Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

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Thread is dumpster fire

[zoyathedestroya]

As the offseason goes on and Dame still isn't traded, I'm beginning to think it would be easier to just build a contender in Portland than trade him for pieces to start your rebuild.

Just trade for OG, Siakam, Gafford, and Wright even if you lose your future. I don't think you'd even need to lose all your future 1sts. If Masai is being a dick, look elsewhere -- KAT, Embiid (if Harden gets traded), Markkanen, both Bogdanovices, Capela/Hunter, etc. Just need to let go of your young guys.

I mean they tried offering Simons and the nr 3 pick for bridges and got rebuffed. Building a contender in Portland is a fools errand at this point.

Is that true? That they offered 3 + Simons for Bridges? If rejected, offer the package elsewhere. Based on Blazers fans comments, it's as if their GM didn't even try hard enough. From several NBA podcast people, what I heard was once the pick got up to #3 and they had a chance at Scoot, they changed course and chose to keep the pick instead. That's what pushed Dame to finally ask out.

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What is NY doing exactly? This off season for them seems weird and I want Quickley snagged as a long term brogdon replacement.

[zoyathedestroya]

What is NY doing exactly? This off season for them seems weird and I want Quickley snagged as a long term brogdon replacement.

Per rumors, Knicks would consider extending him to 20M per year. Not sure we're going to do that esp if White is gonna get extended this year (apart from what we're about to pay our top 3 guys).

[zoyathedestroya]

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What is NY doing exactly? This off season for them seems weird and I want Quickley snagged as a long term brogdon replacement.

Per rumors, Knicks would consider extending him to 20M per year. Not sure we're going to do that esp if White is gonna get extended this year (apart from what we're about to pay our top 3 guys).

True though they’ve got Malcom on the hook for that much next year and he’s a risk to play a full season and old. Have him be the third string this year then one quality moderately priced reliable third guard is better than a smattering of cheaper guys imo.

Mainly just bored with the off-season and not sure why they signed DDV when they’ve already got so many guards but Celtics fans are not ones to talk on that after last year I guess lol.

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What is NY doing exactly? This off season for them seems weird and I want Quickley snagged as a long term brogdon replacement.

If Quickley leaves the knicks, it's probably to go somewhere he can finally be a full-time starter.

[zoyathedestroya]

Roster Reset:

White | Brown | Tatum | Porzingis | Horford
Brogdon | Pritchard | Hauser | Walsh | Timelord
Banton | Champagnie (NG) | ?? | Brissett | Kornet (NG)

Two-Ways: Davison, Scrubb, ??

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Roster Reset:

White | Brown | Tatum | Porzingis | Horford
Brogdon | Pritchard | Hauser | Walsh | Timelord
Banton | Champagnie (NG) | ?? | Brissett | Kornet (NG)

Two-Ways: Davison, Scrubb, ??

Yup. I think Brissett gets more minutes than Walsh early on. And I think Champs is a goner once it’s clear he’s not trade fodder.

So imo there’s a couple more experienced depth guys that get added among 2-4 is what it looks like atm.

[darrendaye]

Roster Reset:

White | Brown | Tatum | Porzingis | Horford
Brogdon | Pritchard | Hauser | Walsh | Timelord
Banton | Champagnie (NG) | ?? | Brissett | Kornet (NG)

Two-Ways: Davison, Scrubb, ??

Yup. I think Brissett gets more minutes than Walsh early on. And I think Champs is a goner once it’s clear he’s not trade fodder.

So imo there’s a couple more experienced depth guys that get added among 2-4 is what it looks like atm.

Even though he signed for the vet min, I'd have to think Brissett had enough of a resume to garner decent market interest where he would need assurances of playing time to sign. Banton is a different story.

[Celts17Pride]

I personally believe Stevens and Mazzulla are fine with White/Pritchard/Banton as the point guard rotation and I'm still expecting Brogdon to be moved for a backup 2 and a backup 3/4. Either by the trade directly or the ability to use a TPE or MLE.

Edit: I also believe that after the Brogdon trade that both D White and Pritchard will be extended.

[Andrew McCeltic]

What is NY doing exactly? This off season for them seems weird and I want Quickley snagged as a long term brogdon replacement.

Per rumors, Knicks would consider extending him to 20M per year. Not sure we're going to do that esp if White is gonna get extended this year (apart from what we're about to pay our top 3 guys).

True though they’ve got Malcom on the hook for that much next year and he’s a risk to play a full season and old. Have him be the third string this year then one quality moderately priced reliable third guard is better than a smattering of cheaper guys imo.

Mainly just bored with the off-season and not sure why they signed DDV when they’ve already got so many guards but Celtics fans are not ones to talk on that after last year I guess lol.

Wasn't Quickley the runner-up to Brogdon for 6th Man of the Year? Different players, but comparable talents, Quickley's younger...

[Andrew McCeltic]

I personally believe Stevens and Mazzulla are fine with White/Pritchard/Banton as the point guard rotation and I'm still expecting Brogdon to be moved for a backup 2 and a backup 3/4. Either by the trade directly or the ability to use a TPE or MLE.

Edit: I also believe that after the Brogdon trade that both D White and Pritchard will be extended.

You'd have to drop about 5M in salary in a Brogdon deal to use the Grant TPE and stay under the apron..

There are Brogdon scenarios that would balance the roster, add cap flexibility and make us a little younger and healthier, that are plausible, but the market is there or it isn't. It's about timing even more than raw player value.

[zoyathedestroya]

Stevens traded this pick. FIRE BRAD!

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[chrisab123]

Thread is dumpster fire

It should be renamed "Is Jaylen Brown a Top 100 player". Thats essentially what this thread has been.

[zoyathedestroya]

I personally believe Stevens and Mazzulla are fine with White/Pritchard/Banton as the point guard rotation and I'm still expecting Brogdon to be moved for a backup 2 and a backup 3/4. Either by the trade directly or the ability to use a TPE or MLE.

Edit: I also believe that after the Brogdon trade that both D White and Pritchard will be extended.

You'd have to drop about 5M in salary in a Brogdon deal to use the Grant TPE and stay under the apron..

There are Brogdon scenarios that would balance the roster, add cap flexibility and make us a little younger and healthier, that are plausible, but the market is there or it isn't. It's about timing even more than raw player value.

There's no need to stay under the apron this season. The two main things we lose is MLE use and signing buyout guys. If you can already complete your roster via TPEs and trades, tax be damned, it might be better to just go over the apron.

EDIT: They have to consider implications for succeeding seasons though.

[Shak_Celts]

Suns signing and adding every player and their fathers and we couldn't keep Grant? Don't tell me about max when Suns have about 4 max players I think, probably 2-3 around 50 mil next year and JB won't be getting that for another few and Tatum another year to that? Either way, they are spending like wildfire and we're worried about 5 extra mil this season. I have to be missing something, no?

Well you’re missing that they don’t have guys like white or rob or Horford or brogdon under reasonable contracts; it’s all stars or minimum. You’re missing that because of this roster construction they’re extremely shallow. You’re maybe missing that because of this roster construction the 2nd apron doesn’t matter as much to them as they’ve bargained away any flexibility they might have anyway.

Spending into the 2nd apron essentially locks you j to your roster. It gets extremely hard to make trades and just bring in new players. Best you can do is keep your own but the suns have 0 assets to which they can make trades anyway. The Celtics oth have a lot of ability to make roster moves over the next season and to adjust the current roster; spending into 2nd apron hampers that a lot.

And lastly they’re not signing everyone; it’s literally all minimums

Of course their signings have been minimums but isn't that still counting even if it's 2-4m? I know we have all the smaller contracts but it seems like their 4 will equal nearly the same amount of money our entire team makes for this and next season(?). Not including the jays, it feels like KD's money can pay for everyone else on our team alone... I know I'm probably exaggerating by a mile, but I know KD and maybe half of Beal could probably get close. I definitely don't know any numbers just thinking about how large max is already.

[djFan71]

What is NY doing exactly? This off season for them seems weird and I want Quickley snagged as a long term brogdon replacement.

Someone should suggest a Hart, Quickley, OG for JB and Brogdon type trade

[ajones9219]

Suns signing and adding every player and their fathers and we couldn't keep Grant? Don't tell me about max when Suns have about 4 max players I think, probably 2-3 around 50 mil next year and JB won't be getting that for another few and Tatum another year to that? Either way, they are spending like wildfire and we're worried about 5 extra mil this season. I have to be missing something, no?

Well you’re missing that they don’t have guys like white or rob or Horford or brogdon under reasonable contracts; it’s all stars or minimum. You’re missing that because of this roster construction they’re extremely shallow. You’re maybe missing that because of this roster construction the 2nd apron doesn’t matter as much to them as they’ve bargained away any flexibility they might have anyway.

Spending into the 2nd apron essentially locks you j to your roster. It gets extremely hard to make trades and just bring in new players. Best you can do is keep your own but the suns have 0 assets to which they can make trades anyway. The Celtics oth have a lot of ability to make roster moves over the next season and to adjust the current roster; spending into 2nd apron hampers that a lot.

And lastly they’re not signing everyone; it’s literally all minimums

Of course their signings have been minimums but isn't that still counting even if it's 2-4m? I know we have all the smaller contracts but it seems like their 4 will equal nearly the same amount of money our entire team makes for this and next season(?). Not including the jays, it feels like KD's money can pay for everyone else on our team alone... I know I'm probably exaggerating by a mile, but I know KD and maybe half of Beal could probably get close. I definitely don't know any numbers just thinking about how large max is already.

Their stars cost a little less than

Tatum/Brown/Zinger/White/Brogs/Al/Rob combined.

Having said that, they are above the 2nd apron so they can only sign vet mins from here on out. There is no hard cap but they are completely hamstrung to make basically any other move.

[Shak_Celts]

Well you’re missing that they don’t have guys like white or rob or Horford or brogdon under reasonable contracts; it’s all stars or minimum. You’re missing that because of this roster construction they’re extremely shallow. You’re maybe missing that because of this roster construction the 2nd apron doesn’t matter as much to them as they’ve bargained away any flexibility they might have anyway.

Spending into the 2nd apron essentially locks you j to your roster. It gets extremely hard to make trades and just bring in new players. Best you can do is keep your own but the suns have 0 assets to which they can make trades anyway. The Celtics oth have a lot of ability to make roster moves over the next season and to adjust the current roster; spending into 2nd apron hampers that a lot.

And lastly they’re not signing everyone; it’s literally all minimums

Of course their signings have been minimums but isn't that still counting even if it's 2-4m? I know we have all the smaller contracts but it seems like their 4 will equal nearly the same amount of money our entire team makes for this and next season(?). Not including the jays, it feels like KD's money can pay for everyone else on our team alone... I know I'm probably exaggerating by a mile, but I know KD and maybe half of Beal could probably get close. I definitely don't know any numbers just thinking about how large max is already.

Their stars cost a little less than

Tatum/Brown/Zinger/White/Brogs/Al/Rob combined.

Having said that, they are above the 2nd apron so they can only sign vet mins from here on out. There is no hard cap but they are completely hamstrung to make basically any other move.

Thanks for all the info guys, headspace and health is really bad, just need a distraction. Not trying to really argue but want a little chit chat. Heck I think I've seen some of this said and asked by many folk but SL is over and our moves have been quiet for a few years since Brad broke my heart.