Sixers Offseason Thread Part 4

[Embiid P]

Because someone would value him. I don't think he's a negative value trade piece. And I don't think the highest bidder for Tobias Harris would give more than the highest bidder for LaVine.

You also have to take into consideration Chicago's situation. With their current roster, they are pretty much a treadmill team like we are. LaVine's albatross limits their ability to improve. With Derozan expiring and acquiring another expiring in Harden or Harris, they should have enough money for 1 or 2 max free agents or 3-4 high end role players in the summer of 2024. Plus as a larger market, I'd put them a tier above Philly on a list of attractive free agent destinations.

Understand please that I mean no personal offense by the following. But this just isn't how any GM/ management folks regard their teams and their assets. You're suggesting that a .500-type of team should and actually would trade multiple draft picks just to get rid of the guy who's arguably their best player, and entering his prime. LaVine's contract might not be the best in the league but it's sure not the worst and in the next 2-3 years it's going to look less and less bad as max players continue to get more than he does.

And if the Sixers aren't likely to attract 1, let alone 2, worthwhile max FAs next year, why should the Bulls think that that route will work for them? As ExplosionsInDaSky pointed out, LaVine is better than most or all of the 2024 FAs who will likely be serious about changing teams.

Zach LaVine is an all-star in his prime and whether or not you think he's on a good contract, players like him don't get salary-dumped along with draft picks as sweetener.

Again, I don't mean any personal disrespect. Just pointing out how the league works.

I see what you're saying but from a Sixers perspective trading for LaVine means that we'd likely be stuck with a core of Embiid, Maxey and LaVine for the next 2-3 seasons at least. I'm not a huge fan of devoting most of our payroll to just 3 players. The only way to really work around that is to have a bunch of young players on rookie/cheap contracts that can contribute which unfortunately we don't have due to the gross incompetence of our front office and its addiction to star hunting.

[youngcrev]

You also have to take into consideration Chicago's situation. With their current roster, they are pretty much a treadmill team like we are. LaVine's albatross limits their ability to improve. With Derozan expiring and acquiring another expiring in Harden or Harris, they should have enough money for 1 or 2 max free agents or 3-4 high end role players in the summer of 2024. Plus as a larger market, I'd put them a tier above Philly on a list of attractive free agent destinations.

Harden is one thing, since he'd legitimately make them a better team, Harris is another. Harris and Harden don't have the same trade value in spite of both being large expiring contracts.

Also.. you consider us a treadmill team? I can see the Bulls. And I guess in a sense that it has always ended the same way for us. But I think of a treadmill team as too good to miss the playoffs (ruining their draft pick), but not good enough to actually have a chance. You know, like most of 2004-2013.

The Sixers as currently constructed have a zero percent chance to win a title.

As in, with a Harden that's going full Rick Ross mode?

They've been one of the better teams in the league over the last handful of years. They've clearly had a chance to various degrees over that span of time.

[M2J]

I don't even have the energy to take a deep jump into the debate/fact that Klay>>Tobias.

I mean Holy Ayahuasca.

Is anyone running around saying Game 6 Tobi? Even if there is a half baked debate regarding skillsets on both ends, and I can't get there. Klay could've put up better numbers as a primary perimeter option, and has proven himself someone that can take over and win playoff games and big series... Unlike anyone on the Sixers

[mjkvol]

we are a level above treadmill but below "real" contenders if that make sense lol.

we can get lucky for once via injury or shooting variance and parlay that into a finals berth. Treadmill teams are just happy to maybe push a first round matchup to 7.

We've won 50+ games often in this era. The Iggy era we capped out at 42 it felt like.
So its not all bad...however if not for past mistakes we should be in true contender status instead of being worried for the fall off. That being said i don't think there is ever more than 2-3 "true" contenders each year... being in the final four of your conference means you are a couple of bounces away generally and as the league seems to be desperate to make sure the KD warriors will never happen again...thats about where you want to be.

our issue is that we lack the resources to make a move if needed which makes it doubly important our best player isn't a sadboi with glass bones lol.

Yeah, I agree - we are what might be referred to as an 'elite treadmill' team. Good enough to get on the doorstep of the conference final but falling short due to bad luck or more often bad play and awful coaching in the biggest spots.

We are always a player or two short at key positions that determine playoff games and depend far too much on players who have never shown the ability to raise their games in the big moments. Hideous management has constantly left us with little real depth, which shows out in playoff series when big contributions from bench players often turn games.

Yes, we are a 50+ win and 'final 8' team almost routinely, which many fans around the league would sign for in a second, but we never take that step up to 'final 4' status due to the continued roster mismanagement and horrible coaching hires. Probably why I'd love to take a step back in 2023, clear the deck and reassess things with a legit coach finally here before jumping back into the fray next summer.

I don't believe Morey will go in that direction, and maybe the results would be more of the same, but it beats banging your head on the wall over and over.

[eyeatoma]

Need to trade Harden now, or something big needs to happen. Jo is gone by the trade deadline or this off-season.

Read on Twitter

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For people who can't read the tweet:

Joel Embiid - “I just want to win a championship. Whatever it takes. I don’t know where that’s gonna be. Whether it’s in Philly or anywhere else. I just want to have a chance.”

[76ciology]

Good news! We’re a step closer in landing Cooper Flagg

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I dont want a franchise player who goes tantrums on his own failure. Man up big guy

[mksp]

Joel changing his tune, good, trade him now.

[Jailblazers7]

Good luck to him winning a championship elsewhere while he underperforms in the playoffs in every statistical category.

[eyeatoma]

Good luck to him winning a championship elsewhere while he underperforms in the playoffs in every statistical category.

Hard to do that when you're always injured and constantly triple teamed. Not his fault that we have Tobias, PJ and Harden who often hesitate to hit catch and shoot 3s.

[NYSixersFan]

Good for Embiid. It's about time he put some pressure on this stupid organization.

[the_process]

Good luck to him winning a championship elsewhere while he underperforms in the playoffs in every statistical category.

Hard to do that when you're always injured and constantly triple teamed. Not his fault that we have Tobias, PJ and Harden who often hesitate to hit catch and shoot 3s.

But according to what I read here, Tobias is a winning player who should be valued above Klay Thompson

Please just blow this thing up. Embiid is getting closer to asking out and he's a choker anyway.

Fire Morey and Brand and start over. There's no damn point to this anymore.

[the_process]

Need to trade Harden now, or something big needs to happen. Jo is gone by the trade deadline or this off-season.

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Morey is obviously doing a piss poor of getting Jo on board with his vision.

Could that be because he has no vision?

[Mik317]

the conclusions fans jump to lol

[the_process]

we are a level above treadmill but below "real" contenders if that make sense lol.

we can get lucky for once via injury or shooting variance and parlay that into a finals berth. Treadmill teams are just happy to maybe push a first round matchup to 7.

We've won 50+ games often in this era. The Iggy era we capped out at 42 it felt like.
So its not all bad...however if not for past mistakes we should be in true contender status instead of being worried for the fall off. That being said i don't think there is ever more than 2-3 "true" contenders each year... being in the final four of your conference means you are a couple of bounces away generally and as the league seems to be desperate to make sure the KD warriors will never happen again...thats about where you want to be.

our issue is that we lack the resources to make a move if needed which makes it doubly important our best player isn't a sadboi with glass bones lol.

Yeah, I agree - we are what might be referred to as an 'elite treadmill' team. Good enough to get on the doorstep of the conference final but falling short due to bad luck or more often bad play and awful coaching in the biggest spots.

We are always a player or two short at key positions that determine playoff games and depend far too much on players who have never shown the ability to raise their games in the big moments. Hideous management has constantly left us with little real depth, which shows out in playoff series when big contributions from bench players often turn games.

Yes, we are a 50+ win and 'final 8' team almost routinely, which many fans around the league would sign for in a second, but we never take that step up to 'final 4' status due to the continued roster mismanagement and horrible coaching hires. Probably why I'd love to take a step back in 2023, clear the deck and reassess things with a legit coach finally here before jumping back into the fray next summer.

I don't believe Morey will go in that direction, and maybe the results would be more of the same, but it beats banging your head on the wall over and over.

Embiid clearly does not want to do this.

[Lou_23]

Need to trade Harden now, or something big needs to happen. Jo is gone by the trade deadline or this off-season.

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Nah, Morey will ask for the moon for him. A Embiid trade would take years.

Relax guys

[eyeatoma]

Need to trade Harden now, or something big needs to happen. Jo is gone by the trade deadline or this off-season.

Read on Twitter

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Nah, Morey will ask for the moon for him. A Embiid trade would take years.

Relax guys

LMAO this is true, that being said, Jo is healthy, shouldn't be hard to get a kings ransom. Some team will give a Gobert level package.

[eyeatoma]

the conclusions fans jump to lol

Aight, captain positive (lol), how do you interpret that quote? A nothing burger?

Jo is very adept with the media, he knows exactly what he's saying.

[Negrodamus]

Imagine being the Pistons, Orlando, Spurs (prior to luckily landing Wemby). Floating through irrelevance without a superstar for 5+ years; waiting to care about a contending team but getting disappointed time and time again.

Yea, let’s trade the MVP and start this dumpster fire over.

[eyeatoma]

Imagine being the Pistons, Orlando, Spurs (prior to luckily landing Wemby). Floating through irrelevance without a superstar for 5+ years; waiting to care about a contending team but getting disappointed time and time again.

Yea, let’s trade the MVP and start this dumpster fire over.

I'm not saying we have to trade him, I'm saying he's gonna ask out, because we have fumbled the bag to epic proportions.

[Mik317]

the conclusions fans jump to lol

Aight, captain positive (lol), how do you interpret that quote? A nothing burger?

Jo is very adept with the media, he knows exactly what he's saying.

Nothing he hasn't said before lol.

Had a very similar quote to Marcus Spears around april.

Also Jo is 30 and a 7fter...those guys don't last until they are 40 like Bron lol. And if/when we flame out this year or next...then it will probably be time for him to move on anyway.

Stars don't stay on one team if they don't win there. Dirk was the last one and if they didn't win it all in 13...he probably would have left too. Hell Kobe is seen as the biggest alpha dawg lord around and he also asked for a trade at one point.

I could be wrong (won't be the first time) but I just see this as Jo seeing the end of the tunnel for the first time and attempting to use it to let the FO know that it looming. Biid for all of his flaws is very aware of how things work...its cool to play for one team all your career...its not likely. And until he asks out...I'm not going to freak out and even then I probably won't. This era is reaching its end... I thought people already knew that?