2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins

[SkyBill40]

...With that said. There literally is no balance in peoples opinions on here. Perfect example, Ayton haters say he can’t rebound yet he is a top 10 rebounder. It’s fine to criticize but put some substance behind it instead of pure uncut hate.

Yeah, no. He finished 12th in the regular season last year. In the post season, he was out rebounded by two small forwards, where he finished 12th again. Only if you look at him positionally does your point hold any merit and even then, it's weak.

There's the requested substance. Dude has the tools but doesn't utilize the talent.

[Frank Lee]

Man… some wonderfully logical hate being spewed. Hehe

Half this kid’s problem has been his poorly worded comments.

Now hes on record…. Again

Stay tuned sports fans

[Slim Charless]

That what 50% of this board does. 50% of posters here get their joy by personally attacking Ayton. So trust me, the word “can’t” isn’t stopping people from attacking the kid.

With that said. There literally is no balance in peoples opinions on here. Perfect example, Ayton haters say he can’t rebound yet he is a top 10 rebounder. It’s fine to criticize but put some substance behind it instead of pure uncut hate.

Nobody has ever said that.

But please continue with the nonsensical arguments aimed at reducing the logical/rational ones that have been presented in here.

The personally attacking me thing seems odd. Do people attack Ayton for what kind of human he is? I must've missed that.

Plainly false.

The amount the Ayton lie outright about him is funny. Now maybe you don't come along here enough to see it, but yes there plenty of posters who have attacked him on a personal level.

Jdiddy701 and Puff are the most obvious. There are many others. If you don't know that's fine, but don't pretend it hasn't happened. That's dumb and annoying for those of us that have seen it happen.

[Slim Charless]

I don’t wonder why anything with Monty. Dude is weirdo with a lover affair for Shamet. Monty didn’t improve a single player under his leadership. Every player got better away from him.

That's simply not true. You can hate on Monty but Booker is a significantly better player now than before. Bridges and both Cams got better. Ironically three of Aytons backups (McGee, Jock, Baynes) had career years under Monty.

Heck Ayton even with his frustrations is a better player than the completely f-ing lost on D guy he was before Monty took over.

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Ayton 100% got better under Monty as well. All I ever hear about is that historic 2021 playoff run that DA had but who was that under? And I would also say the season after the 2021 playoff run was easily his best regular season as well, also under Monty

*Chris Paul.

Not Monty. That'd be the reason. He's also the reason Booker improved and our record got better. Solely the reason imo.

Happy to help.

[lilfishi22]

Same thing could be said about Monty

[bigfoot]

Nobody has ever said that.

But please continue with the nonsensical arguments aimed at reducing the logical/rational ones that have been presented in here.

The personally attacking me thing seems odd. Do people attack Ayton for what kind of human he is? I must've missed that.

Plainly false.

The amount the Ayton lie outright about him is funny. Now maybe you don't come along here enough to see it, but yes there plenty of posters who have attacked him on a personal level.

Jdiddy701 and Puff are the most obvious. There are many others. If you don't know that's fine, but don't pretend it hasn't happened. That's dumb and annoying for those of us that have seen it happen.

I've been complaining about Kid Charmin since we drafted him. It was obvious that in college he was DominAyton only because he was so much taller and more athletic than most of his peers. In the NBA, he discovered he was a boy amongst men and continues to showcase his pre-pubescent ways after five seasons. Only this last season have the majority of posters joined in on Ayton commentary. As usual, the kid is saying all the right things; question is will he actually live his words.

[lilfishi22]

That's simply not true. You can hate on Monty but Booker is a significantly better player now than before. Bridges and both Cams got better. Ironically three of Aytons backups (McGee, Jock, Baynes) had career years under Monty.

Heck Ayton even with his frustrations is a better player than the completely f-ing lost on D guy he was before Monty took over.

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Ayton 100% got better under Monty as well. All I ever hear about is that historic 2021 playoff run that DA had but who was that under? And I would also say the season after the 2021 playoff run was easily his best regular season as well, also under Monty

*Chris Paul.

Not Monty. That'd be the reason. He's also the reason Booker improved and our record got better. Solely the reason imo.

Happy to help.

If you can pick and choose who you want to assign credit then so can anyone

[bigfoot]

Ayton averaging at least nine pts, 12 rbds, 2 blocks, and all-nba defense ... I'll be his most vocal supporter on the board.

[sunsbg]

Ayton became more efficient with CP3 obviously because his game was simplified to a finisher, but it didn't help developing those skills people complain the most about, his dribble game and shooting 3s, the later I often mention he started doing in the bubble and with CP3 next season it was gone. So yeah it depends from what angle you choose to watch it. People rarely change the angle and at this point all Ayton discussions are beating a dead horse.

[bigfoot]

Ayton became more efficient with CP3 obviously because his game was simplified to a finisher, but it didn't help developing those skills people complain the most about, his dribble game and shooting 3s, the later I often mention he started doing in the bubble and with CP3 next season it was gone. So yeah it depends from what angle you choose to watch it. People rarely change the angle and at this point all Ayton discussions are beating a dead horse.

Always about offense yet his biggest regression was on the defensive side. The "he could score 25 points in his sleep" crowd just doesn't understand its about his shizzy defense.

[sunsbg]

Ayton became more efficient with CP3 obviously because his game was simplified to a finisher, but it didn't help developing those skills people complain the most about, his dribble game and shooting 3s, the later I often mention he started doing in the bubble and with CP3 next season it was gone. So yeah it depends from what angle you choose to watch it. People rarely change the angle and at this point all Ayton discussions are beating a dead horse.

Always about offense yet his biggest regression was on the defensive side. The "he could score 25 points in his sleep" crowd just doesn't understand its about his shizzy defense.

Good you brought it up as we should attribute the regression at D on Monty. Turned out he couldn't handle different characters and made two players disgruntled to the point they didn't want to play for the team. One stayed home physically, the other one mentally.

[Bogyo]

Is there a function where I can turn off Ayton posts like ignore for posters? #askingforafriend

[Frank Lee]

Fact is this
You draw the line with DA right now
No more Monty to blame
No more CP to blame



Motor? I dont even know what that is.

[sunsbg]

Is there a function where I can turn off Ayton posts like ignore for posters? #askingforafriend

I can recommend one thread on GB to you.

[Mulhollanddrive]

Top 10 in DPOTY and he earns his max

He has just as many tools as Hibbert and Davis to be able to do it in a Vogel system

[Slim Charless]

Ayton 100% got better under Monty as well. All I ever hear about is that historic 2021 playoff run that DA had but who was that under? And I would also say the season after the 2021 playoff run was easily his best regular season as well, also under Monty

*Chris Paul.

Not Monty. That'd be the reason. He's also the reason Booker improved and our record got better. Solely the reason imo.

Happy to help.

If you can pick and choose who you want to assign credit then so can anyone

Facts are facts. I don't deal in opinions.

[sunsbum]

Ayton became more efficient with CP3 obviously because his game was simplified to a finisher, but it didn't help developing those skills people complain the most about, his dribble game and shooting 3s, the later I often mention he started doing in the bubble and with CP3 next season it was gone. So yeah it depends from what angle you choose to watch it. People rarely change the angle and at this point all Ayton discussions are beating a dead horse.

Always about offense yet his biggest regression was on the defensive side. The "he could score 25 points in his sleep" crowd just doesn't understand its about his shizzy defense.

And that boils down to his effort. I've said this a million times, I dont care about any other player in that draft class besides Ayton, I don't day dream about a luka/booker duo. I just want DA to play like he talks.

[lilfishi22]

*Chris Paul.

Not Monty. That'd be the reason. He's also the reason Booker improved and our record got better. Solely the reason imo.

Happy to help.

If you can pick and choose who you want to assign credit then so can anyone

Facts are facts. I don't deal in opinions.

You literally wrote "imo" on your post and which stands for in my opinion. What ISN'T an opinion is Booker's first season as an all-star in 2019-2020 was under Monty and before CP3.

Facts are facts. I don't deal in opinions

[sunsbum]

...With that said. There literally is no balance in peoples opinions on here. Perfect example, Ayton haters say he can’t rebound yet he is a top 10 rebounder. It’s fine to criticize but put some substance behind it instead of pure uncut hate.

Yeah, no. He finished 12th in the regular season last year. In the post season, he was out rebounded by two small forwards, where he finished 12th again. Only if you look at him positionally does your point hold any merit and even then, it's weak.

There's the requested substance. Dude has the tools but doesn't utilize the talent.

Right? I mean we all remember Jock getting subbed into the denver games and just going to work, pretty sure we were all collectively picking our jaws off the floor like "wtf, who is this guy...this is what we need" If you got that feeling watching the game, imagine what the dudes playing with him felt like. DA gotta figure it out. He'll never be an energy guy like that but man bring the effort and people will see it.

[SunsRback4Good]

...With that said. There literally is no balance in peoples opinions on here. Perfect example, Ayton haters say he can’t rebound yet he is a top 10 rebounder. It’s fine to criticize but put some substance behind it instead of pure uncut hate.

Yeah, no. He finished 12th in the regular season last year. In the post season, he was out rebounded by two small forwards, where he finished 12th again. Only if you look at him positionally does your point hold any merit and even then, it's weak.

There's the requested substance. Dude has the tools but doesn't utilize the talent.

Right? I mean we all remember Jock getting subbed into the denver games and just going to work, pretty sure we were all collectively picking our jaws off the floor like "wtf, who is this guy...this is what we need" If you got that feeling watching the game, imagine what the dudes playing with him felt like. DA gotta figure it out. He'll never be an energy guy like that but man bring the effort and people will see it.

If DA brings the effort, will you finally acknowledge him as the top 3 center in the NBA?