Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[steefP2]

I personally believe Stevens and Mazzulla are fine with White/Pritchard/Banton as the point guard rotation and I'm still expecting Brogdon to be moved for a backup 2 and a backup 3/4. Either by the trade directly or the ability to use a TPE or MLE.

Edit: I also believe that after the Brogdon trade that both D White and Pritchard will be extended.

You'd have to drop about 5M in salary in a Brogdon deal to use the Grant TPE and stay under the apron..

There are Brogdon scenarios that would balance the roster, add cap flexibility and make us a little younger and healthier, that are plausible, but the market is there or it isn't. It's about timing even more than raw player value.

There's no need to stay under the apron this season. The two main things we lose is MLE use and signing buyout guys. If you can already complete your roster via TPEs and trades, tax be damned, it might be better to just go over the apron.

EDIT: They have to consider implications for succeeding seasons though.

There are other reasons though; mainly if you want to execute a trade you don’t want to be in the second apron; cause you can’t aggregate salary, can’t take in more money than you send out in a trade and can’t send out cash with a trade.

If we want to have the option to trade Pritchard, brogdon or Jaylen it would really really limit the options if we were to cross the second apron. Was similar with grant; if we keep him to trade him but because of second apron restrictions; we can’t get anything good for him without taking back bad salary it’s a bit of an issue. Cause the 110% matching rule still is in effect but you also can’t take back more salary than you send out so it’s just super restrictive. And ofc as you said you don’t wanna start the repeater clock on it early.

[Floody100]

I’m genuinely curious as to why some of you guys are fine giving this man the biggest contract in NBA history ?

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Am I doing this right?

Player A: 3 turnovers in the space of minute & a half that were purely due to the player being in two minds.

Player B: consistent turnovers over a whole post season (& most of his career) that were purely due to him struggling to be able to do the simple task of dribbling a basketball because he either just dribbled it straight into his foot or completely lost his handle with no one putting pressure on him. There’s also an abundance of times he carelessly dribbled straight into 2 or 3 defenders only to turn it over.

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[Dogen]

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I wouldn't hate it if we picked up Rivers. Could be a decent guy on a minimum deal to give some wing depth, some scoring punch off the bench. A proven vet who's played in 64 playoff games and scored 457 points in the playoffs. That type of playoff experience is something we're lacking on our bench.

In these highlights, I really like how he doesn't settle for the 3. He really looks to attack the basket and get himself a higher % shot attempt, closer to the rim. And he's able to get quality looks near the rim because he's so damn quick off the dribble.

Makes some nifty passes, too.

The other thing I like about Rivers is he's feisty. He's got a toughness, an edge to him. He doesn't take no sh*t from nobody. Especially with Smart and Grant gone, we could use a guy who isn't afraid to get in a dude's face and mix it up a little bit.

Rivers being a feisty vet makes me feel old. Was only yesterday he was shooting around in the gym trash talking KG

I wouldn't mind Rivers at the minimum. Yeah, I can't believe he's already 31. Where does the time go?

Anywayz, he sort of is what he is at this point. Got some size, seasoned vet, a little bit of 'tude. Hits the 3 ball. He could have that elder role like Al and Blake have done, but can get minutes on the floor there seems to be game left in him. In fact I think he'd really embrace it here and play his ass off to contribute. Great story for him and pops if he gets a ring in Boston.

[zoyathedestroya]

You'd have to drop about 5M in salary in a Brogdon deal to use the Grant TPE and stay under the apron..

There are Brogdon scenarios that would balance the roster, add cap flexibility and make us a little younger and healthier, that are plausible, but the market is there or it isn't. It's about timing even more than raw player value.

There's no need to stay under the apron this season. The two main things we lose is MLE use and signing buyout guys. If you can already complete your roster via TPEs and trades, tax be damned, it might be better to just go over the apron.

EDIT: They have to consider implications for succeeding seasons though.

There are other reasons though; mainly if you want to execute a trade you don’t want to be in the second apron; cause you can’t aggregate salary, can’t take in more money than you send out in a trade and can’t send out cash with a trade.

If we want to have the option to trade Pritchard, brogdon or Jaylen it would really really limit the options if we were to cross the second apron. Was similar with grant; if we keep him to trade him but because of second apron restrictions; we can’t get anything good for him without taking back bad salary it’s a bit of an issue. Cause the 110% matching rule still is in effect but you also can’t take back more salary than you send out so it’s just super restrictive. And ofc as you said you don’t wanna start the repeater clock on it early.

Are all those restrictions being enforced this season? I thought most of the restrictions will take effect next offseason.

[steefP2]

There's no need to stay under the apron this season. The two main things we lose is MLE use and signing buyout guys. If you can already complete your roster via TPEs and trades, tax be damned, it might be better to just go over the apron.

EDIT: They have to consider implications for succeeding seasons though.

There are other reasons though; mainly if you want to execute a trade you don’t want to be in the second apron; cause you can’t aggregate salary, can’t take in more money than you send out in a trade and can’t send out cash with a trade.

If we want to have the option to trade Pritchard, brogdon or Jaylen it would really really limit the options if we were to cross the second apron. Was similar with grant; if we keep him to trade him but because of second apron restrictions; we can’t get anything good for him without taking back bad salary it’s a bit of an issue. Cause the 110% matching rule still is in effect but you also can’t take back more salary than you send out so it’s just super restrictive. And ofc as you said you don’t wanna start the repeater clock on it early.

Are all those restrictions being enforced this season? I thought most of the restrictions will take effect next offseason.

Yeah you’re right; my bad. Scratch all that. The 110% rule goes to 100% for both apron levels next season anyway.

[Green89]

Rivers is only in if either Brogdon or Pritchard are out.

[Triple7]

I’m genuinely curious as to why some of you guys are fine giving this man the biggest contract in NBA history ?

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These fools really gonna pay me 304M haha.
Don’t worry i won’t dribble left again ever. Lol

[batabatuta]

What JBs doin is trolling FO for the trade rumors he had to endure every year. Fair enough but id ship his ass the first chance Id get. You do not delay negotiations for possibly the biggest contract in NBA history and leave Brad high and dry with the options getting little by the day.

[steefP2]

What JBs doin is trolling FO for the trade rumors he had to endure every year. Fair enough but id ship his ass the first chance Id get. You do not delay negotiations for possibly the biggest contract in NBA history and leave Brad high and dry with the options getting little by the day.

What options are being limited by the deal not being done ?

[zoyathedestroya]

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[Celts17Pride]

What JBs doin is trolling FO for the trade rumors he had to endure every year. Fair enough but id ship his ass the first chance Id get. You do not delay negotiations for possibly the biggest contract in NBA history and leave Brad high and dry with the options getting little by the day.

What options are being limited by the deal not being done ?

Again, don't let facts get in the way of a good story. Lots of great storytellers in this forum.

[165bows]

McDermott could get cut. Speaking of medium efficiency volume scoring lol. Any interest there?

Would the Spurs cut Bullock, he could be a poor man’s Grant replacement.

Oladipo could get cut from OKC. Or speaking of injury guys maybe Gallo gets cut lol. Maybe RobCov or Gordo Hayward could get released if a trade happened.

Some good options there. But I think the only way we'd be able to sign Gallo is if he's cut, then signed with another team and then they cut him. Which is unlikely to happen. And if the team that picks him up then cuts him, it must mean that he is not looking very good..

The first 3 guys. you mentioned though (Mcdermott, Bullock and Oladipo) seen like they could be good options for us to pick up and also a somewhat realistic chance they get cut.

Also, perhaps the knicks waive Fournier if they can't find a team willing to take him in a trade..

This is looking at the past. All the guys mentioned. Dipo is damaged goods. Fournier is trash. Bullock is old and limited. McDermott I’m fine but Spurs will keep him for now.

Tbf we were literally looking at who might get cut loose and be available to play 600 decent deep bench minutes for the minimum salary. Enjoyed the summary above though, plenty of good points imo.

[Curmudgeon]

What JBs doin is trolling FO for the trade rumors he had to endure every year. Fair enough but id ship his ass the first chance Id get. You do not delay negotiations for possibly the biggest contract in NBA history and leave Brad high and dry with the options getting little by the day.

What options are being limited by the deal not being done ?

Again, don't let facts get in the way of a good story. Lots of great storytellers in this forum.

No, just people who know a championship caliber player when they see one. If your goal is championships and the player isn't good enough, you move him. Now if the player is 22 years old you might wait to see if he improves. But if he's been in the league 7 years and has been the same player every year, you know what you are getting.

The question is whether or not you move him at a discount now, or try to trade him a year or two from now when he has a quarter of a billion dollars left on his contract. If you wait, you've wasted another year with no championship. If you sign him, you hope that in a year or two you can sign and trade him and his exhorbitant contract for a player who is championship caliber and who (unlike Lillard) doesn't mind being in Boston, e.g. Doncic. But there are no guarantees, and you might get stuck with him long term-- or even worse, he may demand a trade and then you are back to trying to move him at a discount. Plus at that point you are over the 2nd apron and have no other options to improve the team.

[steefP2]

What options are being limited by the deal not being done ?

Again, don't let facts get in the way of a good story. Lots of great storytellers in this forum.

No, just people who know a championship caliber player when they see one. If your goal is championships and the player isn't good enough, you move him. Now if the player is 22 years old you might wait to see if he improves. But if he's been in the league 7 years and has been the same player every year, you know what you are getting.

The question is whether or not you move him at a discount now, or try to trade him a year or two from now when he has a quarter of a billion dollars left on his contract. If you wait, you've wasted another year with no championship. If you sign him, you hope that in a year or two you can sign and trade him and his exhorbitant contract for a player who is championship caliber and who (unlike Lillard) doesn't mind being in Boston, e.g. Doncic. But there are no guarantees, and you might get stuck with him long term-- or even worse, he may demand a trade and then you are back to trying to move him at a discount. Plus at that point you are over the 2nd apron and have no other options to improve the team.

Cool story but that has nothing to do with any of the previous comments. It was about what moves are being prevented by Jaylen not having signed tje deal. If anything the original poster was complaining about Jaylen not having signed, you should be ecstatic about that since it means he’s still tradeable

[watsonthedragon]

Done with JB for Dame, onto JB for Embiid!

But seriously, JT and Joel would be ridiculous.

[robbie84]

Another day where we haven’t signed Corey Maggette to a super max is a good day.

I agree Corey Maggette at the super max would suck. He's also in his mid 40s. What does this have to do with Jaylen Brown? If you're comparing the two players its a pretty crappy comparison.

Jaylen is concerned with improving his game. Corey Maggette was more concerned with becoming Big Poppa Pump.

This isn’t exactly being fair to JB. He had a bad series against Miami with a busted hand. No, he’s not a super max guy, but he’s still 26, an all star, and a really, really good player. He’s far superior to prime Maggette.

He's 100% a supermax player in todays NBA. There are 2 slots on every team right?
30 teams. 60 players who can get a supermax in the NBA. He's 100% one of those 60 guys.

[Curmudgeon]

Yes, I am happy that he is still tradeable. And my view is that even if you extend Brown and then attempt to trade him in a year or two, he'll be harder to move for value than he is today. Meanwhile, Celtics fans will be like the kid pressing his nose up against the pet store window. Close, but no puppy.

[BK_2020]

I agree Corey Maggette at the super max would suck. He's also in his mid 40s. What does this have to do with Jaylen Brown? If you're comparing the two players its a pretty crappy comparison.

Jaylen is concerned with improving his game. Corey Maggette was more concerned with becoming Big Poppa Pump.

This isn’t exactly being fair to JB. He had a bad series against Miami with a busted hand. No, he’s not a super max guy, but he’s still 26, an all star, and a really, really good player. He’s far superior to prime Maggette.

He's 100% a supermax player in todays NBA. There are 2 slots on every team right?
30 teams. 60 players who can get a supermax in the NBA. He's 100% one of those 60 guys.

That's a very generous way to define "supermax player." In reality, extremely few players get the 35% max. The list of players who's signed a supermax is full of guys whose accomplishments dwarf that of Jaylen Brown in his 7 years in the league (2 AS games and 1 All-NBA). Since 2017, you have
Embiid
Giannis
Steph
Jokic
Harden
Booker
Westbrook
Wall
Dame
KAT
Gobert (31% max)

There are a couple players who signed 35% max (KD, Beal, Lebron) but they were 10 year vet contracts, not DVE contracts.

So no, being one of top 60 players doesn't make you a "Supermax Player" except in the most twisted and meaningless definition of the term. In actual reality, which is the one where the Celtics are making their decisions, the supermax extension/contract has been given to 11 players in 6 years, 8 of whom are certain to make the Hall of Fame. The worst among the 11 is probably KAT, who at the time of the Designated Veteran Player Extension had 3 AS games and 2 All-NBA to his credit, so about double the accolades of Jaylen Brown.

[Hal14]

Rivers is only in if either Brogdon or Pritchard are out.

Why do you say that? He's a wing. Not a PG..

Rivers and Terence Davis - I would call both of them wings. They're on the smaller side when it comes to wings. But I certainly wouldn't put either of them in the "only makes sense to sign them if we trade Brogdon/Pritchard" category.

[BK_2020]

Rivers is only in if either Brogdon or Pritchard are out.

Why do you say that? He's a wing. Not a PG..

Pritchard isn't a PG either.