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Re: Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24 

Post#1341 » by 165bows » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:36 pm

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Celts17Pride wrote:So serious question:

If Knicks and Evan Fournier can't find a trade and he gets bought out, would the Celtics be interested in in signing him to a vet min. deal?

Fournier had decent chemistry and pretty good numbers 45% FG Pct and 46% 3PT Pct in his time in Boston. He would serve a purpose off the bench. Any thoughts?



He won’t get bought out; he’ll be used as expiring in a trade and if a trade doesn’t come; they can still pick up his team option and try it again. Expiring salary is gonna be mega useful again under the new cba when it’s getting harder to dump long term bad money to cap space team.

0 chance he gets bought out; Knicks books are surprisingly clean; helps that Brunson and randle both make under 30 mil aav

He would be like Gallo - bought out after a trade where he was moved as matching salary. Not unlikely at all in that context.

Not sure I love the idea but don't hate it either - though his numbers last year are ugly.
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Post#1342 » by 165bows » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:39 pm

Hal14 wrote:4 little factoids about Lamar Stevens.

1) His shooting is getting better and better.

Year 1: 16%
Year 2: 28%
Year 3: 32%

22-23 season
First 34 games: 27.8% from 3
Last 40 games: 38.1% from 3

2) 12/14/22 Cavs vs Mavs. Lamar Stevens was a game-high +22. Luka Doncic was a -20. They both played 38+ minutes. Luka shot 39% FG and 25% from 3, with 5 turnovers and 6 assists (much lower than his season average in assists, much higher than his season average in turnovers). Cavs win in a blowout.

Stevens was the primary defender on Luka for pretty much the whole game. Stevens gave Luka a tough time. There were several possessions (including some in the 4th quarter when Dallas was still alive) where Luka did not even touch the ball for the entire possession because Stevens was hounding him.

There were also a few possessions where the Mavs tried to run high screens to try and force Cleveland to switch, to get someone *other* than Stevens defending Luka.

Here's some clips from the game. You can see some nice cuts by Stevens. Also, it looks like he has a hitch in his shot - it's kind of noticeable at 1:43. Perhaps he fixed it, and that's why he shot the ball much better later in the season


3) He played a really solid game, contributing in various ways (hitting shots, playing tough D, grabbing boards, bring toughness/physicality, etc.) when the Cavs beat us during the reg season. I think it was the infamous "Ima make em both game" lol

4) Same last name as Brad

Don't hate the idea of a defensive specialist at the 3/4 at all. Kind of thought that is what Brissett was brought in for but hey if they want another then that's good with me. Don't mind any of the last few suggestions - D. Green, Diallo, this Stevens guy seems useful in that GWill bowling ball mold.
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Post#1343 » by Dogen » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:40 pm

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Hal14 wrote:I mean, I'm not saying Fournier is some elite defender. He's obviously not.

But c'mon now. He got thrown onto a new team in the middle of the playoff chase, having to learn new defensive schemes and adjust to playing defense with guys he had never played with before...all while moving his family (wife + 1 year old baby boy) cross country in the middle of the season and while recovering from a very severe case of COVID.


And then he cried all the way to the bank for the big payday in the Big Apple and that was that.

So he wanted to get paid - do you blame him?

He also went to a knicks team that had 0 all-star wings, instead of Boston who has 2 all-star wings which means he had a chance to get more mins and more of a role in new york.

I don't blame him one bit.


I don't blame him one bit, either. However, I would have blamed the Celtics FO if they had paid him that contract.
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Post#1344 » by Andrew McCeltic » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:44 pm

Did we see Windhorst says both Stevens and Mazzulla want to emphasize high volume three point shooting offense?

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10083102-celtics-rumors-hc-mazzulla-was-never-in-trouble-for-heat-loss-amid-hot-seat-buzz.amp.html
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Post#1345 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:49 pm

165bows wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
Spoiler:
4 little factoids about Lamar Stevens.

1) His shooting is getting better and better.

Year 1: 16%
Year 2: 28%
Year 3: 32%

22-23 season
First 34 games: 27.8% from 3
Last 40 games: 38.1% from 3

2) 12/14/22 Cavs vs Mavs. Lamar Stevens was a game-high +22. Luka Doncic was a -20. They both played 38+ minutes. Luka shot 39% FG and 25% from 3, with 5 turnovers and 6 assists (much lower than his season average in assists, much higher than his season average in turnovers). Cavs win in a blowout.

Stevens was the primary defender on Luka for pretty much the whole game. Stevens gave Luka a tough time. There were several possessions (including some in the 4th quarter when Dallas was still alive) where Luka did not even touch the ball for the entire possession because Stevens was hounding him.

There were also a few possessions where the Mavs tried to run high screens to try and force Cleveland to switch, to get someone *other* than Stevens defending Luka.

Here's some clips from the game. You can see some nice cuts by Stevens. Also, it looks like he has a hitch in his shot - it's kind of noticeable at 1:43. Perhaps he fixed it, and that's why he shot the ball much better later in the season


3) He played a really solid game, contributing in various ways (hitting shots, playing tough D, grabbing boards, bring toughness/physicality, etc.) when the Cavs beat us during the reg season. I think it was the infamous "Ima make em both game" lol

4) Same last name as Brad



Don't hate the idea of a defensive specialist at the 3/4 at all. Kind of thought that is what Brissett was brought in for but hey if they want another then that's good with me. Don't mind any of the last few suggestions - D. Green, Diallo, this Stevens guy seems useful in that GWill bowling ball mold.

Yeah, I think Stevens might be a little bit better defender, while Brissett is a little more dynamic/skilled/explosive as a scorer.

But it might be a little redundant with them both - along with Walsh.

It's good to have depth/options though..
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Post#1346 » by Cricket23 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:52 pm

Clippers get Brogdon and Pritchard

Pistons get Mann, Morris, 1st via Boston, 2nds?

C's get Bogdanovic and Hayes.

Money as close as it can get all the way around. Bogdanovic is a clutch player who'd be great in Boston, an ultimate 6th man who easily replaces Brogdon's scoring. I see Hayes as a wonderful buy low candidate who is facing a positional squeeze in Detroit. Disappointing so far due to poor shooting but still just 21 and he's 6' 5". He's an excellent passer who can run an offense and a good defender.
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Post#1347 » by playa-hater » Tue Jul 18, 2023 9:59 pm

Cricket23 wrote:Clippers get Brogdon and Pritchard

Pistons get Mann, Morris, 1st via Boston, 2nds?

C's get Bogdanovic and Hayes.

Money as close as it can get all the way around. Bogdanovic is a clutch player who'd be great in Boston, an ultimate 6th man who easily replaces Brogdon's scoring. I see Hayes as a wonderful buy low candidate who is facing a positional squeeze in Detroit. Disappointing so far due to poor shooting but still just 21 and he's 6' 5". He's an excellent passer who can run an offense and a good defender.


I think this is quite reasonable
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Post#1348 » by BK_2020 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:12 pm

Killian Hayes is a deeply negative value player. At $7 mil., dollar for dollar his contract might be the worst contract in the league, possibly ever.
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Post#1349 » by Hal14 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:21 pm

BK_2020 wrote:Killian Hayes is a deeply negative value player. At $7 mil., dollar for dollar his contract might be the worst contract in the league, possibly ever.

Yeah, he's not very good. I'd probably rather have Pritchard, who is at least a reliable shooter and knows our systems, has chemistry with our guys, cheaper contract, etc.

Brogdon and Bogdanovic is basically a wash. Brogdon knows our system, has chemistry with our guys. Mine as well keep him over Bogdanovic who would have to start from scratch here, and there's less certainty around how he'd fit here than there is with Brogdon.

With Smart gone and Porzingis here, I think I'd rather have the combo-guard (Brogdon), rather than the combo-forward (Bogdanovic).

Plus in that trade, we're giving up a 1st round pick - no thanks.
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Post#1350 » by darrendaye » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:25 pm

Andrew McCeltic wrote:Did we see Windhorst says both Stevens and Mazzulla want to emphasize high volume three point shooting offense?

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10083102-celtics-rumors-hc-mazzulla-was-never-in-trouble-for-heat-loss-amid-hot-seat-buzz.amp.html


Never had a problem with high volume 3 pointers. Had/have a problem with taking 3 pointers when you have little chance at getting offensive rebounds if you miss. I'm extremely happy they are returning emphasis on 2 big lineups and hopefully they will also work better side to side ball movement which, I believe, improves one's chances in that regard.
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Post#1351 » by hugepatsfan » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:27 pm

Yeah Hayes is terrible. No need for a team as deep into the tax as we are, pushing the 2nd apron, to even consider taking him on.

I like the idea of Bogdanovich though. I had an idea like that earlier this offseason:

LAC gives: Marcus Morris, Amir Coffey, 2nds
LAC gets: Malcolm Brogdon

WAS gives: Delon Wright
WAS gets: Payton Pritchard, 2nds

DET gives: Bojan Bogdanvich
DET gets: Marcus Morris, Amir Coffey, 2024 GSW 1st

BOS gives: Maclolm Brogdon, Payton Pritchard, 2024 GSW 1st, 2nds
BOS gets: Bojan Bogdanovich, Delon Wright

I love a playoff rotation of

White / Wright
Brown
Tatum / Bogdanovich
Porzingis
RWilliams / Horford
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Post#1352 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:45 pm

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Post#1353 » by Andrew McCeltic » Tue Jul 18, 2023 10:50 pm

Have Tatum or Brown met Porzingis yet in Boston or said anything positive publicly about the acquisition?
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Post#1354 » by Cricket23 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:01 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:Yeah Hayes is terrible. No need for a team as deep into the tax as we are, pushing the 2nd apron, to even consider taking him on.

I like the idea of Bogdanovich though. I had an idea like that earlier this offseason:

LAC gives: Marcus Morris, Amir Coffey, 2nds
LAC gets: Malcolm Brogdon

WAS gives: Delon Wright
WAS gets: Payton Pritchard, 2nds

DET gives: Bojan Bogdanvich
DET gets: Marcus Morris, Amir Coffey, 2024 GSW 1st

BOS gives: Maclolm Brogdon, Payton Pritchard, 2024 GSW 1st, 2nds
BOS gets: Bojan Bogdanovich, Delon Wright

I love a playoff rotation of

White / Wright
Brown
Tatum / Bogdanovich
Porzingis
RWilliams / Horford


2 separate trades but that's fine. I like Wright, unremarkable but solid, a lesser Derrick White. What Boston does not have is a true PG who can set others up and that's what Hayes is. A team is going to take a chance on him and I believe they will end up looking pretty smart because his best is yet to come.
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Post#1356 » by Fierce1 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:06 pm

Mannix and Amina are just homers.

Replacing Smart and Grant with KP is an upgrade.

Saying that "KP worries me" is just bias.
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Post#1357 » by darrendaye » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:10 pm

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Post#1358 » by Floody100 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:22 pm

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Mannix consistently proving how little his basketball knowledge is. Running it back with the same team would’ve been the worst possible outcome for us this offseason.
I love the effort Marcus brought to this team but he tried to do more on the offensive end than he was actually capable of doing. Whether you liked it or not their was a reason Grant was getting DNP’s. He had his moments but like Marcus, he tried do more than he was capable of doing.
I understand the potential injury concerns but with Rob’s consistent unavailability & Al’s age, replacing Smart & Grant with a 27 year old Kristaps Porzingis is a considerable upgrade.
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Post#1359 » by Green89 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:22 pm

Thibs probably hated Fournier's defense, which is why he was out of the rotation. But he's still a decent shooter, and we could use him in our high volume offense Joe likes to run.
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Post#1360 » by Riverwalk2021 » Tue Jul 18, 2023 11:30 pm

Chris Mannix DKSAB, and Jordan Walsh is already better than Grant lol. Sad but true.

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