Warriors acquire Trayce Jackson-Davis from Wizards

[Mac1958]

His slot in the draft makes absolutely zero sense to me. Pre-draft, I was hoping he'd be there at 19. I mentioned here that his four assists a game really stuck out -- it's clear he's smart and polished, even if he can't nail a three from San Leandro.

I wonder if we'll ever see the league increase the value of college experience, instead of drafting on potential.

[donkeylips]

i read that he wanted a guaranteed contract instead of a two way, and warriors promised him that while teams were only willing to offer a two way spot. i think his agent let it known that he wasnt willing to take a two way spot.

[DaHef]

Just wanted to say that I was the only one that was pushing for us to grab him even with the 19th pick a couple months ago:



You're welcome. Hopefully he works out for the team, long-term, to bring us a few more 'ships and beyond that.

Any chance you can send me a private message with tonights Powerball numbers?

[EvanZ]

You guys are talking about TJD but I was the first to mention Podziemski on Mar 21 lol viewtopic.php?p=104941768#p104941768

[HiRez]

His slot in the draft makes absolutely zero sense to me. Pre-draft, I was hoping he'd be there at 19. I mentioned here that his four assists a game really stuck out -- it's clear he's smart and polished, even if he can't nail a three from San Leandro.

I wonder if we'll ever see the league increase the value of college experience, instead of drafting on potential.

Drafting teams put an insane (IMO) negative weighting on player age, although I suppose it depends on what you're drafting for. Most of the very young guys picked out of the lottery are just going to end up playing for another team after their rookie deal anyway, if they're even still in the league at that point. For the Dubs, a 4-year player makes a ton of sense, especially right now. But yeah, I agree, I don't at all get how he fell to #57, that's nuts, I would have taken him at #19 with no regrets. Not complaining though. We've had some bad mojo in the draft in recent years so catching a small break is nice.

[EvanZ]

Well if you believe the reports, he "fell" because he and his agent wanted a guaranteed deal and they couldn't find one until that spot where the Warriors got him from Washington. Nobody else in the 50s gets guaranteed money, at least, not before SL. In fact very few players selected in the 40s get guaranteed deals these days.

TL;DR He could have gone higher probably if he was ok with getting a two-way deal or other non-guaranteed contract.

[whatisacenter]

You guys are talking about TJD but I was the first to mention Podziemski on Mar 21 lol viewtopic.php?p=104941768#p104941768

congratulations?

[Twinkie defense]

His slot in the draft makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Like with Draymond, when they pull out the measuring tape he looks like a tweener. A lot of execs pay more attention to the measurables than the game tape.

[TB]

His slot in the draft makes absolutely zero sense to me.

Like with Draymond, when they pull out the measuring tape he looks like a tweener. A lot of execs pay more attention to the measurables than the game tape.

I actually think Trayce measurements improved his stock. 6'8.25 barefoot, 240, 7'1 wingspan. Thats pretty standard for a slightly undersized center. I think he didn't get drafted 1st round because of his age, how slow he is, and fact he doesn't space the floor. But he would have gotten drafted near the top of 2nd round if his team wasn't discouraging teams from drafting him if it was only a 2way likely. At pick 35 they knew they had a guaranteed contract if the Warriors could find a trade. Other teams weren't doing that so he dropped until we were able to find a trade partner.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

His slot in the draft makes absolutely zero sense to me. Pre-draft, I was hoping he'd be there at 19. I mentioned here that his four assists a game really stuck out -- it's clear he's smart and polished, even if he can't nail a three from San Leandro.

I wonder if we'll ever see the league increase the value of college experience, instead of drafting on potential.

Maybe he punched a teammate at practice and there was no camera there. He looks too good for a late 2nd round pick.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I am seeing a cross between 2 parts Chris Birman Anderson, 1 part Zach Randolph, 1 part his dad Dale Davis and 1 part Amare Stodamire.

[Twinkie defense]

I actually think Trayce measurements improved his stock. 6'8.25 barefoot, 240, 7'1 wingspan.

6'8" center?

Not a lot of teams love that. (Though they should - it's a lot easier to find an impactful big at 6' 8" than 7').

There is definitely a bias against upper classmen - teams have hubris and think they can mold that 19 year-old athletic freak into an All Star, but that with a four year college player what you see is what you get.

[CDM_Stats]

I actually think Trayce measurements improved his stock. 6'8.25 barefoot, 240, 7'1 wingspan.

6'8" center?

Not a lot of teams love that. (Though they should - it's a lot easier to find an impactful big at 6' 8" than 7').

There is definitely a bias against upper classmen - teams have hubris and think they can mold that 19 year-old athletic freak into an All Star, but that with a four year college player what you see is what you get.

The height/wingspan thing just means there is less margin for error on a player than one with a gifted height/wingspan. Before we stopped, my group fiddled with a numeric value (0-100) for draft prospects.. we would average out the players' height/wingspan, and put it into a group (ex: for guards, 6'4 was the target. Anything below was -5 per inch, anything above was +5; and so on for wings at 6'7, forwards at 6'10, and bigs at 7'1). Couldn't make the math work in any finite way due to the actual basketball details, but was a good exercise in determining why height is less meaningful than most believe. Take Moses Moody, a 6'5 guy with a 7'1 wingspan - we'd look at him as 6'9, which put him closer to SF/PF than SG/SF.

Agree on the bias.. there's a lot of conflation between development and fit/experience in the system. I dont care that TJD is 23, a 23 year old can develop a new skill just as easy - maybe easier - than a 19 year old. The only difference is that there's less of a timeframe to do it. But when you're drafting in the back half of the 1st and beyond, the odds that you are developing a guy who for sure will be signing his 2nd contract with you is much slimmer than the top 15, so I'd just as soon draft a 23 year old over a 19 year old so long as the 23 year old is better, even slightly. The last 40 picks of the draft, especially for winning teams, should be about getting hits, not getting homers

[EvanZ]

I am seeing a cross between 2 parts Chris Birman Anderson, 1 part Zach Randolph, 1 part his dad Dale Davis and 1 part Amare Stodamire.

You could have just said Jordan Bell. Much easier comp.

[EvanZ]

I dont care that TJD is 23, a 23 year old can develop a new skill just as easy - maybe easier - than a 19 year old. The only difference is that there's less of a timeframe to do it.

The 19 year old has 4 years to prove it. The 23 year old simply proved he spent 4 years not gaining that skill. TJD had 4 years where he could have worked on his shooting.

He took THREE 3pt attempt in 4 years. ZERO in his senior season. He also never shot above 70% from the line in any season.

[CDM_Stats]

I dont care that TJD is 23, a 23 year old can develop a new skill just as easy - maybe easier - than a 19 year old. The only difference is that there's less of a timeframe to do it.

The 19 year old has 4 years to prove it. The 23 year old simply proved he spent 4 years not gaining that skill. TJD had 4 years where he could have worked on his shooting.

He took THREE 3pt attempt in 4 years. ZERO in his senior season. He also never shot above 70% from the line in any season.

For shooting I'd agree, just like any universal skill. There's definitely no excuse for why TJD cant shoot, nor should their be any reliance on the idea that he'll ever deliver a credible NBA jumper. If he's routinely doing well in the gym though, would like to see him at least test the waters on it. Even a 34% corner 3 can be used

Was more referring to things that would come dangerously close to being called "fit" things. For example, if there was a 23 y/o guy who didnt set screens in college for whatever reason, do I think the 23 y/o could learn as fast or faster than a 19 y/o counterpart? Yes. But even that's a bit universal, so I guess I'm more referring to defensive and offensive schematics. TJD wasnt in motion a ton from what I saw, can that be unlocked? Same with his perimeter defense - can he switch and stay? And I think those kind of things will define how he does here, because they are more realistic to unlock and you can reasonably justify why he hasnt been able to show them to date

[EvanZ]

Mike Woodson is not the world's best coach but do you think he was "hiding" TJD's "hidden mobility" or something? I mean I watched the kid for 4 years and so did many many others. Mobility is just not something he's ever been accused of. I don't care what the scheme is.

[Onus]

Can he learn to switch and stay? Sure, the same way Lebron could become a 90% ft shooter. Is it likely? Probably not. People comparing him to looney, looney was playing the top of a 3-2 zone in college as a freshman and causing havoc. He’s always had great feet even though he moves like molasses.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I am seeing a cross between 2 parts Chris Birman Anderson, 1 part Zach Randolph, 1 part his dad Dale Davis and 1 part Amare Stodamire.

You could have just said Jordan Bell. Much easier comp.

I think TJD will be better than Jordan Bell and will be a scorer.

Bell will be the better passer and better shot blocker. Actually I can’t predict TJD’s shot blocking. He was a good shot blocker in college and his shot blocking has looked good in summer league.

TJD seems to have a feel for shot blocking but NBA players are not as easy to block.

[CDM_Stats]

Mike Woodson is not the world's best coach but do you think he was "hiding" TJD's "hidden mobility" or something? I mean I watched the kid for 4 years and so did many many others. Mobility is just not something he's ever been accused of. I don't care what the scheme is.

Well he's not the one to do it, it would come from the S&D coaches. Its not unheard of for college players, young or old, to remake their bodies to acclimate themselves to the NBA. We're used to it being in one direction - young players bulking up. But with mobility becoming more pervasive for bigs in the NBA - arguably more so than college where there are more Jake Edey types - it wouldn't shock me at all for him to improve there, if that is the goal and if TJD has the drive to do it. Not unlike any skinny kid that needs to bulk up, although it will be a further uphill climb

Right now TJD is the heaviest guy on the team by about 15-20#.. if he sheds 10 to be 235, as well as developing lean muscle (the programs for this are very effective), I could see it. I wouldnt *bank* on it, mostly because these things are more closely tied to diet than workouts and changing diets is very hard for a lot of folks, but its not locked in. I'd also expect for him to lose some weight naturally, because extrapolating his movement in the few games I could, he was pretty stationary.. compared to here, where that can't happen. He's going to be sucking air a lot this year, mostly in practice, but still