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Re: Around the League: 2022-23 Season 3.0 

Post#1941 » by mjkvol » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:26 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:I think the only additional tournament the NBA should create is to decide on the draft order. With the play-in excluding those fringe playoff teams, 10 teams in the East and in the West would compete to win the top slot in the NBA draft. Would end tanking, force the worst teams to make winning moves in free agency so they don't get slaughtered in the tournament, and it would keep fans engaged even if their team blows ass.

Either that or relegation, a la soccer. Turn G League teams into eligible NBA teams lol.

I think this year, the only team that was markedly better than the rest of the bottom 20 teams was the Mavericks and that's because they blatantly tanked their season.


I'd actually watch that. The mid-season idiocy is pure gimmick - I'd be embarrassed if the Sixers won that ridiculous thing.

The only possible issue with yours is the motivation of most players to compete for a higher pick - unless there is a nice cash award to go with the higher pick the team gets.


That's fair, but I think what players generally find out when they're on terrible teams is that the only way to become competitive in this league is to have stars on your team, which should serve as motivation.

That said, risking injury for a draft pick is kind of a hard pill to swallow. I would, however watch the **** out of that tourney. I'm already watching the SL and that's pretty bad basketball.


Oh, I agree it would be a lot of fun, but I could see agents trying to get their players not to play, and I just don't believe most players see the big picture the way you describe it and would think it through to that extent. I love the concept, though.
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Post#1942 » by Arsenal » Sat Jul 15, 2023 7:47 pm

Interesting idea. Maybe only the bottom 4 teams get into the tourney. The winner picks #1 and the runner-up picks #2. Determine the rest of the picks just as they are now.

Or instead of playing for the actual spots, play for lotto balls.
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Post#1943 » by 76ciology » Sun Jul 16, 2023 4:47 am

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Re: Around the League: 2022-23 Season 3.0 

Post#1944 » by GoSixersBro » Sun Jul 16, 2023 2:50 pm

Negrodamus wrote:I think the only additional tournament the NBA should create is to decide on the draft order. With the play-in excluding those fringe playoff teams, 10 teams in the East and in the West would compete to win the top slot in the NBA draft. Would end tanking, force the worst teams to make winning moves in free agency so they don't get slaughtered in the tournament, and it would keep fans engaged even if their team blows ass.

Either that or relegation, a la soccer. Turn G League teams into eligible NBA teams lol.

I think this year, the only team that was markedly better than the rest of the bottom 20 teams was the Mavericks and that's because they blatantly tanked their season.


This. I've always played in fantasy football and basketball leagues where teams who didn't qualify for the playoffs compete in a consolation bracket for next year's top pick. It's a great idea.
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Post#1945 » by the_process » Mon Jul 17, 2023 3:27 am

Bol Bol signs with Phoenix.
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Post#1946 » by Eyeamok » Mon Jul 17, 2023 4:21 am

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Negrodamus wrote:I think the only additional tournament the NBA should create is to decide on the draft order. With the play-in excluding those fringe playoff teams, 10 teams in the East and in the West would compete to win the top slot in the NBA draft. Would end tanking, force the worst teams to make winning moves in free agency so they don't get slaughtered in the tournament, and it would keep fans engaged even if their team blows ass.

Either that or relegation, a la soccer. Turn G League teams into eligible NBA teams lol.

I think this year, the only team that was markedly better than the rest of the bottom 20 teams was the Mavericks and that's because they blatantly tanked their season.


This. I've always played in fantasy football and basketball leagues where teams who didn't qualify for the playoffs compete in a consolation bracket for next year's top pick. It's a great idea.


Why would players play hard for the top pick? A pick that could potentially take your job or your teammates job. Or cause the team to make trades and cut players as they go in a totally new direction.
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Post#1947 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:09 am

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Negrodamus wrote:I think the only additional tournament the NBA should create is to decide on the draft order. With the play-in excluding those fringe playoff teams, 10 teams in the East and in the West would compete to win the top slot in the NBA draft. Would end tanking, force the worst teams to make winning moves in free agency so they don't get slaughtered in the tournament, and it would keep fans engaged even if their team blows ass.

Either that or relegation, a la soccer. Turn G League teams into eligible NBA teams lol.

I think this year, the only team that was markedly better than the rest of the bottom 20 teams was the Mavericks and that's because they blatantly tanked their season.


This. I've always played in fantasy football and basketball leagues where teams who didn't qualify for the playoffs compete in a consolation bracket for next year's top pick. It's a great idea.


Why would players play hard for the top pick? A pick that could potentially take your job or your teammates job. Or cause the team to make trades and cut players as they go in a totally new direction.


Good point, i honestly never thought of that
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Post#1948 » by 76ciology » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:10 am

the_process wrote:Bol Bol signs with Phoenix.


He’s the ultimate tank commander. He does not play winning basketball unless its one of those overtime elite type games in reg season
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Post#1949 » by LordCovington33 » Mon Jul 17, 2023 5:15 pm

Arsenal wrote:Interesting idea. Maybe only the bottom 4 teams get into the tourney. The winner picks #1 and the runner-up picks #2. Determine the rest of the picks just as they are now.

Or instead of playing for the actual spots, play for lotto balls.

Nah …
Tourny is in December, right? So the bottom 4 before that tournament (around later Nov) play?
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Post#1950 » by Kobblehead » Mon Jul 17, 2023 10:19 pm

We should have signed Bol instead of Bamba.
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Post#1951 » by SixthStreet » Tue Jul 18, 2023 2:22 am

I think the guys that sign the Bird right super max and then publicly declare a trade request should have the cash value of the contract dropped to a non-Bird right max after a trade has been completed, but the acquiring team keeps the old cap figure.

It's dumb that Lillard signs that contract and then demands a trade to one team. If he really wants it forfeit all that money. The point of those contracts would be small markets getting to keep their stars. It clearly is no advantage anymore.
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Post#1952 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 18, 2023 4:21 am

Kobblehead wrote:We should have signed Bol instead of Bamba.


Bol is the modern day version of Javale McGee. He thinks he is a SF, likes to pad his stats (like to jump on shooters) and is hard to control. He is OK on open court, which we rarely have with Embiid

On the other hand, Bamba can play within his role. There are some upside that we can unlock with him like his ability to defend 1-5 and rebounding (14 per 40) like whats said on his scouting report prior to draft

He has some foundational weakness like lack of polish on his offense and defensive motor, which can be masked with playing with another big and with less responsibility on offense (we wont ask him to create)
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Post#1953 » by blargh » Tue Jul 18, 2023 5:22 am

76ciology wrote:
Kobblehead wrote:We should have signed Bol instead of Bamba.


Bol is the modern day version of Javale McGee. He thinks he is a SF, likes to pad his stats (like to jump on shooters) and is hard to control. He is OK on open court, which we rarely have with Embiid

On the other hand, Bamba can play within his role. There are some upside that we can unlock with him like his ability to defend 1-5 and rebounding (14 per 40) like whats said on his scouting report prior to draft

He has some foundational weakness like lack of polish on his offense and defensive motor, which can be masked with playing with another big and with less responsibility on offense (we wont ask him to create)


We should have signed them both. They’re lottery tickets. Probably won’t amount to anything, but we need a little upside in our portfolio.
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Post#1954 » by 76ciology » Tue Jul 18, 2023 6:06 am

blargh wrote:
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Kobblehead wrote:We should have signed Bol instead of Bamba.


Bol is the modern day version of Javale McGee. He thinks he is a SF, likes to pad his stats (like to jump on shooters) and is hard to control. He is OK on open court, which we rarely have with Embiid

On the other hand, Bamba can play within his role. There are some upside that we can unlock with him like his ability to defend 1-5 and rebounding (14 per 40) like whats said on his scouting report prior to draft

He has some foundational weakness like lack of polish on his offense and defensive motor, which can be masked with playing with another big and with less responsibility on offense (we wont ask him to create)


We should have signed them both. They’re lottery tickets. Probably won’t amount to anything, but we need a little upside in our portfolio.


What you’re suggesting is way better than signing Petrusev and Tubelis so i can’t disagree.

I think there’s something wrong with Bol bol’s game for him to be passed around like that. Then I think there’s some upside we can scratch with Bamba for Embiid to recruit him. I also wont be surprised if Bamba becomes our “breakthrough” guy similar to JJ and Seth before.

For stash and upside, yeah I think you have good success rate with these prototype of bigs. Nets kind of figured it out with Jarrett Allen, Nic Claxton and Dayron Sharpe. Then you also can stash those scoring combo guards like Terq Smith.
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Post#1955 » by 76ciology » Wed Jul 19, 2023 6:11 pm

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Post#1956 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:55 am

17-55
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Already made a coaching change.

Any GM with a ton of lottery picks can assemble talent. Unless you can build a stable organization and win games, you're a bad GM. Stone has to be right about Udoka and he needs to start winning on the court.
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Post#1957 » by Negrodamus » Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:25 pm

He’s done a great job…. until the Dillon Brooks and FVV signing. Fred getting that much money is a fireable offense before he even plays a game.
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Post#1958 » by Kobblehead » Thu Jul 20, 2023 12:34 pm

If you were GM of Pistons/Rockets, what do you do with Cunningham/Green?

Do you try to trade them now or do you wait and see if they become good players in year 3?

In the era of obligation rookie max extensions of any player with a pulse, it might be shrewd to bail early if you think the player "ain't it."
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Post#1959 » by Monix » Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:50 pm

Kobblehead wrote:Any GM with a ton of lottery picks can assemble talent. Unless you can build a stable organization and win games, you're a bad GM.

agree 100%
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Post#1960 » by the_process » Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:32 pm

The media is all abuzz again with hopes Joel gets traded to the Knicks according to my news feed this morning.

The picks the Knicks have are trash. They do not have the assets to get him. Just reiterating in the hope that maybe it gets picked up by the aggregators. :lol:

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