Trade/Free Agency Thread, whose NINE is it anyways?? 2023-24

[GoGreen]

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Interesting conversation, ill say that, but I don't think I'd do it. I'm probably in the minority but I really have never been a huge fan of Embiid's game.

[captain green]

To give some perspective to the folks who are anti-Hauser or think we need to acquire a better 8th man:



-If you think some other guy is the 8th man for a team instead of the guy I put, that's not really the point of this. It's just to give a rough idea of how Hauser stacks up compared to the other 8th men out there. Let's not over-analyze it. If you think some other guy is the 8th man for a team besides the guy I put, chances are they aren't much better than the guy I listed so saying that is pointless.

-IMO, there is not a single player on this list who I would say will clearly, no question about it be a better player than Hauser this season. I feel like pretty much all of these guys are in the same ballpark, give or take. Except maybe Peyton Watson - Denver really needs him to take a leap this season (or hope that someone else steps up as an 8th man). But more likely, I think denver will add another player before the season starts, cause at the moment their bench is pretty weak.

-I'm pretty sure that if I added TS%, Net Rating, BPM and some other advanced stats to this, Hauser would look even better compared to these other guys.

-Also keep in mind Hauser is still just 25, still getting better. Only 2 years in the NBA so far..and only 1 season where he got rotation minutes. He made a big leap in year 2 last season (especially defensively), and he's likely to make another leap this season in year 3

Well for starters that list is flawed I checked just the Denver list it's not Peyton Watson it's Jeff green 8th mpg avg 7.8ppg also your grizzlies was wrong too it's not konchar it's t Jones 8th mpg avg 10.3ppg which leads me to believe this list is bunk but I'd rather have everyone on that list except the two that shouldn't be in the list. I stop checking after that false list came up two names ( probably more) also it's not playoffs list either so this list busted

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To give some perspective to the folks who are anti-Hauser or think we need to acquire a better 8th man:



-If you think some other guy is the 8th man for a team instead of the guy I put, that's not really the point of this. It's just to give a rough idea of how Hauser stacks up compared to the other 8th men out there. Let's not over-analyze it. If you think some other guy is the 8th man for a team besides the guy I put, chances are they aren't much better than the guy I listed so saying that is pointless.

-IMO, there is not a single player on this list who I would say will clearly, no question about it be a better player than Hauser this season. I feel like pretty much all of these guys are in the same ballpark, give or take. Except maybe Peyton Watson - Denver really needs him to take a leap this season (or hope that someone else steps up as an 8th man). But more likely, I think denver will add another player before the season starts, cause at the moment their bench is pretty weak.

-I'm pretty sure that if I added TS%, Net Rating, BPM and some other advanced stats to this, Hauser would look even better compared to these other guys.

-Also keep in mind Hauser is still just 25, still getting better. Only 2 years in the NBA so far..and only 1 season where he got rotation minutes. He made a big leap in year 2 last season (especially defensively), and he's likely to make another leap this season in year 3

Well for starters that list is flawed I checked just the Denver list it's not Peyton Watson it's Jeff green 8th mpg avg 7.8ppg also your grizzlies was wrong too it's not konchar it's t Jones 8th mpg avg 10.3ppg which leads me to believe this list is bunk but I'd rather have everyone on that list except the two that shouldn't be in the list. I stop checking after that false list came up two names ( probably more) also it's not playoffs list either so this list busted

Jeff Green is no longer on the nuggets and tyus jones is no longer on the grizzlies.

I didn't base this off last year's stats. It's based on who I'm (roughly) projecting each team's 8th man to be this upcoming season.

[Kalela]

What is Goodman's obsession with hating Jaylen Brown? I don't think it is even about basketball. Brown must have snubbed him at some point during his time in Boston.

[Curmudgeon]

8th man? I'll take Grant Williams thank you.

You can't - he's no longer on the Celtics.

Yes, but he was the 8th man and he's way, way better than Hauser.

[jfs1000d]

What is Goodman's obsession with hating Jaylen Brown? I don't think it is even about basketball. Brown must have snubbed him at some point during his time in Boston.

Goodman disliked brown since California. He said brown was a bust potential because he played bully ball.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Am not a fan of Embiid's constant whining, but Embiid for Jaylen is a big upgrade in talent. Also. Embiid's just 29 and much better than Lillard and seems to have more desire to win than Lillard.

[CelticFaninLBC]

What is Goodman's obsession with hating Jaylen Brown? I don't think it is even about basketball. Brown must have snubbed him at some point during his time in Boston.

Goodman disliked brown since California. He said brown was a bust potential because he played bully ball.

Is Cave or BK, Goodman?

[zoyathedestroya]

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[GoCeltics123]

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Makes sense. No point in dumping him for nothing

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Hmm Celtics RealGM board moves on from fake trading Malcolm Brogdon in the morning.

That very afternoon, puff piece is released stating his value and that he’s in all likelihood staying put.

Suspicious.

Very suspicious.

[CelticFaninLBC]

Did we see Windhorst says both Stevens and Mazzulla want to emphasize high volume three point shooting offense?

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/10083102-celtics-rumors-hc-mazzulla-was-never-in-trouble-for-heat-loss-amid-hot-seat-buzz.amp.html

Would not surprise me to see Rob Williams get dealt and they replace him with a big who can shoot 3's.

If the Celtics are taking 50+ percent of their shots from 3, I'm not watching.

We were at 48% and y'all watched. What's another 2 percent gonna change.

They're very difficult to watch currently. Unless you have a few elite shooters, relying this heavily on 3's in the playoffs seems like a bad strategy.

Also, could care less what the analytics say. Playoffs is different than regular season.

[darrendaye]

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That's what I said!

[Green89]

8th man? I'll take Grant Williams thank you.

You can't - he's no longer on the Celtics.

Yes, but he was the 8th man and he's way, way better than Hauser.

I'll give you way, but definitely not way, way.

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8th man? I'll take Grant Williams thank you.

You can't - he's no longer on the Celtics.

Yes, but he was the 8th man and he's way, way better than Hauser.

Pretty much every advanced stat says otherwise.

Also, Hauser was often times getting minutes over Grant last season. Grant also often times tried to do too much off the dribble, like at the end of the Bucks game where he pumped faked on a 3, tried to drive on Giannis, failed miserably, turning it over and losing us the game - and the 1 seed.

Or how how about when he lost us the game vs cleveland, by missing 2 FT's, after telling Mitchell "I'ma make em both" ?

Or how about when he got beat off the dribble in the ECF by duncan robinson? Probably the first and only time ever in his NBA career that robinson blew by a defender. Meanwhile, Hauser was locking up Trae Young in the playoffs:

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Lastly, Grant Williams is irrelevant to the discussion we were having. We weren't discussing Hauser vs Grant Williams. We were discussing whether Hauser is an adequate 8th man. To add to the discussion, I posted a chart that showed the projected 8th man for a bunch of other teams in the league. I made the point that you could argue Hauser is just as good as any other guy on that list (especially in terms of the way he fits with this celtics team, the role we need him to play and how well he fits that role). Grant Williams is probably gonna start for Dallas - he is not the mavericks 8th man, so he's not relevant to that particular discussion.

[GoCeltics123]

I was for trading Brogdon but if 1. the offers for him stink and 2. he's healthy and not too upset about still being here after the almost-trade, I'm ok keeping him. He's still very good and he'll be a big expiring next year.

[Andrew McCeltic]

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Front office told Marcus they were good a week before they traded him

[zoyathedestroya]

Dunno why we’re arguing who between Grant and Hauser is better. When the 8th best player on your roster is Jaylen Brown, you’re in good shape.

[CelticFaninLBC]

You can't - he's no longer on the Celtics.

Yes, but he was the 8th man and he's way, way better than Hauser.

Pretty much every advanced stat says otherwise.

Also, Hauser was often times getting minutes over Grant last season. Grant also often times tried to do too much off the dribble, like at the end of the Bucks game where he pumped faked on a 3, tried to drive on Giannis, failed miserably, turning it over and losing us the game - and the 1 seed.

Or how how about when he lost us the game vs cleveland, by missing 2 FT's, after telling Mitchell "I'ma make em both" ?

Or how about when he got beat off the dribble in the ECF by duncan robinson? Probably the first and only time ever in his NBA career that robinson blew by a defender. Meanwhile, Hauser was locking up Trae Young in the playoffs:

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Lastly, Grant Williams is irrelevant to the discussion we were having. We weren't discussing Hauser vs Grant Williams. We were discussing whether Hauser is an adequate 8th man. To add to the discussion, I posted a chart that showed the projected 8th man for a bunch of other teams in the league. I made the point that you could argue Hauser is just as good as any other guy on that list (especially in terms of the way he fits with this celtics team, the role we need him to play and how well he fits that role). Grant Williams is probably gonna start for Dallas - he is not the mavericks 8th man, so he's not relevant to that particular discussion.

Grant >>> Hauser in the playoffs, which is all that matters most.

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Yes, but he was the 8th man and he's way, way better than Hauser.

Pretty much every advanced stat says otherwise.

Also, Hauser was often times getting minutes over Grant last season. Grant also often times tried to do too much off the dribble, like at the end of the Bucks game where he pumped faked on a 3, tried to drive on Giannis, failed miserably, turning it over and losing us the game - and the 1 seed.

Or how how about when he lost us the game vs cleveland, by missing 2 FT's, after telling Mitchell "I'ma make em both" ?

Or how about when he got beat off the dribble in the ECF by duncan robinson? Probably the first and only time ever in his NBA career that robinson blew by a defender. Meanwhile, Hauser was locking up Trae Young in the playoffs:

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Lastly, Grant Williams is irrelevant to the discussion we were having. We weren't discussing Hauser vs Grant Williams. We were discussing whether Hauser is an adequate 8th man. To add to the discussion, I posted a chart that showed the projected 8th man for a bunch of other teams in the league. I made the point that you could argue Hauser is just as good as any other guy on that list (especially in terms of the way he fits with this celtics team, the role we need him to play and how well he fits that role). Grant Williams is probably gonna start for Dallas - he is not the mavericks 8th man, so he's not relevant to that particular discussion.

Grant >>> Hauser in the playoffs, which is all that matters most.

As i just pointed out in my post, in the playoffs Grant was getting beat off the dribble by Duncan Robinson (it was probably the first and only time Robinson ever blew by a defender like that in his NBA career)..Meanwhile, in the playoffs Hauser was locking up Trae Young and any other Hawks player who tried to take him off the dribble.

In the playoffs, Hauser's net rating was +13.1. Grant's was -4.

$13 mil a year (what Dallas is giving Grant) is also too much for an 8th man. I'd rather keep paying Hauser less than $2 mil a year.

And again, Grant Williams is irrelevant to the discussion we were having. We weren't discussing Hauser vs Grant Williams. We were discussing whether Hauser is an adequate 8th man. To add to the discussion, I posted a chart that showed the projected 8th man for a bunch of other teams in the league. I made the point that you could argue Hauser is just as good as any other guy on that list (especially in terms of the way he fits with this celtics team, the role we need him to play and how well he fits that role). Grant Williams is probably gonna start for Dallas - he is not the mavericks 8th man, so he's not relevant to that particular discussion.