Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

Post #1021 » by **165bows** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:05 pm

I guess I could get behind Winslow as a deep depth guy. They could use a versatile guy and a ball handler type. Run him out there with Al or KP and Hauser and PP for a few bench minutes.

Might be talking myself into that (shrugs).

Also, did J. Scrub get a two way and I missed it?

I think this team adds two guys after ditching Champagnie. Brad’s in deep depth mode he can be stealth at times but when he wants to stack depth he can’t hide it.

Hal14 · Post #1022 » by **Hal14** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:08 pm

165bows wrote:McDermott could get cut. Speaking of medium efficiency volume scoring lol. Any interest there?

Would the Spurs cut Bullock, he could be a poor man’s Grant replacement.

Oladipo could get cut from OKC. Or speaking of injury guys maybe Gallo gets cut lol. Maybe RobCov or Gordo Hayward could get released if a trade happened.

Some good options there. But I think the only way we'd be able to sign Gallo is if he's cut, then signed with another team and then they cut him. Which is unlikely to happen. And if the team that picks him up then cuts him, it must mean that he is not looking very good..

The first 3 guys. you mentioned though (Mcdermott, Bullock and Oladipo) seen like they could be good options for us to pick up and also a somewhat realistic chance they get cut.

Also, perhaps the knicks waive Fournier if they can't find a team willing to take him in a trade..

Hal14 · Post #1023 » by **Hal14** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:09 pm

165bows wrote:I guess I could get behind Winslow as a deep depth guy. They could use a versatile guy and a ball handler type. Run him out there with Al or KP and Hauser and PP for a few bench minutes.

Might be talking myself into that (shrugs).

Also, did J. Scrub get a two way and I missed it?

I think this team adds two guys after ditching Champagnie. Brad’s in deep depth mode he can be stealth at times but when he wants to stack depth he can’t hide it.

Yes - Scrubb got a 2-way. We now have 1 2-way slot left to fill..

zoyathedestroya · Post #1024 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:19 pm

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Post #1025 » by **165bows** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:20 pm

Hal14 wrote:
165bows wrote:McDermott could get cut. Speaking of medium efficiency volume scoring lol. Any interest there?

Would the Spurs cut Bullock, he could be a poor man’s Grant replacement.

Oladipo could get cut from OKC. Or speaking of injury guys maybe Gallo gets cut lol. Maybe RobCov or Gordo Hayward could get released if a trade happened.

Some good options there. But I think the only way we'd be able to sign Gallo is if he's cut, then signed with another team and then they cut him. Which is unlikely to happen. And if the team that picks him up then cuts him, it must mean that he is not looking very good..

The first 3 guys. you mentioned though (Mcdermott, Bullock and Oladipo) seen like they could be good options for us to pick up and also a somewhat realistic chance they get cut.

Also, perhaps the knicks waive Fournier if they can't find a team willing to take him in a trade..

Yeah Fournier that’s def the type of guy I was thinking of. The kind of overpaid back nine kind of guy that might spring loose and be a good Blake Griffin type. Ie, not at all what he was but still good as a 11th man guy.

I mean, he’s prob not the guy but that’s exactly the type of guy I was brainstorming.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1026 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:20 pm

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zoyathedestroya · Post #1028 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:29 pm

165bows wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:I didn’t know you could have three teams involved in a pick swap.

I think this one is one that was unswapped. But I kind of like the strategy of selling multiple swaps for value. If a team knows it’s going all in and isn’t valuing the pick, might as well double or triple down what they get for it.

Esp with the new apron rules and they plan on overspending into spot 30 anyways. If that’s the plan it’s almost silly not to trade five swaps on it.

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Post #1029 » by **165bows** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:37 pm

Good point in that spotrac review. What are the Knicks doing in the back court? Brunson, Quickley, Grimes, DDV just signed a very big deal there. Plus Barrett/Hart.

zoyathedestroya · Post #1030 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 7:39 pm

Championship will again boil down to having the healthiest roster at the right time.

Three of our last four eliminations in the postseason, we were favored but had the worse luck in terms of injuries/health (vs. MIA in 2020, vs. GSW in 2022, and vs. MIA last season). We still wouldn't have stood a chance in 2021 vs. the Nets even if we had JB and healthy Kemba. That roster/season was a mess that led to MAJOR changes upstairs.

Which contender's top trio has the best chance of staying healthy throughout the season/postseason?
• PHX - KD, Book, Beal
• BOS - JT, JB, KP
• MIA - Bam, Butler, Dame/Herro
• DEN - Jokic, Murray, Gordon
• LAL - Lebron, AD, Reaves (??)
• MIL - Giannis, Jrue, Khris
• PHI - Embiid, Harden, Maxey
• LAC - Kawhi, PG, ??

zoyathedestroya · Post #1031 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:01 pm

With their flurry of draft-night trades and the Williams deal, Stevens has quickly restocked Boston’s coffer of assets. He added one first-round pick, six second-round choices, and a second-round pick swap. But Stevens reiterated that this approach should not be viewed as the start of any youth movement.

“The coach in me would tell you I don’t have a ton of interest in picking eight second-round picks,” Stevens quipped. “But eventually those are trade chips. Those are potentially good second-round picks that you can use.”

Source: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2023/07/16/sports/jordan-walshs-emergence-joe-mazzullas-fight-night-here-are-11-leftover-celtics-summer-league-nuggets/

zoyathedestroya · Post #1032 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:06 pm

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Post #1033 » by **darrendaye** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:08 pm

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Andrew McCeltic · Post #1034 » by **Andrew McCeltic** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:09 pm

darrendaye wrote:This account has been nailing it all off-season, so order your jerseys.....

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That would qualify as a major market development

Bohemian · Post #1035 » by **Bohemian** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:53 pm

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zoyathedestroya · Post #1036 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 8:54 pm

As the offseason goes on and Dame still isn't traded, I'm beginning to think it would be easier to just build a contender in Portland than trade him for pieces to start your rebuild.

Just trade for OG, Siakam, Gafford, and Wright even if you lose your future. I don't think you'd even need to lose all your future 1sts. If Masai is being a dick, look elsewhere -- KAT, Embiid (if Harden gets traded), Markkanen, both Bogdanovices, Capela/Hunter, etc. Just need to let go of your young guys.

Post #1037 » by **Shak_Celts** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:07 pm

Suns signing and adding every player and their fathers and we couldn't keep Grant? Don't tell me about max when Suns have about 4 max players I think, probably 2-3 around 50 mil next year and JB won't be getting that for another few and Tatum another year to that? Either way, they are spending like wildfire and we're worried about 5 extra mil this season. I have to be missing something, no?

chrisab123 · Post #1038 » by **chrisab123** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:09 pm

lon3lytoaster wrote:
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lon3lytoaster wrote:Another day where we haven’t signed Corey Maggette to a super max is a good day.

I agree Corey Maggette at the super max would suck. He's also in his mid 40s. What does this have to do with Jaylen Brown? If you're comparing the two players its a pretty crappy comparison.

Jaylen is concerned with improving his game. Corey Maggette was more concerned with becoming Big Poppa Pump.

I just find it fascinating to say he’s concerned with improving his game when it’s been seven years as just about the same player, all while shuffling out some random clothing line no one cares about.

Jaylen Brown is Corey Maggette with higher usage in a 3pt shot era, they’re the same level of impact.

I mean if you forget about that pesky ppg stat, all nba, and all star game appearances then yeah sure. Same height. So must be the same player.

steefP2 · Post #1039 » by **steefP2** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:37 pm

Shak_Celts wrote:Suns signing and adding every player and their fathers and we couldn't keep Grant? Don't tell me about max when Suns have about 4 max players I think, probably 2-3 around 50 mil next year and JB won't be getting that for another few and Tatum another year to that? Either way, they are spending like wildfire and we're worried about 5 extra mil this season. I have to be missing something, no?

Well you’re missing that they don’t have guys like white or rob or Horford or brogdon under reasonable contracts; it’s all stars or minimum. You’re missing that because of this roster construction they’re extremely shallow. You’re maybe missing that because of this roster construction the 2nd apron doesn’t matter as much to them as they’ve bargained away any flexibility they might have anyway.

Spending into the 2nd apron essentially locks you j to your roster. It gets extremely hard to make trades and just bring in new players. Best you can do is keep your own but the suns have 0 assets to which they can make trades anyway. The Celtics oth have a lot of ability to make roster moves over the next season and to adjust the current roster; spending into 2nd apron hampers that a lot.

And lastly they’re not signing everyone; it’s literally all minimums

steefP2 · Post #1040 » by **steefP2** » Sun Jul 16, 2023 9:38 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:As the offseason goes on and Dame still isn't traded, I'm beginning to think it would be easier to just build a contender in Portland than trade him for pieces to start your rebuild.

Just trade for OG, Siakam, Gafford, and Wright even if you lose your future. I don't think you'd even need to lose all your future 1sts. If Masai is being a dick, look elsewhere -- KAT, Embiid (if Harden gets traded), Markkanen, both Bogdanovices, Capela/Hunter, etc. Just need to let go of your young guys.

I mean they tried offering Simons and the nr 3 pick for bridges and got rebuffed. Building a contender in Portland is a fools errand at this point.