lifetime.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#617 » by KGdaBom » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:51 pm

BlacJacMac wrote:
cmoss84 wrote:KAT will definitely be "kicking names and taking ass" this year! :lol:


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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#618 » by Folklore » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:43 am



Please go to 12:15. I think this is eye opening considering how Kats IQ is so low and just watching all of his mistakes. He's just not in his optimal position to win.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#619 » by thinktank » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:44 am

Folklore wrote:

Please go to 12:15. I think this is eye opening considering how Kats IQ is so low and just watching all of his mistakes. He's just not in his optimal position to win.


Yes, that’s concerning. Tough to evaluate KAT at PF, vs KAT at C, verses Gobert at C, when you never get to see much of KAT at C.

BUT!, we did see a lot of KAT at C in the past and his defense was not good.
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Re: **The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two** 

Post#620 » by TimberKat » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:15 am

Folklore wrote:
Please go to 12:15. I think this is eye opening considering how Kats IQ is so low and just watching all of his mistakes. He's just not in his optimal position to win.

What are we supposed to see at 12:15? Myles Turner talk about how he is a great defender?

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