Trade Talk (Part Thirteen): 2023 Offseason Edition

[BlacJacMac]

Using the same "we must trade KAT logic", Lakers got a big problem with Davis. He plays the same position as LBJ and the two haven't work since the bubble championship. Let's swap Towns for Davis + picks. That is at least better than Harris.

The only picks they can offer are 2026 and 2028 swaps and their 2029 1st...

[shangrila]

Using the same "we must trade KAT logic", Lakers got a big problem with Davis. He plays the same position as LBJ and the two haven't work since the bubble championship. Let's swap Towns for Davis + picks. That is at least better than Harris.

It's this kind of disingenuous BS that brings down the whole discussion

[TimberKat]

Using the same "we must trade KAT logic", Lakers got a big problem with Davis. He plays the same position as LBJ and the two haven't work since the bubble championship. Let's swap Towns for Davis + picks. That is at least better than Harris.

It's this kind of disingenuous BS that brings down the whole discussion

Is it really? I suggested a Davis for Towns swap last year. You don't have to like it but LA is getting a center and we get a all star pwf. How is it any worse than some of the other 3 role players + 3 future pick trade? I don't value a 2025 1st pick as much as you do unless I know it is top 3. We send Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 future 1st and basically got nothing in return.

[shangrila]

Using the same "we must trade KAT logic", Lakers got a big problem with Davis. He plays the same position as LBJ and the two haven't work since the bubble championship. Let's swap Towns for Davis + picks. That is at least better than Harris.

It's this kind of disingenuous BS that brings down the whole discussion

Is it really? I suggested a Davis for Towns swap last year. You don't have to like it but LA is getting a center and we get a all star pwf. How is it any worse than some of the other 3 role players + 3 future pick trade? I don't value a 2025 1st pick as much as you do unless I know it is top 3. We send Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 future 1st and basically got nothing in return.

See the bold? That's the problem.

You've made it clear you disagree with that stance, which is fine. Using it to propose some other absurd trade is the issue.

[TimberKat]

Suns wants to move Cam Payne, what about trade Moore, JMcl, Minott(salary match) for him? I am thinking Cam is a more reliable backup PG.

[TimberKat]

It's this kind of disingenuous BS that brings down the whole discussion

Is it really? I suggested a Davis for Towns swap last year. You don't have to like it but LA is getting a center and we get a all star pwf. How is it any worse than some of the other 3 role players + 3 future pick trade? I don't value a 2025 1st pick as much as you do unless I know it is top 3. We send Al Jefferson to Jazz for 2 future 1st and basically got nothing in return.

See the bold? That's the problem.

You've made it clear you disagree with that stance, which is fine. Using it to propose some other absurd trade is the issue.

I don't get your point. I don't want to trade Towns for backups and picks. If we end up trading him, let's trade him for an accomplished player that we could win now. What's the absurd part?

[minimus]

Suns wants to move Cam Payne, what about trade Moore, JMcl, Minott(salary match) for him? I am thinking Cam is a more reliable backup PG.

He is awful.

[Klomp]

Suns wants to move Cam Payne, what about trade Moore, JMcl, Minott(salary match) for him? I am thinking Cam is a more reliable backup PG.

Suns want a PG upgrade. We don't have that.

[TimberKat]

Suns wants to move Cam Payne, what about trade Moore, JMcl, Minott(salary match) for him? I am thinking Cam is a more reliable backup PG.

Suns want a PG upgrade. We don't have that.

Yes, will have to be a 3 team trade where TJMac going to Suns. We could just trade for TJMac too but he is more expensive

[TimberKat]

Suns wants to move Cam Payne, what about trade Moore, JMcl, Minott(salary match) for him? I am thinking Cam is a more reliable backup PG.

Suns want a PG upgrade. We don't have that.

Looks like Suns just gave him away. If we want, we could get him from SAS with salary match and a second.

[minimus]

Suns wants to move Cam Payne, what about trade Moore, JMcl, Minott(salary match) for him? I am thinking Cam is a more reliable backup PG.

Suns want a PG upgrade. We don't have that.

Looks like Suns just gave him away. If we want, we could get him from SAS with salary match and a second.

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Welcome to the real world, where luxury tax exists

[Wolveswin]

Towns, McLauglin, Moore for Cason Wallace (4.5mil), Oladipo (9.5mil), Mills (7mil), Bertans (17mil), 5 FRPs?

Cason Wallace looks like a real thing.

I love me some Wallace. I think he is perfect for next to Edwards. I would do any trade value stacked around him for Towns.

[frankenwolf]

Suns wants to move Cam Payne, what about trade Moore, JMcl, Minott(salary match) for him? I am thinking Cam is a more reliable backup PG.

Suns want a PG upgrade. We don't have that.

Klomp, this did not age well

[TimberKat]

Towns, McLauglin, Moore for Cason Wallace (4.5mil), Oladipo (9.5mil), Mills (7mil), Bertans (17mil), 5 FRPs?

Cason Wallace looks like a real thing.

I love me some Wallace. I think he is perfect for next to Edwards. I would do any trade value stacked around him for Towns.

I say he avg 5 min per game time in 2023 and 10 min in 2024. Look forward to 2025 season, he maybe a good backup option by then.

[TimberKat]

Suns want a PG upgrade. We don't have that.

Looks like Suns just gave him away. If we want, we could get him from SAS with salary match and a second.

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Welcome to the real world, where luxury tax exists

Yes, Suns have 2 supermax and 2 max this season. 3 supermax and 1 max next season. Will see if they can win with that formula. How bad is 51m tax for billionaires who are willing to pay? They make it back when sell the team. I won't spend my personal money on it.

[thinktank]

"I won't spend my personal money on it."

NEWSFLASH

[TimberKat]

"I won't spend my personal money on it."

NEWSFLASH

Exactly, we aren't asking the right questions with salary caps. Before we keep coming up with salary dump trades for Towns, someone should ask ownership/GM what is the team's operational budget? There is a lot of factors going into it but you can't think of it as your personal money. Otherwise, it's like we assume Suns will trade Booker because they can't have 3 Supermax + 1 max. They got to do it now to be proactive. If ownership can operate above 2nd apron, why force ourselves to be below it? That is why these Towns trade feels like Towns bashing because we are not asking the right questions.

[minimus]

"I won't spend my personal money on it."

NEWSFLASH

Exactly, we aren't asking the right questions with salary caps. Before we keep coming up with salary dump trades for Towns, someone should ask ownership/GM what is the team's operational budget? There is a lot of factors going into it but you can't think of it as your personal money. Otherwise, it's like we assume Suns will trade Booker because they can't have 3 Supermax + 1 max. They got to do it now to be proactive. If ownership can operate above 2nd apron, why force ourselves to be below it? That is why these Towns trade feels like Towns bashing because we are not asking the right questions.

I am not sure if you are trolling

1) they are in win now mode because the championship window is closing
KD is soon 35yo
Beal is 30yo
Booker is 26yo

While MIN window as contender has not really opened

Edwards 21yo
MCD 22yo
Towns 27yo
Gobert 30yo

PHO went to Finals with Booker and CP3, now they invested everything in KD and Beal. Meanwhile MIN after first round exit traded for Gobert, having in mind OLD CBA. Last season was a failure. Right now Towns trade is one of options to extend consequtive playoff runs

2) PHO is set to have the biggest payroll in 2024-25. They literally have only guys on min deals, outside of max contracts Payne was the only one who earns more than min and he got traded. It works only when ring chasers want to join a contender

3) it is not proven that PHO model can survive whole season and playoffs. To me it is a risky management

[frankenwolf]

"I won't spend my personal money on it."

NEWSFLASH

Exactly, we aren't asking the right questions with salary caps. Before we keep coming up with salary dump trades for Towns, someone should ask ownership/GM what is the team's operational budget? There is a lot of factors going into it but you can't think of it as your personal money. Otherwise, it's like we assume Suns will trade Booker because they can't have 3 Supermax + 1 max. They got to do it now to be proactive. If ownership can operate above 2nd apron, why force ourselves to be below it? That is why these Towns trade feels like Towns bashing because we are not asking the right questions.

I am not sure if you are trolling

1) they are in win now mode because the championship window is closing
KD is soon 35yo
Beal is 30yo
Booker is 26yo

While MIN window as contender has not really opened

Edwards 21yo
MCD 22yo
Towns 27yo
Gobert 30yo

PHO went to Finals with Booker and CP3, now they invested everything in KD and Beal. Meanwhile MIN after first round exit traded for Gobert, having in mind OLD CBA. Last season was a failure. Right now Towns trade is one of options to extend consequtive playoff runs

2) PHO is set to have the biggest payroll in 2024-25. They literally have only guys on min deals, outside of max contracts Payne was the only one who earns more than min and he got traded. It works only when ring chasers want to join a contender

3) it is not proven that PHO model can survive whole season and playoffs. To me it is a risky management

Minimus, The Timberwolves reached the playoffs for a SECOND year in a row. Not a failure. KAT only played 20+ games, so the dynamic of Gobert/Towns never gelled. When they make the playoffs this year, that would be a consecutive playoff run, would it not? With Ant's and McDaniels continued development, the gelling of the starting five and everyone knowing what their roll is (remember how PatBev stated that that was when the team came together, after they had designated rolls?), this team will be NBA Champions.

[thinktank]

"I won't spend my personal money on it."

NEWSFLASH

Exactly, we aren't asking the right questions with salary caps. Before we keep coming up with salary dump trades for Towns, someone should ask ownership/GM what is the team's operational budget? There is a lot of factors going into it but you can't think of it as your personal money. Otherwise, it's like we assume Suns will trade Booker because they can't have 3 Supermax + 1 max. They got to do it now to be proactive. If ownership can operate above 2nd apron, why force ourselves to be below it? That is why these Towns trade feels like Towns bashing because we are not asking the right questions.

I’m critiquing your (and anyone else’s) point that you won’t personally pay these bills. Thank you, Captain Obvious. That’s not logical. It’s moot. I’ll always find that “point” humorous.