Scotto (HoopsHype): Raptors rumors

[Harold_and_Kumar]

Look. Two opinions. Sell or buy. They chose get a starter at Centre nearing his prime. You wanted to tank in order to summons the ghost of Sam Hinkie. They didn't do that. You mad. Try acceptance. You'll feel better.

Insanely dishonest post. There was no tanking involved. We were already the 6th worst team in the league, we were already bad. All that was needed was to stay the course. Selling at the deadline made more sense than not and you're delusional if you still buy the nonsense that was peddled around the deadline that Siakam would have more value during the summer - he had more at the deadline.

The humiliating play-in loss was evocative of how badly managed the team was last season, and here you are still trying to play it off as if it was no big deal. No wonder this board is at each other's throats daily now. Jure pure toxic dishonesty because of a cult of personality formed around the big shot at the top.

This sycophantic **** is embarrassing at this point. Learn some shame.

Insanely dishonest... Ok you are not a binary tanker just another fan dissing the front office. My question to you is what works better petition to get management fired or just be patient and wait and see? Fans being progressively angry and critical are having a tantrum about how their entertainment preferences turned out. Wait and see.

Why? Wait for what?

Wait and see is not the optimal approach at all times. You're not a better person because you're endlessly patient. Patience can be a mask for being fearful, overly-loyal, a procrastinator, indecisive, and prone to dithering on a decision.

I get annoyed seeing people stand on some artificial moral high ground because they're patient? Who cares, it's fandom. Let people be fans how they want to be. It's all relative anyway - if this was football in Europe, we'd have had three coaches last year due to fan pressure.

[mickie]

Insanely dishonest post. There was no tanking involved. We were already the 6th worst team in the league, we were already bad. All that was needed was to stay the course. Selling at the deadline made more sense than not and you're delusional if you still buy the nonsense that was peddled around the deadline that Siakam would have more value during the summer - he had more at the deadline.

The humiliating play-in loss was evocative of how badly managed the team was last season, and here you are still trying to play it off as if it was no big deal. No wonder this board is at each other's throats daily now. Jure pure toxic dishonesty because of a cult of personality formed around the big shot at the top.

This sycophantic **** is embarrassing at this point. Learn some shame.

Insanely dishonest... Ok you are not a binary tanker just another fan dissing the front office. My question to you is what works better petition to get management fired or just be patient and wait and see? Fans being progressively angry and critical are having a tantrum about how their entertainment preferences turned out. Wait and see.

Why? Wait for what?

Wait and see is not the optimal approach at all times. You're not a better person because you're endlessly patient. Patience can be a mask for being fearful, overly-loyal, a procrastinator, indecisive, and prone to dithering on a decision.

I get annoyed seeing people stand on some artificial moral high ground because they're patient? Who cares, it's fandom. Let people be fans how they want to be. It's all relative anyway - if this was football in Europe, we'd have had three coaches last year due to fan pressure.

You can always stop being a Raptors fan you know. Why stay in this darkness.. always your choice. Just because some are willing to wait doesn't mean their opinion or decision is wrong but just different from yours.. just walk away bro and be happy somewhere else.

[TorontoBarneys]

Insanely dishonest... Ok you are not a binary tanker just another fan dissing the front office. My question to you is what works better petition to get management fired or just be patient and wait and see? Fans being progressively angry and critical are having a tantrum about how their entertainment preferences turned out. Wait and see.

Why? Wait for what?

Wait and see is not the optimal approach at all times. You're not a better person because you're endlessly patient. Patience can be a mask for being fearful, overly-loyal, a procrastinator, indecisive, and prone to dithering on a decision.

I get annoyed seeing people stand on some artificial moral high ground because they're patient? Who cares, it's fandom. Let people be fans how they want to be. It's all relative anyway - if this was football in Europe, we'd have had three coaches last year due to fan pressure.

You can always stop being a Raptors fan you know. Why stay in this darkness.. always your choice. Just because some are willing to wait doesn't mean their opinion or decision is wrong but just different from yours.. just walk away bro and be happy somewhere else.

Strawmanning and gaslighting is all these people have left. ****'s sad.

[OAKLEY_2]

Where's Tinfoil Hat, Woke Social Justice Warrior and False Equivalency don't they count.

[OAKLEY_2]

Patience can be a mask for being fearful ...and may not be any of that whatsoever.

I get annoyed. So let people be. Clearly let people be if jives with your convictions but roast them if does not.

All this constant fan negativity does is create a greater level of hysteria and drama around something that one might think, on a good day, is to be enjoyed.

[Scase]

Who is showing a bias? I’m pointing out that it’s unnamed guys. It’s easy to hide behind anonymous comments, which I don’t give credence to.
You on the other hand are treating it like it’s gospel because someone (could be anyone) said that to Marc Stein.

No doubting that your confirmation bias is showing that you will side with anything that suggests that Masai & Bobby are completely useless. I wouldn’t expect anyone to keep track of my posting history but I have been very critical of our front office and how they handled last season in particular.
But I come to my criticisms through fair evaluations not based on what some source “who didn’t want to be named” says to a reporter.

Your bias is that you are more willing to believe the 1 or 2 rumours that Masai is not asking for the world, vs the 10+ that say he is.

You claim to have fair criticisms yet also say something dumb like "I’m pointing out that it’s unnamed guys. It’s easy to hide behind anonymous comments". Yeah, cause in no world do reporters ever identify their sources, that's how you lose sources.

This is journalism 101. If you want to only base opinions off statements from the horses mouth only, then all you get is the typical BS publicity sound bites that you have seen over the years from every FO.

Your grasp of journalism seems to miss a glaring difference: anonymous sources are used for uncovering news, as a way to break a larger story. In journalism you never go forward with a piece based solely on hearsay from unnamed sources, you use them to open paths then eventually corroborate with on-the-record sources.

This stuff isn’t breaking the Watergate scandal, this nothing more than unnamed sources simply whining and crying that someone isn’t playing nicely in the sandbox.

Try again, Sport.

Yeah, that's why they are flagged as rumours or speculation genius. You will never, ever find them listing their sources unless it is a confirmed report that is now publicly known such as a trade that was officially submitted to the league offices.

The fact that you think you have some magnificent grasp of journalism, while also suggesting just because it isn't water gate they shouldn't use anonymous sources, is just wildly stupid.

If you don't like rumours and only want to operate on actual reports, fine that's your call. You just don't get to discount rumours cause they don't jive with what you want to be true.

Go find those credible apparent non anonymous reports that indicate that Masai is a reasonable haggler and that he isn't asking for the moon. I'll wait.

[Dr Positivity]

Does anyone think our starting PG next year is going to be Lowry? I guess Portland could keep him as veteran leader.

[Raptors Realtor]

Why? Wait for what?

Wait and see is not the optimal approach at all times. You're not a better person because you're endlessly patient. Patience can be a mask for being fearful, overly-loyal, a procrastinator, indecisive, and prone to dithering on a decision.

I get annoyed seeing people stand on some artificial moral high ground because they're patient? Who cares, it's fandom. Let people be fans how they want to be. It's all relative anyway - if this was football in Europe, we'd have had three coaches last year due to fan pressure.

You can always stop being a Raptors fan you know. Why stay in this darkness.. always your choice. Just because some are willing to wait doesn't mean their opinion or decision is wrong but just different from yours.. just walk away bro and be happy somewhere else.

Strawmanning and gaslighting is all these people have left. ****'s sad.

You love your trumpisms.

[TorontoBarneys]

You can always stop being a Raptors fan you know. Why stay in this darkness.. always your choice. Just because some are willing to wait doesn't mean their opinion or decision is wrong but just different from yours.. just walk away bro and be happy somewhere else.

Strawmanning and gaslighting is all these people have left. ****'s sad.

You love your trumpisms.

what the hell are you even babbling about?

[MiamiSPX]

Does anyone think our starting PG next year is going to be Lowry? I guess Portland could keep him as veteran leader.

Pretty sure they'll buy him out and he goes to the Suns.

[Raptors Realtor]

Strawmanning and gaslighting is all these people have left. ****'s sad.

You love your trumpisms.

what the hell are you even babbling about?

Can't believe I have to explain this to you, actually I can... You use these terms all the time on here, thought you'd know that both strawman and gaslight are terms Trump made mainstream during his short political career, and hence, why they're referred to as Trumpisms... Not that complicated.

[TorontoBarneys]

You love your trumpisms.

what the hell are you even babbling about?

Can't believe I have to explain this to you, actually I can... You use these terms all the time on here, thought you'd know that both strawman and gaslight are terms Trump made mainstream during his short political career, and hence, why they're referred to as Trumpisms... Not that complicated.

Both of those terms have been in the English language for far longer than Trump has been alive. I think you've been following politics a bit too heavily my man. Turn off the TV.

[Raptors Realtor]

what the hell are you even babbling about?

Can't believe I have to explain this to you, actually I can... You use these terms all the time on here, thought you'd know that both strawman and gaslight are terms Trump made mainstream during his short political career, and hence, why they're referred to as Trumpisms... Not that complicated.

Both of those terms have been in the English language for far longer than Trump has been alive. I think you've been following politics a bit too heavily my man. Turn off the TV.

Hence why I said "made mainstream"... They were rarely used in modern times until trump bandied them about everytime he hit the stage or was in front of a camera.

[Reeko]

Can't believe I have to explain this to you, actually I can... You use these terms all the time on here, thought you'd know that both strawman and gaslight are terms Trump made mainstream during his short political career, and hence, why they're referred to as Trumpisms... Not that complicated.

Both of those terms have been in the English language for far longer than Trump has been alive. I think you've been following politics a bit too heavily my man. Turn off the TV.

Hence why I said "made mainstream"... They were rarely used in modern times until trump bandied them about everytime he hit the stage or was in front of a camera.

Valued posters, please stop derailing the discussion.

[Raptors Realtor]

Both of those terms have been in the English language for far longer than Trump has been alive. I think you've been following politics a bit too heavily my man. Turn off the TV.

Hence why I said "made mainstream"... They were rarely used in modern times until trump bandied them about everytime he hit the stage or was in front of a camera.

Valued posters, please stop derailing the discussion.

My bad.

[Harold_and_Kumar]

Insanely dishonest... Ok you are not a binary tanker just another fan dissing the front office. My question to you is what works better petition to get management fired or just be patient and wait and see? Fans being progressively angry and critical are having a tantrum about how their entertainment preferences turned out. Wait and see.

Why? Wait for what?

Wait and see is not the optimal approach at all times. You're not a better person because you're endlessly patient. Patience can be a mask for being fearful, overly-loyal, a procrastinator, indecisive, and prone to dithering on a decision.

I get annoyed seeing people stand on some artificial moral high ground because they're patient? Who cares, it's fandom. Let people be fans how they want to be. It's all relative anyway - if this was football in Europe, we'd have had three coaches last year due to fan pressure.

You can always stop being a Raptors fan you know. Why stay in this darkness.. always your choice. Just because some are willing to wait doesn't mean their opinion or decision is wrong but just different from yours.. just walk away bro and be happy somewhere else.

Who said I wasn't happy? Most people would describe me as overly positive and enthusiastic about most things that actually matter in life.

I just don't agree with the morality associated with a "patient approach" and the insinuation that everyone who isn't endlessly patient is a child throwing their toys out the pram. Seriously, I read it everyday on here, even from mods.

And I'm not even saying I'm right by the way. I think I am and that Masai has misjudged the roster and its future over the past two years, but who knows maybe history proves me wrong.

[mickie]

Why? Wait for what?

Wait and see is not the optimal approach at all times. You're not a better person because you're endlessly patient. Patience can be a mask for being fearful, overly-loyal, a procrastinator, indecisive, and prone to dithering on a decision.

I get annoyed seeing people stand on some artificial moral high ground because they're patient? Who cares, it's fandom. Let people be fans how they want to be. It's all relative anyway - if this was football in Europe, we'd have had three coaches last year due to fan pressure.

You can always stop being a Raptors fan you know. Why stay in this darkness.. always your choice. Just because some are willing to wait doesn't mean their opinion or decision is wrong but just different from yours.. just walk away bro and be happy somewhere else.

Strawmanning and gaslighting is all these people have left. ****'s sad.

Here's another one who thinks he knows better because of his opinion.. meanwhile in the real world Raptors FO is the one getting the calls and actual offers.. but continue with your negativity or whatever else you do to make your insecure self feel good.

[islandboy53]

Why? Wait for what?

Wait and see is not the optimal approach at all times. You're not a better person because you're endlessly patient. Patience can be a mask for being fearful, overly-loyal, a procrastinator, indecisive, and prone to dithering on a decision.

I get annoyed seeing people stand on some artificial moral high ground because they're patient? Who cares, it's fandom. Let people be fans how they want to be. It's all relative anyway - if this was football in Europe, we'd have had three coaches last year due to fan pressure.

You can always stop being a Raptors fan you know. Why stay in this darkness.. always your choice. Just because some are willing to wait doesn't mean their opinion or decision is wrong but just different from yours.. just walk away bro and be happy somewhere else.

Who said I wasn't happy? Most people would describe me as overly positive and enthusiastic about most things that actually matter in life.

I just don't agree with the morality associated with a "patient approach" and the insinuation that everyone who isn't endlessly patient is a child throwing their toys out the pram. Seriously, I read it everyday on here, even from mods.

And I'm not even saying I'm right by the way. I think I am and that Masai has misjudged the roster and its future over the past two years, but who knows maybe history proves me wrong.

It's interesting. Just over a year ago, in the wake of Toronto's 48 - 34 record, most folks were pleasantly surprised by the Raptors. They had exceeded expectations, and many of us were looking for an even better year with improvements from reigning rookie of the year, Scottie Barnes, the addition of Otto Porter Jr, and continued internal growth from OG, Trent and others. The season turned out differently, unfortunately. Nurse has been fired, VanVleet has moved on, and more changes may be on the way. Predictably, but sadly, many on here and elsewhere have taken to reframing the 21/22 season as part of a downward trend, evidence of managements "misjudgement" of its roster, among many other faults that apparently they've always been aware of. The level of revisionist history and intellectual dishonesty is staggering at times. This is not a failure management. The group assembled didn't meet expectations, and changes are in progress. Stay tuned. It's as simple as that.

[Smalltown]

The level of revisionist history and intellectual dishonesty is staggering at times. This is not a failure management. The group assembled didn't meet expectations, and changes are in progress. Stay tuned. It's as simple as that.

It really is that simple. And changing head coach and the entire staff is a HUGE change. I love Fred but we turned him into two pieces by letting him walk. I don't think the drop off will be as extreme as people expect at the point. We've added Gradey, Schroeder and Jalen McDaniels to the rotation while losing Fred (the only rotation loss so far). Plus gain an entire season of a starting calibur center for the first time in 3 years. I don't see the sky is falling scenario that so many on here do. Do i think we're a top 3 team in the east? No. Do i think we can compete for the 4-6 while developing our younger player? Absolutely.

[OAKLEY_2]

You can always stop being a Raptors fan you know. Why stay in this darkness.. always your choice. Just because some are willing to wait doesn't mean their opinion or decision is wrong but just different from yours.. just walk away bro and be happy somewhere else.

Who said I wasn't happy? Most people would describe me as overly positive and enthusiastic about most things that actually matter in life.

I just don't agree with the morality associated with a "patient approach" and the insinuation that everyone who isn't endlessly patient is a child throwing their toys out the pram. Seriously, I read it everyday on here, even from mods.

And I'm not even saying I'm right by the way. I think I am and that Masai has misjudged the roster and its future over the past two years, but who knows maybe history proves me wrong.

It's interesting. Just over a year ago, in the wake of Toronto's 48 - 34 record, most folks were pleasantly surprised by the Raptors. They had exceeded expectations, and many of us were looking for an even better year with improvements from reigning rookie of the year, Scottie Barnes, the addition of Otto Porter Jr, and continued internal growth from OG, Trent and others. The season turned out differently, unfortunately. Nurse has been fired, VanVleet has moved on, and more changes may be on the way. Predictably, but sadly, many on here and elsewhere have taken to reframing the 21/22 season as part of a downward trend, evidence of managements "misjudgement" of its roster, among many other faults that apparently they've always been aware of. The level of revisionist history and intellectual dishonesty is staggering at times. This is not a failure management. The group assembled didn't meet expectations, and changes are in progress. Stay tuned. It's as simple as that.

Exactly. Somebody in the front office said with rosters always in flux you have to pick best player available or, if an opportunity for personnel upgrades present themselves you have to pivot to Poetl or McDaniels even when being a buyer is not the obvious course of action. You have to consider picking a dropping player and to me that was Cam Whitmore but to those paid it was Gradey Dick. Clearly it was felt he was the best shooter prospect in the draft. Raps could have flipped with the Pacers for Wallace but they went with best player to drop. The point? There is as much reacting to events as there is to planning long term for every conceivable occurrence and angle or combination of occurring events. Events outside their obvious control.