Would you rather have Simons or Hero at shooting guard?

[whatchaknow]

It’s not about who you’d rather have we’re against acquiring herro because we already have herro in simons and that player is not all that hard to find these days. Why trade your superstar when the best part of the return is a redundant undersized score first combo guard? The team needs either a young big or young wing player to go along with picks

[DiegoChara]

Simons for me.
More upside.

Both are negative defenders, but at least Simons has tools to improve on that end with superior athleticism to Herro, and the fact that he doesn’t have T-Rex arms.

Also worth noting that defense, much more so than offense, is team and context dependent. Simons has not been put in a situation to succeed defensively. That’s not to absolve him of responsibility, he’s been bad. But if you flipped them the last several years Herro would’ve been just as bad I think, and I don’t think he has as good a chance to improve.

[Village Idiot]

Neither is my answer. Ideally we start Thybulle at SG, Grant at SF and get some switchable defenders at PF and C. Barnes and Okongwu would top my wish list of semi-available guys.

Bring Sharpe of the bench at SG. Make him earn his minutes. Happy to have one of Simons or Herro as a back-up PG/SG.

[Norm2953]

Portland would start the best player they have to compliment Scoot.

Scoot is a guy who can get to the basket at will, much like Derrick Rose, JA,
Westbrook, CP3, etc. That guy will need to make any open shots caused
dribble penetration and be a competent defender.

Unfortunately for Dame, that guy was Wesley Matthews, who was a solid defender
and could make any shots from distance. Is that guy Tyler Herro, for we don't know
since we don't see him more than twice in a season.

[PDXKnight]

Defensive rating gives herro the edge for me, that's about 11 ppg. If he's worth more assets though, and I suspect he is, I'd deal herro as partof this trade

[PDXKnight]

by the way, if Ant is on the team next season, he'll start. Either Scoot or Shape will sit, unless the Blazers get even more stupid and start Sharpe at SF

Sharpe at the 3 wouldn't be remotely surprising unfortunately

[Wizenheimer]

by the way, if Ant is on the team next season, he'll start. Either Scoot or Shape will sit, unless the Blazers get even more stupid and start Sharpe at SF

Sharpe at the 3 wouldn't be remotely surprising unfortunately

Draft Express tabulates average height by position based on combine measurements

PG - 6'1 ¼"
SG - 6'4 ¼"
SF - 6'5 ¾"
PF - 6'7 ¾"
C - 6'9 ½"

this website tracks height by position from 1952-2022:

https://www.thehoopsgeek.com/average-nba-height/

it says in 2022, average height was:

PG - 6'2.5"
SG - 6'4.5"
SF - 6'6.5"
PF - 6'8.25"
C - 6'10.25


* Scoot wasn't measured at the combine, but there was a report from the Blazers that said they measured him as 6'2 ¼. So, he may be sightly taller than the average PG, or more likely the same size as average

* Simons was measured as 6'2 ¼ in the 2018 combine, so he's 2-2.25 inches shorter than average

* Sharpe was measure as 6'4 ¼; so he's an average sized SG, but he'd be 2 inches shorter than the average sized SF

* Grant was measured as 6'6 ½" at the combine in 2014. So he'd be an average height SF; but he'd be around 1.5 inches shorter than the average height for a PF
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which would mean, if the Blazers started Scoot-Ant-Sharpe-Grant, by position the Blazer would be

PG - even
SG - minus 2-2.25 inches
SF - minus 2-2.25 inches
PF - minus 1.5 inches
C - even...maybe

when will the Blazers finally learn the lesson they have been taught over and over in the Olshey era...and the CJ/Ant/Powell era?

we just saw the Nuggets win the finals after breezing thru the playoffs, and the biggest reason, other than Jokic, was because they dominated opponents with size. at wing, they were 6'5 - 6'10 - 6'9. Portland would be 6'3 - 6'5 - 6'7, (-2/-5/-2), and that's being generous

however, all it would take is to take the massive square peg of Simons out of the Blazer starting lineup, find a real PF, and the equation dramatically changes

[HoopsFanAZ]

by the way, if Ant is on the team next season, he'll start. Either Scoot or Shape will sit, unless the Blazers get even more stupid and start Sharpe at SF

Sharpe at the 3 wouldn't be remotely surprising unfortunately

Draft Express tabulates average height by position based on combine measurements
PG - 6'1 ¼"
SG - 6'4 ¼"
SF - 6'5 ¾"
PF - 6'7 ¾"
C - 6'9 ½"
this website tracks height by position from 1952-2022:
https://www.thehoopsgeek.com/average-nba-height/
it says in 2022, average height was:
PG - 6'2.5"
SG - 6'4.5"
SF - 6'6.5"
PF - 6'8.25"
C - 6'10.25
* Scoot wasn't measured at the combine, but there was a report from the Blazers that said they measured him as 6'2 ¼. So, he may be sightly taller than the average PG, or more likely the same size as average
* Simons was measured as 6'2 ¼ in the 2018 combine, so he's 2-2.25 inches shorter than average
* Sharpe was measure as 6'4 ¼; so he's an average sized SG, but he'd be 2 inches shorter than the average sized SF
* Grant was measured as 6'6 ½" at the combine in 2014. So he'd be an average height SF; but he'd be around 1.5 inches shorter than the average height for a PF
**************************************************
which would mean, if the Blazers started Scoot-Ant-Sharpe-Grant, by position the Blazer would be
PG - even
SG - minus 2-2.25 inches
SF - minus 2-2.25 inches
PF - minus 1.5 inches
C - even...maybe
when will the Blazers finally learn the lesson they have been taught over and over in the Olshey era...and the CJ/Ant/Powell era?
we just saw the Nuggets win the finals after breezing thru the playoffs, and the biggest reason, other than Jokic, was because they dominated opponents with size. at wing, they were 6'5 - 6'10 - 6'9. Portland would be 6'3 - 6'5 - 6'7, (-2/-5/-2), and that's being generous
however, all it would take is to take the massive square peg of Simons out of the Blazer starting lineup, find a real PF, and the equation dramatically changes

Thank you, as always for providing data.

Sharpe at SG especially with good handles. We've seen him sky for defensive boards then go. More.
A small forward who is 6'7 or above with average or better wingspan, who is -- I think they're called -- 3 and (some) D.
A new, youngish, athletic rebounding, defending center.

TRADE ASSETS: Lillard, Nurkic, Simons, Little

[Goldbum]

If and only if we take Simons back then I prefer Herro for his size. I don't see that happening so I take Ant.

[Goldbum]

Jerami and a couple of those young Blazers have grown a bit. I 100% agree with your logic though. Let's say we land Simons as part of the Dame trade though. He can slot in perfectly next to Grant IF you start Ant at PG.
Now we are plus+ size at every position in the starting lineup.

Ant 6'2.5" to 6'4"+
Shaedon 6'6" +
Grant 6'8"+
Simons 6'10"+
Nurk 6'11"

Snoot/Ant/Shaedon still have about 32 minutes each in the back court. I will say that if that's Herro instead of Ant we're fine but I prefer Ant's contract/versatility. Ant can be on the court with Ben being the distributor. Jovic can play PF when Scoot's running the show. Simons can be at SF with Scoot at PG and either Ant/Sharpe at SG and even Murray at PF. Ben can occasionally slide to backup Center with Grant/Murray/Ant and Shaedon. I guess what I'm saying is there is a path forward where we are no longer under sized it just all depends on how Dame shakes out.

[DusterBuster]

Sharpe.

Simons and Herro are lesser players.

I’m sorry, but this is a silly take. They’re lesser PROSPECTS, but both are better PLAYERS until Sharpe proves otherwise - which he has yet to do.

[JRoy]

Sharpe.

Simons and Herro are lesser players.

I’m sorry, but this is a silly take. They’re lesser PROSPECTS, but both are better PLAYERS until Sharpe proves otherwise - which he has yet to do.

Neither will ever be anything special. Sharpe might be.

No reason to saddle ourselves with either.

[HoopsFanAZ]

Herro is 2 inches taller (6’4.5” vs. 6’2.25”) with t-Rex wingspan (6’3.25” vs. 6’9.25”), BUT the standing reach is 8’4.5” vs. 8’3.5” (narrower shoulders for Herro? Higher shoulders?)
Athleticism goes to Ant, of course, but Herro has enough. Ant is more versatile but Herro has better size for the 2 and gets assists and is more physical in getting his shots. Ant is more smooth.
Except for the $$$, it’s pretty close.

[DusterBuster]

Sharpe.

Simons and Herro are lesser players.

I’m sorry, but this is a silly take. They’re lesser PROSPECTS, but both are better PLAYERS until Sharpe proves otherwise - which he has yet to do.

Neither will ever be anything special. Sharpe might be.

No reason to saddle ourselves with either.

As is said… Sharpe is the better PROSPECT. Simons and Herro are currently better players.

I’m not suggesting they do saddle themselves to either… I’m simply pointing out your post of “Simons and Herro are lesser players” is factually wrong right now. He could be in time and Sharpe has a much higher ceiling, but he’s not better right now and as with everything with potential, there’s a chance he just doesn’t pan out like we hope his ceiling suggests.

[HoopsFanAZ]

I’m sorry, but this is a silly take. They’re lesser PROSPECTS, but both are better PLAYERS until Sharpe proves otherwise - which he has yet to do.

Neither will ever be anything special. Sharpe might be.
No reason to saddle ourselves with either.

As is said… Sharpe is the better PROSPECT. Simons and Herro are currently better players.

I’m not suggesting they do saddle themselves to either… I’m simply pointing out your post of “Simons and Herro are lesser players” is factually wrong right now. He could be in time and Sharpe has a much higher ceiling, but he’s not better right now and as with everything with potential, there’s a chance he just doesn’t pan out like we hope his ceiling suggests.

Both Herro and Ant have strengths as shooters BUT Sharpe is the dude (we hope) as the soon-to-be starter at SG. And $25-30 million is a lot for a 6th man at age 24 … AND yet can get 20 points with 30+ minutes. So though I voted for Ant, it’s a tougher call than I started with.

[DusterBuster]

Neither will ever be anything special. Sharpe might be.
No reason to saddle ourselves with either.

As is said… Sharpe is the better PROSPECT. Simons and Herro are currently better players.

I’m not suggesting they do saddle themselves to either… I’m simply pointing out your post of “Simons and Herro are lesser players” is factually wrong right now. He could be in time and Sharpe has a much higher ceiling, but he’s not better right now and as with everything with potential, there’s a chance he just doesn’t pan out like we hope his ceiling suggests.

Both Herro and Ant have strengths as shooters BUT Sharpe is the dude (we hope) as the soon-to-be starter at SG. And $25-30 million is a lot for a 6th man at age 24 … AND yet can get 20 points with 30+ minutes. So though I voted for Ant, it’s a tougher call than I started with.

Ok… I still don’t know what the point is you’re trying to make here. We still both agree that we believe and hope that Sharpe will be better than both, but both Ant and Herro are better players right now. Got it.

[Wizenheimer]

Jerami and a couple of those young Blazers have grown a bit. I 100% agree with your logic though. Let's say we land Simons as part of the Dame trade though. He can slot in perfectly next to Grant IF you start Ant at PG.
Now we are plus+ size at every position in the starting lineup.

Ant 6'2.5" to 6'4"+
Shaedon 6'6" +
Grant 6'8"+
Simons 6'10"+
Nurk 6'11"

Snoot/Ant/Shaedon still have about 32 minutes each in the back court. I will say that if that's Herro instead of Ant we're fine but I prefer Ant's contract/versatility. Ant can be on the court with Ben being the distributor. Jovic can play PF when Scoot's running the show. Simons can be at SF with Scoot at PG and either Ant/Sharpe at SG and even Murray at PF. Ben can occasionally slide to backup Center with Grant/Murray/Ant and Shaedon. I guess what I'm saying is there is a path forward where we are no longer under sized it just all depends on how Dame shakes out.

you confused me when you said Simons when you meant Simmons

but all I see is just another pointless accommodation for Ant. Square peg meet round hole, again and again and again. Start Ant at PG and bench Scoot. What a great idea. Ant isn't a PG; he's a tweener who plays horrible defense. I see this all just becoming CJ 2.0. All the rationalizations and weak logic for keeping CJ around, and starting of course, have now become the same rinse/repeat craziness with Simons filling the CJ role in the no-defense sequel "Blazers: Small Ball Has to Work Eventually, Right?""

[zzaj]

I keep thinking this thread is going to die, because neither Simons nor Herro is really who you want to develop as a starting SG for a rebuilding team.

Sharp is limited currently, but even in SL showed an ability to impact games in a few different ways...and when it came time to turn it on a bit, he seemed to be able to. There should be zero question about who the Blazers are grooming for the starting SG position.

[Blazers20]

I’m thinking a backcourt of Simons and Herro could produce 40 points a game and a backcourt of Scoot-Sharpe would not be able to do so out of the gate. Maybe Blazers keep both Simons and Herro and start the year as the starting backcourt. Could competition be good for all 4 backcourt players? Could this get the best out of all of them? Will Herro play even better with a chip on his shoulder?

[ebott]

I’m thinking a backcourt of Simons and Herro could produce 40 points a game and a backcourt of Scoot-Sharpe would not be able to do so out of the gate. Maybe Blazers keep both Simons and Herro and start the year as the starting backcourt. Could competition be good for all 4 backcourt players? Could this get the best out of all of them? Will Herro play even better with a chip on his shoulder?

We're not really trying to win next year, so I guess it doesn't really matter if our team is mostly guards. If the Blazers have been in talks with other teams about Simons and Herro and they believe that the two of them playing together for half a year would improve their trade value to the point where we can get a bunch of picks or young useful front court players at the trade deadline I wouldn't hate it.

The problem is more of a business one than a basketball one. Fans aren't excited about Anferno or Herro. They are excited about Scoot and Shaedon. I feel like as a business you're maybe better off clearing the deck so Scoot and Shaedon can start.