Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[Andrew McCeltic]

Brad likes dudes that are big. When he says wing I think he’s looking for 6’6”+, or at least a big/long wing. Brad doesn’t do shrimps.

Edit: Maybe the Hamidou Diallo idea isn’t dead. They’ve still got enough shooting for a wing that attacks the rim with athleticism.
Edit2;

After posting a 93rd-percentile defensive estimated plus-minus in 2021-22, soon-to-be-25-year-old Hamidou Diallo pushed his way to the 99th percentile this season.

Thanks to his 7'0" wingspan and above-the-rim athleticism, he has posted strong defensive rebound and steal rates for a 6'5" guard/wing.

Combining that with a more concerted effort to take shots around the rim (which gave Diallo by far his career-best effective field-goal percentage) makes him a more dynamic two-way threat.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081525-ranking-the-top-nba-free-agents-still-on-the-market

Diallo's a Danny/Brad Celtics type. Put guys like that in limited roles on good teams and they can thrive. What's the difference between Hamidou and Tony Allen?

[Andrew McCeltic]

Of course their signings have been minimums but isn't that still counting even if it's 2-4m? I know we have all the smaller contracts but it seems like their 4 will equal nearly the same amount of money our entire team makes for this and next season(?). Not including the jays, it feels like KD's money can pay for everyone else on our team alone... I know I'm probably exaggerating by a mile, but I know KD and maybe half of Beal could probably get close. I definitely don't know any numbers just thinking about how large max is already.

Their stars cost a little less than

Tatum/Brown/Zinger/White/Brogs/Al/Rob combined.

Having said that, they are above the 2nd apron so they can only sign vet mins from here on out. There is no hard cap but they are completely hamstrung to make basically any other move.

Thanks for all the info guys, headspace and health is really bad, just need a distraction. Not trying to really argue but want a little chit chat. Heck I think I've seen some of this said and asked by many folk but SL is over and our moves have been quiet for a few years since Brad broke my heart.

I've been through bad headspaces too, hope the basketball talk helps! I'll be on my best behavior to lighten your mod duties

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ugh sorry, again!!

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If Champagnie is still on the roster come 8/1, a chunk of his contract becomes guaranteed.

I'm assuming he'll be waived. Brad is probably just seeing if he can get something for him via trade first (with Champagnie used as filler), before waiving him. He'll probably get waived on 7/31, if Brad is unable to trade him by then..

[Shak_Celts]

Their stars cost a little less than

Tatum/Brown/Zinger/White/Brogs/Al/Rob combined.

Having said that, they are above the 2nd apron so they can only sign vet mins from here on out. There is no hard cap but they are completely hamstrung to make basically any other move.

Thanks for all the info guys, headspace and health is really bad, just need a distraction. Not trying to really argue but want a little chit chat. Heck I think I've seen some of this said and asked by many folk but SL is over and our moves have been quiet for a few years since Brad broke my heart.

I've been through bad headspaces too, hope the basketball talk helps! I'll be on my best behavior to lighten your mod duties

Spoiler:

ugh sorry, again!!

I truly appreciate that!

To be honest I have been derelict in my duties, I'm just glad they have a great collection of mods who make sure to keep everything in working order! I'm also glad that for the most part, people just want to have fun and have a few discussions/debates, most of the time there are no issues.

[Spotter]

If Champagnie is still on the roster come 8/1, a chunk of his contract becomes guaranteed.

I'm assuming he'll be waived. Brad is probably just seeing if he can get something for him via trade first (with Champagnie used as filler), before waiving him. He'll probably get waived on 7/31, if Brad is unable to trade him by then..

$50,000 is guaranteed on 8/1/23. Seems the play is what you described. Trade or waive by the end of the month.

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I wouldn't hate it if we picked up Rivers. Could be a decent guy on a minimum deal to give some wing depth, some scoring punch off the bench. A proven vet who's played in 64 playoff games and scored 457 points in the playoffs. That type of playoff experience is something we're lacking on our bench.

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In these highlights, I really like how he doesn't settle for the 3. He really looks to attack the basket and get himself a higher % shot attempt, closer to the rim. And he's able to get quality looks near the rim because he's so damn quick off the dribble.

Makes some nifty passes, too.

Some good defense here vs SGA:

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The other thing I like about Rivers is he's feisty. He's got a toughness, an edge to him. He doesn't take no sh*t from nobody. Especially with Smart and Grant gone, we could use a guy who isn't afraid to get in a dude's face and mix it up a little bit.

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[Riverwalk2021]

Pass on Rivers. This team only has room for one Scrub(b).

[robbie84]

Will San Antoinio waive Cameron Payne?
Is he a better option than Austin Rivers at this stage of their careers?

[Floody100]

I’m genuinely curious as to why some of you guys are fine giving this man the biggest contract in NBA history ?

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[darrendaye]

I’m genuinely curious as to why some of you guys are fine giving this man the biggest contract in NBA history ?

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Or him!

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Am I doing this right?

[ddb]

If Champagnie is still on the roster come 8/1, a chunk of his contract becomes guaranteed.

I'm assuming he'll be waived. Brad is probably just seeing if he can get something for him via trade first (with Champagnie used as filler), before waiving him. He'll probably get waived on 7/31, if Brad is unable to trade him by then..

He’s so bad.

[ddb]

Will San Antoinio waive Cameron Payne?
Is he a better option than Austin Rivers at this stage of their careers?

Both stink…but Cam is better at this stage in the game.

[ddb]

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I wouldn't hate it if we picked up Rivers. Could be a decent guy on a minimum deal to give some wing depth, some scoring punch off the bench. A proven vet who's played in 64 playoff games and scored 457 points in the playoffs. That type of playoff experience is something we're lacking on our bench.

Watch on YouTube

In these highlights, I really like how he doesn't settle for the 3. He really looks to attack the basket and get himself a higher % shot attempt, closer to the rim. And he's able to get quality looks near the rim because he's so damn quick off the dribble.

Makes some nifty passes, too.

Some good defense here vs SGA:

Watch on YouTube

The other thing I like about Rivers is he's feisty. He's got a toughness, an edge to him. He doesn't take no sh*t from nobody. Especially with Smart and Grant gone, we could use a guy who isn't afraid to get in a dude's face and mix it up a little bit.

Watch on YouTube

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Rivers being a feisty vet makes me feel old. Was only yesterday he was shooting around in the gym trash talking KG

[ddb]

Brad likes dudes that are big. When he says wing I think he’s looking for 6’6”+, or at least a big/long wing. Brad doesn’t do shrimps.

Edit: Maybe the Hamidou Diallo idea isn’t dead. They’ve still got enough shooting for a wing that attacks the rim with athleticism.
Edit2;

After posting a 93rd-percentile defensive estimated plus-minus in 2021-22, soon-to-be-25-year-old Hamidou Diallo pushed his way to the 99th percentile this season.

Thanks to his 7'0" wingspan and above-the-rim athleticism, he has posted strong defensive rebound and steal rates for a 6'5" guard/wing.

Combining that with a more concerted effort to take shots around the rim (which gave Diallo by far his career-best effective field-goal percentage) makes him a more dynamic two-way threat.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10081525-ranking-the-top-nba-free-agents-still-on-the-market

Yep. You’re right. And Brad is right for wanting a longer more switchable team. That’s where this league is headed. Look at teams on the rise like Orlando, Houston, Detroit, and OKC. They aren’t much to worry about quite yet, but soon they will be. Those teams are freakin long and athletic. That’s how smart teams will build from here on out. There will always be room for a small, dynamic guard, but the majority of a GOOD roster will be filled with 6’5-6’11 versatile players. Positionless basketball.

Brad is smart. He knows what he’s doing. Ainge loved the combo guards. Drove me nuts. Brad likes the combo wings. I’m more into what Brad has been doing. Also, people talk about Heat culture. Pretty soon it’ll be Celtics culture

[ddb]

What is NY doing exactly? This off season for them seems weird and I want Quickley snagged as a long term brogdon replacement.

Knicks are waiting on Embiid and/or Giannis. They are being patient for once. Smart play. They aren’t winning crap next season and they know it. But they are building it right. They have the assets to pounce on the next big thing.

[ddb]

McDermott could get cut. Speaking of medium efficiency volume scoring lol. Any interest there?

Would the Spurs cut Bullock, he could be a poor man’s Grant replacement.

Oladipo could get cut from OKC. Or speaking of injury guys maybe Gallo gets cut lol. Maybe RobCov or Gordo Hayward could get released if a trade happened.

Some good options there. But I think the only way we'd be able to sign Gallo is if he's cut, then signed with another team and then they cut him. Which is unlikely to happen. And if the team that picks him up then cuts him, it must mean that he is not looking very good..

The first 3 guys. you mentioned though (Mcdermott, Bullock and Oladipo) seen like they could be good options for us to pick up and also a somewhat realistic chance they get cut.

Also, perhaps the knicks waive Fournier if they can't find a team willing to take him in a trade..

This is looking at the past. All the guys mentioned. Dipo is damaged goods. Fournier is trash. Bullock is old and limited. McDermott I’m fine but Spurs will keep him for now.

[ddb]

Another day where we haven’t signed Corey Maggette to a super max is a good day.

I agree Corey Maggette at the super max would suck. He's also in his mid 40s. What does this have to do with Jaylen Brown? If you're comparing the two players its a pretty crappy comparison.

Jaylen is concerned with improving his game. Corey Maggette was more concerned with becoming Big Poppa Pump.

This isn’t exactly being fair to JB. He had a bad series against Miami with a busted hand. No, he’s not a super max guy, but he’s still 26, an all star, and a really, really good player. He’s far superior to prime Maggette.

[ddb]

My general thoughts on summer league, state of the current roster, and what I think is yet to come before training camp.

-adding Zinger was huge.
-Brad having the balls to move on from Smart will pay off for the Celts
-Celts got it right on 2ways from summer league
-Walsh is an absolute steal. Liked him when they drafted him, like him even more after watching him play in a Cs uniform
-Brad added picks and this is big for future dealings
-Tatum is primed to have an MVP season
-Derrick White will be first team defense in 23-24
-Dame to Boston is a big swing Brad is willing to make, but he’s better off moving in a different direction. The way the league is headed it’s going to be more valuable having JB VS Dame at this time next year
-the east is wide open. Bucks or Celts will be in the finals
-don’t be surprised when Brad makes one more fairly substantial move to the roster
-Brissett was a bargain. He will help
-coaching staff is legit now. Joe Mazz has a year under his belt, a whole offseason to prepare, and smart assistants to help.
-nobody is talking about Hauser. He showed us flashes of the weapon he can be. I think Brad, Joe and staff recognize Hauser is a big piece and can make a leap this season. I predict 9ppg on 42% from 3

[GoGreen]

My general thoughts on summer league, state of the current roster, and what I think is yet to come before training camp.

-adding Zinger was huge.
-Brad having the balls to move on from Smart will pay off for the Celts
-Celts got it right on 2ways from summer league
-Walsh is an absolute steal. Liked him when they drafted him, like him even more after watching him play in a Cs uniform
-Brad added picks and this is big for future dealings
-Tatum is primed to have an MVP season
-Derrick White will be first team defense in 23-24
-Dame to Boston is a big swing Brad is willing to make, but he’s better off moving in a different direction. The way the league is headed it’s going to be more valuable having JB VS Dame at this time next year
-the east is wide open. Bucks or Celts will be in the finals
-don’t be surprised when Brad makes one more fairly substantial move to the roster
-Brissett was a bargain. He will help
-coaching staff is legit now. Joe Mazz has a year under his belt, a whole offseason to prepare, and smart assistants to help.
-nobody is talking about Hauser. He showed us flashes of the weapon he can be. I think Brad, Joe and staff recognize Hauser is a big piece and can make a leap this season. I predict 9ppg on 42% from 3

I agree with much of this. Only concerned about Joe since I really was not a fan of his at all last year.

I think D White 1st team all defense might be tough as well. If he's taking full time PG duties that will be a lot on his plate, but he will have a good year I think.

To some of your other points: LOVE Walsh; this kid is ready for real NBA action. He's going to become a fan favorite real fast. Also believe on Hauser and hope to see him improve. And I really hope Brad isn't done; don't love this roster as is.

[steefP2]

As the offseason goes on and Dame still isn't traded, I'm beginning to think it would be easier to just build a contender in Portland than trade him for pieces to start your rebuild.

Just trade for OG, Siakam, Gafford, and Wright even if you lose your future. I don't think you'd even need to lose all your future 1sts. If Masai is being a dick, look elsewhere -- KAT, Embiid (if Harden gets traded), Markkanen, both Bogdanovices, Capela/Hunter, etc. Just need to let go of your young guys.

I mean they tried offering Simons and the nr 3 pick for bridges and got rebuffed. Building a contender in Portland is a fools errand at this point.

Is that true? That they offered 3 + Simons for Bridges? If rejected, offer the package elsewhere. Based on Blazers fans comments, it's as if their GM didn't even try hard enough. From several NBA podcast people, what I heard was once the pick got up to #3 and they had a chance at Scoot, they changed course and chose to keep the pick instead. That's what pushed Dame to finally ask out.

That’s true; they offered 3 and Simons around but didn’t feel they got good value for it anywhere. So they decided to keep. But the reports do say they tried to get bridges at the very least.