Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

Post #1121 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:30 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:

Read on Twitter

I can’t listen to sound at work. But if this is true. Holy crap lol.

I would be losing my mind if JT said this. He might actually get dealt this season.

Hal14 · Post #1122 » by **Hal14** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:32 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Green89 wrote:Rivers is only in if either Brogdon or Pritchard are out.

Why do you say that? He's a wing. Not a PG..

Pritchard isn't a PG either.

I didn't say he was. But I wouldn't call Pritchard a wing, nor would I call Brogdon a wing. They're both guards.

I would call Rivers a wing, though.

Just saying, there are certain players who I can see that it would only make sense to acquire them if we traded either Brogdon or Pritchard. Those players would probably be PG's and they would be 6'4" or under. Rivers is a 6'5" wing so he wouldn't fall in that bucket.

BK_2020 · Post #1123 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:33 pm

To add to my point about the rarity of supermax, the max contract isn't really such a loosely given thing either. In fact, two players with equal or better level of accomplishments were unable to sign for the max in recent years, aka Sabonis (3 AS and 1 All-NBA) and Randle (2 AS and 2 All-NBA). If Jaylen Brown is signed to a supermax, he will not only become the worst and least accomplished player ever to sign a supermax but also become one of the worst and least accomplished players to sign a max deal ever, beating out, I guess, Tobias Harris and Conley.

chrisab123 · Post #1124 » by **chrisab123** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:33 pm

The main target needs to be Embiid.

Hal14 · Post #1125 » by **Hal14** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:42 pm

robbie84 wrote:
ddb wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:
I agree Corey Maggette at the super max would suck. He's also in his mid 40s. What does this have to do with Jaylen Brown? If you're comparing the two players its a pretty crappy comparison.

Jaylen is concerned with improving his game. Corey Maggette was more concerned with becoming Big Poppa Pump.

This isn’t exactly being fair to JB. He had a bad series against Miami with a busted hand. No, he’s not a super max guy, but he’s still 26, an all star, and a really, really good player. He’s far superior to prime Maggette.

He's 100% a supermax player in todays NBA. There are 2 slots on every team right?
30 teams. 60 players who can get a supermax in the NBA. He's 100% one of those 60 guys.

It's definitely not ideal for team building / roster construction to have 2 guys on the same team with a supermax contract - especially with the new CBA.

There's only like 9 guys in the league on a supermax right now. Not 60.

Only team in the league with 2 supermax guys is minnesota and they're definitely not a team where you want to go by their blueprint haha. No titles ever, people are still mocking them for everything they gave up for Gobert, when they already had a star center and Gobert has a very limited offensive game.

Hal14 · Post #1126 » by **Hal14** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:43 pm

chrisab123 wrote:The main target needs to be Embiid.

Let's see how much of a hit he takes this season with all of the penalties now being enforced against flopping..

La Flame · Post #1127 » by **La Flame** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:43 pm

chrisab123 wrote:The main target needs to be Embiid.

Huge losing player, no thanks. If you think Jaylen turns it over too much..

Celts17Pride · Post #1128 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:47 pm

BK_2020 wrote:To add to my point about the rarity of supermax, the max contract isn't really such a loosely given thing either. In fact, two players with equal or better level of accomplishments were unable to sign for the max in recent years, aka Sabonis (3 AS and 1 All-NBA) and Randle (2 AS and 2 All-NBA). If Jaylen Brown is signed to a supermax, he will not only become the worst and least accomplished player ever to sign a supermax but also become one of the worst and least accomplished players to sign a max deal ever, beating out, I guess, Tobias Harris and Conley.

Comparing Jaylen Brown to Tobias Harris. Is there no depth so low that you won't stoop to?

BK_2020 · Post #1129 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:49 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:To add to my point about the rarity of supermax, the max contract isn't really such a loosely given thing either. In fact, two players with equal or better level of accomplishments were unable to sign for the max in recent years, aka Sabonis (3 AS and 1 All-NBA) and Randle (2 AS and 2 All-NBA). If Jaylen Brown is signed to a supermax, he will not only become the worst and least accomplished player ever to sign a supermax but also become one of the worst and least accomplished players to sign a max deal ever, beating out, I guess, Tobias Harris and Conley.

Comparing Jaylen Brown to Tobias Harris. Is there no depth so low that you won't stoop to?

Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

Celts17Pride · Post #1130 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:49 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:To add to my point about the rarity of supermax, the max contract isn't really such a loosely given thing either. In fact, two players with equal or better level of accomplishments were unable to sign for the max in recent years, aka Sabonis (3 AS and 1 All-NBA) and Randle (2 AS and 2 All-NBA). If Jaylen Brown is signed to a supermax, he will not only become the worst and least accomplished player ever to sign a supermax but also become one of the worst and least accomplished players to sign a max deal ever, beating out, I guess, Tobias Harris and Conley.

Comparing Jaylen Brown to Tobias Harris. Is there no depth so low that you won't stoop to?

Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

Who cares?

Celtics have been to 5 ECF and 1 NBA Finals in Jaylen Brown's first 7 years in Boston. He must be doing something right.

Post #1131 » by **Celtics_Champs** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:52 pm

La Flame wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:The main target needs to be Embiid.

Huge losing player, no thanks. If you think Jaylen turns it over too much..

I think he’d compliment JT very nice and have always liked that he has a respect for Boston and seems like he would want to play here.

I’m a sucker for people who love it here.

BK_2020 · Post #1132 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:54 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Comparing Jaylen Brown to Tobias Harris. Is there no depth so low that you won't stoop to?

Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

Who cares?

People who are engaged in debates as to whether Jaylen Brown is a supermax player or not? If you are not one of them, you have the option of not participating.
Or it's just your way of deflecting the question, since you can't name two 30% max contract players other than Tobias Harris and Conley who are worse than Jaylen.

Celts17Pride · Post #1133 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 1:58 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

Who cares?

People who are engaged in debates as to whether Jaylen Brown is a supermax player or not? If you are not one of them, you have the option of not participating.
Or it's just your way of deflecting the question, since you can't name two 30% max contract players other than Tobias Harris and Conley who are worse than Jaylen.

Jaylen Brown is a super max player because that's what the NBA rules say. 7 years with your original team and you make an All-NBA team you are eligible for a super max contract. People bitching and moaning and coming up with the most delightful stories and no one has even seen the contract terms yet. Celtics will do what they think is right. If the Celtics give him the full super max then so be it, if they don't then they don't.

People crying like it's coming out of their savings account.

Deserve has nothing to do with NBA contracts.

BK_2020 · Post #1134 » by **BK_2020** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:01 pm

The closest analogue to Jaylen right now in terms of accomplishments is Victor Oladipo in 2018 offseason. He was 26, coming off of 2 AS game appearances and an All-NBA season. The Pacers offered him a well-below max deal, he turned it down and got injured, and the Pacers ended up losing him 'for nothing.'

sam_I_am · Post #1135 » by **sam_I_am** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:01 pm

BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:To add to my point about the rarity of supermax, the max contract isn't really such a loosely given thing either. In fact, two players with equal or better level of accomplishments were unable to sign for the max in recent years, aka Sabonis (3 AS and 1 All-NBA) and Randle (2 AS and 2 All-NBA). If Jaylen Brown is signed to a supermax, he will not only become the worst and least accomplished player ever to sign a supermax but also become one of the worst and least accomplished players to sign a max deal ever, beating out, I guess, Tobias Harris and Conley.

Comparing Jaylen Brown to Tobias Harris. Is there no depth so low that you won't stoop to?

Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

What do they call the lowest ranked graduate of medical school class? Doctor. Who really cares how Brown ranks on max salary contract scale.

I understand that you want your max salary guy to be like Bird, Lebron, or Giannis and not like Webber, McGrady, DeRozan and the countless other top 25 players not good enough to carry a team on their own. However, the 2008 Celtics are an example of what can happen if you put a few very good players next to all time great. If Tatum is the guy we think, we can’t let very valuable players get away and Brown is definitely considered one of those by those whose opinions actually count.

Celts17Pride · Post #1136 » by **Celts17Pride** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:06 pm

BK_2020 wrote:The closest analogue to Jaylen right now in terms of accomplishments is Victor Oladipo in 2018 offseason. He was 26, coming off of 2 AS game appearances and an All-NBA season. The Pacers offered him a well-below max deal, he turned it down and got injured, and the Pacers ended up losing him 'for nothing.'

By the way, this is the NBA Trade/Free Agency Thread not the Jaylen Brown Thread. How many threads are you going to hijack?

GoCeltics123 · Post #1137 » by **GoCeltics123** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:16 pm

Jaylen/KP and every pick known to man for Embiid

Asian Celtic · Post #1138 » by **Asian Celtic** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:35 pm

I want embiid over dame just because he's a troll. I like the villain vibes more.

ddb · Post #1139 » by **ddb** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:43 pm

Hal14 wrote:
chrisab123 wrote:The main target needs to be Embiid.

Let's see how much of a hit he takes this season with all of the penalties now being enforced against flopping..

What's funny is that Boston & Philly are actually great trade partners this offseason. It won't happen, but a JB/Timelord/poopoo platter of picks for Embiid is a good trade for both teams.
The problem is they're division rivals, and Morey is a blow hard with too big of an ego to trade Embiid. He would wait for Embiid to demand out, and then wait another few months....It would be annoying as hell. Even worse than this Dame stuff.

ddb · Post #1140 » by **ddb** » Mon Jul 17, 2023 2:45 pm

Celts17Pride wrote:
BK_2020 wrote:
Celts17Pride wrote:Comparing Jaylen Brown to Tobias Harris. Is there no depth so low that you won't stoop to?

Name 2 players on max contracts who are less accomplished than Jaylen Brown?

Who cares?

Celtics have been to 5 ECF and 1 NBA Finals in Jaylen Brown's first 7 years in Boston. He must be doing something right.

Jaylen is very clearly an awesome all-around player. He's not a Top10 super star, but he's top 20 with room to improve. I keep thinking he reached his ceiling and then he comes back better. So, I'm going to assume that he'll be even better next season.