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Re: Who will be our 4th and 5th big men? 

Post#21 » by ThePigeon » Mon Jul 10, 2023 9:08 am

Can we sign a player who is under a two-way contract?
Can we trade for one?

This Orlando Robinson guy from the Heat could be the person we are looking for

I guess Kornet will be it
He is useful at times and a really good and fun guy
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Post#22 » by Djh7475 » Tue Jul 11, 2023 10:57 pm

Tatum will see a decent chunk of minutes at the 4. Jaylen will get some here and there. Brissett will likely see some time there as well. I would love to go after a guy that can play minutes at the 4 and 5 and space the floor like Christian Wood if we can afford him. He still hasn’t gotten an offer above the minimum yet, and we could cut Kornet and give him close to $4M.

Since we’ll probably load manage all of our bigs, he’d get plenty of minutes even if they may be somewhat inconsistent. He would be my top target.
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Re: Who will be our 4th and 5th big men? 

Post#23 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 12, 2023 1:44 pm

ThePigeon wrote:Can we sign a player who is under a two-way contract?
Can we trade for one?

This Orlando Robinson guy from the Heat could be the person we are looking for

I guess Kornet will be it
He is useful at times and a really good and fun guy

Robinson is not on a 2-way. He got signed to a standard contract with the Heat..

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/heats-orlando-robinson-signs-standard-contract/
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Re: Who will be our 4th and 5th big men? 

Post#24 » by ThePigeon » Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:29 pm

Hal14 wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:Can we sign a player who is under a two-way contract?
Can we trade for one?

This Orlando Robinson guy from the Heat could be the person we are looking for

I guess Kornet will be it
He is useful at times and a really good and fun guy

Robinson is not on a 2-way. He got signed to a standard contract with the Heat..

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/heats-orlando-robinson-signs-standard-contract/


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He was on a two-way last year

But my question is still valid (maybe not in this thread). Can we sign a two-way player from other team to a contract?
If not, how do you trade for one?
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Re: Who will be our 4th and 5th big men? 

Post#25 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 12, 2023 7:33 pm

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Hal14 wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:Can we sign a player who is under a two-way contract?
Can we trade for one?

This Orlando Robinson guy from the Heat could be the person we are looking for

I guess Kornet will be it
He is useful at times and a really good and fun guy

Robinson is not on a 2-way. He got signed to a standard contract with the Heat..

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/heats-orlando-robinson-signs-standard-contract/


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He was on a two-way last year

But my question is still valid (maybe not in this thread). Can we sign a two-way player from other team to a contract?
If not, how do you trade for one?

I don't believe you can trade for a guy who's on a 2-way. If you can, I don't believe it's ever happened so it's unlikely to happen since there's no precedence for it (that I'm aware of).

I suppose there could be some under the table type of stuff that could happen (and perhaps has happened) where a guy on a 2-way is not getting any playing time with the big club but is ripping up the g league, there might be some conversations with that team's GM and the GM for other team(s) who say "look dude, we'll actually play him over here. Release him from his 2-way and then we'll sign him to a standard contract". Then that happens, and the team could just sign some other guy to the now vacant 2-way slot.

I'm just guessing, though hahah.
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Re: Who will be our 4th and 5th big men? 

Post#26 » by Parliament10 » Sun Jul 16, 2023 6:10 pm

Hal14 wrote:
ThePigeon wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Robinson is not on a 2-way. He got signed to a standard contract with the Heat..

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/basketball/news/heats-orlando-robinson-signs-standard-contract/


Thanks
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He was on a two-way last year

But my question is still valid (maybe not in this thread). Can we sign a two-way player from other team to a contract?
If not, how do you trade for one?

I don't believe you can trade for a guy who's on a 2-way. If you can, I don't believe it's ever happened so it's unlikely to happen since there's no precedence for it (that I'm aware of).

I suppose there could be some under the table type of stuff that could happen (and perhaps has happened) where a guy on a 2-way is not getting any playing time with the big club but is ripping up the g league, there might be some conversations with that team's GM and the GM for other team(s) who say "look dude, we'll actually play him over here. Release him from his 2-way and then we'll sign him to a standard contract". Then that happens, and the team could just sign some other guy to the now vacant 2-way slot.

I'm just guessing, though hahah.

Two-Ways have been able to be Traded, since the concept came into the NBA, in 2017.
But, I think that Hal may be Right. I don't recall any Two-Way Players having been Traded.

Though that might change, with the recent advent of a 3rd Two-Way on Teams.



https://2ways10days.com/nba-two-way-contracts-faq-70d1c9cbbe9
Can players on two-way contracts be traded?

Yes. However, they cannot be traded for 30 days after they are signed, and trades of two-way players do not generate trade exceptions for the parent team.

This detail seems minor but teams sometimes include “throw in players” to sweeten the pot on a trade proposal. Adding a young player on a two-way contract to a trade isn’t likely to make or break the trade, but could allow for some wiggle room one way or the other. Also, think of the amazing hindsight reactions if a player on a two-way contract is traded and becomes a vital piece down the road for their new team.
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Re: Who will be our 4th and 5th big men? 

Post#27 » by patman66 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:54 am

If Christian Wood would sign for 5 mill, he is the guy. Would he be happy getting 20 min a game?

From the scrap heat I like Len and WCS
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Post#28 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 2:26 pm

patman66 wrote:If Christian Wood would sign for 5 mill, he is the guy. Would he be happy getting 20 min a game?

There's no way he'd get 20 MPG on this team.

We already have Porzingis, Rob and Al. Our 4th big is gonna get DNP's every game when those guys are healthy.

patman66 wrote:From the scrap heat I like Len and WCS

WCS is horrible. No longer an NBA caliber player. Len is ok, but I don't think he's any better than Kornet. I think going from Kornet to Len would be a lateral move, so no point in making that switch when Kornet has already been here for 2.5 seasons, he knows our system, he's got chemistry built up with our guys, we know he fits in, we know he is content with a limited role, etc.
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Re: Who will be our 4th and 5th big men? 

Post#29 » by bucknersrevenge » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:00 pm

If they even bring in another wing, I think you'd have to go with Blake again for all the reasons post:

-knows the system
-knows the players and fits in
-comfortable with sporadic PT

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Post#30 » by 165bows » Wed Jul 19, 2023 3:03 pm

bucknersrevenge wrote:If they even bring in another wing, I think you'd have to go with Blake again for all the reasons post:

-knows the system
-knows the players and fits in
-comfortable with sporadic PT

If you decide to cut Champagnie you can bring him back.

I kind of assumed they were bringing Blake back, but not sure now just due to the roster numbers. Hope he can get squeezed in, fun dude to have on the team.
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Post#31 » by patman66 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 4:46 pm

Hal14 wrote:
patman66 wrote:If Christian Wood would sign for 5 mill, he is the guy. Would he be happy getting 20 min a game?

There's no way he'd get 20 MPG on this team.

We already have Porzingis, Rob and Al. Our 4th big is gonna get DNP's every game when those guys are healthy.

patman66 wrote:From the scrap heat I like Len and WCS

WCS is horrible. No longer an NBA caliber player. Len is ok, but I don't think he's any better than Kornet. I think going from Kornet to Len would be a lateral move, so no point in making that switch when Kornet has already been here for 2.5 seasons, he knows our system, he's got chemistry built up with our guys, we know he fits in, we know he is content with a limited role, etc.


Well, Rob and KP miss 20 games a year each and Horford should miss a gam3 every 2 weeks to keep himself fresh. I fy you somehow believe that by some miricle those three are going to play 70 games you're deluding yourself.
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Post#32 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:04 pm

patman66 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
patman66 wrote:If Christian Wood would sign for 5 mill, he is the guy. Would he be happy getting 20 min a game?

There's no way he'd get 20 MPG on this team.

We already have Porzingis, Rob and Al. Our 4th big is gonna get DNP's every game when those guys are healthy.

patman66 wrote:From the scrap heat I like Len and WCS

WCS is horrible. No longer an NBA caliber player. Len is ok, but I don't think he's any better than Kornet. I think going from Kornet to Len would be a lateral move, so no point in making that switch when Kornet has already been here for 2.5 seasons, he knows our system, he's got chemistry built up with our guys, we know he fits in, we know he is content with a limited role, etc.


Well, Rob and KP miss 20 games a year each and Horford should miss a gam3 every 2 weeks to keep himself fresh. I fy you somehow believe that by some miricle those three are going to play 70 games you're deluding yourself.

Even still, we're talking about a 4th big here.

Kornet was our THIRD big last season (and Rob had offseason surgery which caused him to miss over half the season) and we *still* had the #1 net rating in the league.
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Post#33 » by 31to6 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 5:41 pm

Hal14 wrote:
patman66 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:There's no way he'd get 20 MPG on this team.

We already have Porzingis, Rob and Al. Our 4th big is gonna get DNP's every game when those guys are healthy.


WCS is horrible. No longer an NBA caliber player. Len is ok, but I don't think he's any better than Kornet. I think going from Kornet to Len would be a lateral move, so no point in making that switch when Kornet has already been here for 2.5 seasons, he knows our system, he's got chemistry built up with our guys, we know he fits in, we know he is content with a limited role, etc.


Well, Rob and KP miss 20 games a year each and Horford should miss a gam3 every 2 weeks to keep himself fresh. I fy you somehow believe that by some miricle those three are going to play 70 games you're deluding yourself.

Even still, we're talking about a 4th big here.

Kornet was our THIRD big last season (and Rob had offseason surgery which caused him to miss over half the season) and we *still* had the #1 net rating in the league.


Oh you haven’t heard? We need 20 all-stars headed into the season. That way we can lose five of them to injury, flood, legal problems or other reasons at any given time and still field a full roster;) Anything less is a total FAIL by Brad!

**this leaves four All stars for other teams so I believe it to be realistic
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Post#34 » by patman66 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:12 pm

31to6 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
patman66 wrote:
Well, Rob and KP miss 20 games a year each and Horford should miss a gam3 every 2 weeks to keep himself fresh. I fy you somehow believe that by some miricle those three are going to play 70 games you're deluding yourself.

Even still, we're talking about a 4th big here.

Kornet was our THIRD big last season (and Rob had offseason surgery which caused him to miss over half the season) and we *still* had the #1 net rating in the league.


Oh you haven’t heard? We need 20 all-stars headed into the season. That way we can lose five of them to injury, flood, legal problems or other reasons at any given time and still field a full roster;) Anything less is a total FAIL by Brad!

**this leaves four All stars for other teams so I believe it to be realistic


You dont get all stars in free agency for the taxpayer MLE which I ref when noting Wood. I am not advocating signing stars. Our 3rd big last year was grant williams who over the last 2 years averaged 25 min a game for 80 games that is 2000 min to be replaced. Kornet played 800, Griffen played 400, that is 3200 min to be replaced. KP plays 60 games on average per year at say 32 min a gmae. that is approx 1850 min. Wood Playing 70 games at 20 min is 1400. so that 1400 and KP 1850 is 3250. To say there is not min for him as a 4th big when our other 3 miss 20 games a year is wrong.
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Post#35 » by patman66 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:14 pm

Hal14 wrote:
patman66 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:There's no way he'd get 20 MPG on this team.

We already have Porzingis, Rob and Al. Our 4th big is gonna get DNP's every game when those guys are healthy.


WCS is horrible. No longer an NBA caliber player. Len is ok, but I don't think he's any better than Kornet. I think going from Kornet to Len would be a lateral move, so no point in making that switch when Kornet has already been here for 2.5 seasons, he knows our system, he's got chemistry built up with our guys, we know he fits in, we know he is content with a limited role, etc.


Well, Rob and KP miss 20 games a year each and Horford should miss a gam3 every 2 weeks to keep himself fresh. I fy you somehow believe that by some miricle those three are going to play 70 games you're deluding yourself.

Even still, we're talking about a 4th big here.

Kornet was our THIRD big last season (and Rob had offseason surgery which caused him to miss over half the season) and we *still* had the #1 net rating in the league.


Grant was our 3rd big.
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Post#36 » by Hal14 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:36 pm

patman66 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:
patman66 wrote:
Well, Rob and KP miss 20 games a year each and Horford should miss a gam3 every 2 weeks to keep himself fresh. I fy you somehow believe that by some miricle those three are going to play 70 games you're deluding yourself.

Even still, we're talking about a 4th big here.

Kornet was our THIRD big last season (and Rob had offseason surgery which caused him to miss over half the season) and we *still* had the #1 net rating in the league.


Grant was our 3rd big.

I don't really consider him a big.

I consider a big to be someone who could play the 5 and not be undersized. Grant is definitely undersized at the 5 and is more of a 4.

I don't think anybody considers PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder or Larry Nance Jr to be a big.
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Post#37 » by patman66 » Wed Jul 19, 2023 11:45 pm

Hal14 wrote:
patman66 wrote:
Hal14 wrote:Even still, we're talking about a 4th big here.

Kornet was our THIRD big last season (and Rob had offseason surgery which caused him to miss over half the season) and we *still* had the #1 net rating in the league.


Grant was our 3rd big.

I don't really consider him a big.

I consider a big to be someone who could play the 5 and not be undersized. Grant is definitely undersized at the 5 and is more of a 4.

I don't think anybody considers PJ Tucker, Jae Crowder or Larry Nance Jr to be a big.


Well. when I hear big, I think 4s and 5s. If you just mean centers that is something else. I think guards, wings and bigs. I don't consider tatum a big although, he played with Brown, + 2 0f Brogdon/Smart/White with Al at center quite a bit. But when I see Grant on the court with the same 4 players I see him play more as a big.
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Post#38 » by 165bows » Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:04 am

Wrong thread derp.

Anyways bring back Blake.

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