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lilfishi22 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:If you can pick and choose who you want to assign credit then so can anyone
Facts are facts. I don't deal in opinions.
You literally wrote "imo" on your post and which stands for in my opinion. What ISN'T an opinion is Booker's first season as an all-star in 2019-2020 was under Monty and before CP3.
Facts are facts. I don't deal in opinions
The Oklahoma City Thunder have waived Rudy Gay.
The Thunder acquired Gay via the Atlanta Hawks, who previously traded for him as part of the John Collins trade with the Utah Jazz.
Gay appeared in 56 games last season, averaging 5.2 points and 2.0 rebounds in 14.6 minutes with the Jazz.
Slim Charless wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:
Facts are facts. I don't deal in opinions.
You literally wrote "imo" on your post and which stands for in my opinion. What ISN'T an opinion is Booker's first season as an all-star in 2019-2020 was under Monty and before CP3.
Facts are facts. I don't deal in opinions
Supposed to be green. Apologies. That being said I'm still right lol. Monty is a fool
WeekapaugGroove wrote:Ayton is criticized because he was the SUNS only EVER number one pick and is on a max contract extension yet objectively hasn't lived up to either thing.
Frank Lee wrote:Fact is this
You draw the line with DA right now
No more Monty to blame
No more CP to blame
Motor? I dont even know what that is.
garrick wrote:The Oklahoma City Thunder have waived Rudy Gay.
The Thunder acquired Gay via the Atlanta Hawks, who previously traded for him as part of the John Collins trade with the Utah Jazz.
Gay appeared in 56 games last season, averaging 5.2 points and 2.0 rebounds in 14.6 minutes with the Jazz.
Always loved Rudy Gay, to be honest I would rather have Gay play limited minutes than Bol Bol who I would not dare trust with any meaningful playing time.
bwoolf2 wrote:TOO wrote:bwoolf2 wrote:
Mcgee has been played out of the league and it remains to see what Jock will do he played decent but when he had to start he got played off the court pretty quickly
Everybody loves the backup until he isn't the backup
Right, but the point was under Monty they played as well or better than they ever have. -- Ahh...gotta love revisionist history.
Jock was a rookie that never played before and McGee had some pretty damn good years for the Warriors and Lakers
Just looked at Mcgee career stats and for minutes played it was an avg year for him had some better years Lakers, Denver...
enigmatics wrote:Frank Lee wrote:Fact is this
You draw the line with DA right now
No more Monty to blame
No more CP to blame
Motor? I dont even know what that is.
Frank - you know damn well there will always be a contingent of blame. That's the nature of this kind of player who's a unicorn physically (formerly drafted #1), but a potato bug mentally. It's always going to be about what other individuals did or did not do to "unlock him" than what Ayton did to reach max potential.
We're now six years into this thing and in that video yesterday he still sounded like a rudderless rookie who's unsure of himself. He gave some generalized platitude about working this summer in the lab to overcome, but what does that mean? It was more about how everyone hates him and he doesn't know why. Aside from a few histrionic mentally unwell people - I don't think even the biggest detractors truly hate him on a personal level. What they hate is watching physical freaks like him waste talent and dogging it in important moments of the Suns franchise.
Not once in that video did we hear him go, "well I've heard the concerns about my effort/consistency and I want to let Suns fans know I've got to come out this year showing it every single night. It's not about scoring points, it's about winning titles." I mean could he at least acknowledge something like that? He'd be doing himself tremendous favors.
On that note, does he not have a management team to coach him on giving interviews like that? I get a sense he doesn't.
Iceman36 wrote:Man, what a ride the last 6 months!
After the Durant trade, I felt a great depression after loosing Mikal and Cam, my two favorite players. After that I was really pissed on Ishbia for doing that and had no fun watching Suns games anymore. It was hard to look, even in the playoffs because we had absolutely no depth left.
Than came the free agency and shortly before the trade for Beal. If you told me last Christmas, we are gonna get Bradley Beal for this team as a gift for nearly free (for dumping CP3 with a newly guaranteed year instead of waiving him for nothing!!!!), I would have called you insane! Free agency afterwards was an masterpiece in building a well rounded team together. Rolling out, with only Book and DA left, a team of Durant, Beal, Gordon, Watanabe, Bates Diop and high class youngsters on minimum deals, getting a G-League team back, installing a great championship proven coach and hight class assistant coach staff AND have an owner who cares is way beyond, what I expected with after Sarver was forced to sell the team. Mat did a fantastic job in just 6 months. Period!
My fire is back, burning more than ever, and I can´t wait the season to start.
Let´s go guys and get us finally that damn chip!
On @AZSports, James Jones reacts to Deandre Ayton's interview in The Bahamas:
"I do know he's been in the gym relentlessly this summer, working on all those things he talked about. He's like all the rest of us. We have a chip on our shoulders."
"We felt like last year we had an opportunity that we didn't capitalize on. ... He understands what's in front of us and I think that's him maturing and understanding that in order for us to be an elite team, he has to take another step forward."
Top 3? No. He's not even top 5 if he goes hard all the time. He's have to move into the DPoY conversation to be considered top 3 and he doesn't have that in him.SunsRback4Good wrote:sunsbum wrote:SkyBill40 wrote:
Yeah, no. He finished 12th in the regular season last year. In the post season, he was out rebounded by two small forwards, where he finished 12th again. Only if you look at him positionally does your point hold any merit and even then, it's weak.
There's the requested substance. Dude has the tools but doesn't utilize the talent.
Right? I mean we all remember Jock getting subbed into the denver games and just going to work, pretty sure we were all collectively picking our jaws off the floor like "wtf, who is this guy...this is what we need" If you got that feeling watching the game, imagine what the dudes playing with him felt like. DA gotta figure it out. He'll never be an energy guy like that but man bring the effort and people will see it.
If DA brings the effort, will you finally acknowledge him as the top 3 center in the NBA?
SweaterBae wrote:It's the perfect trade when nobody is happy.
suns12345 wrote:Iceman36 wrote:Man, what a ride the last 6 months!
After the Durant trade, I felt a great depression after loosing Mikal and Cam, my two favorite players. After that I was really pissed on Ishbia for doing that and had no fun watching Suns games anymore. It was hard to look, even in the playoffs because we had absolutely no depth left.
Than came the free agency and shortly before the trade for Beal. If you told me last Christmas, we are gonna get Bradley Beal for this team as a gift for nearly free (for dumping CP3 with a newly guaranteed year instead of waiving him for nothing!!!!), I would have called you insane! Free agency afterwards was an masterpiece in building a well rounded team together. Rolling out, with only Book and DA left, a team of Durant, Beal, Gordon, Watanabe, Bates Diop and high class youngsters on minimum deals, getting a G-League team back, installing a great championship proven coach and hight class assistant coach staff AND have an owner who cares is way beyond, what I expected with after Sarver was forced to sell the team. Mat did a fantastic job in just 6 months. Period!
My fire is back, burning more than ever, and I can´t wait the season to start.
Let´s go guys and get us finally that damn chip!
Yep agree. I was probably gonna ditch my league pass this year and not watch every game since I was a bit fed up with the CP3/Monty style team. Felt like we were going nowhere fast.
But my interest has been stirred up again
lilfishi22 wrote:Slim Charless wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:You literally wrote "imo" on your post and which stands for in my opinion. What ISN'T an opinion is Booker's first season as an all-star in 2019-2020 was under Monty and before CP3.
Facts are facts. I don't deal in opinions
Supposed to be green. Apologies. That being said I'm still right lol. Monty is a fool
Ya still not though
sunskerr wrote:Yeah if you are a fan of basketball there is nothing more boring than a team with no depth and a bunch of old dudes like we had last year.
I absolutely hate it when teams give up the farm for stars. Kept an open mind last year about the KD trade and assumed we'd be following up in the off-season, but it was pretty brutal. We are pretty lucky the off-season went so well.
One trade I remember actually hating was the Melo to Knicks trade. That Knicks team was pretty fun with Chandler, Felton, and Gallinari all hooping. And surprise surprise the Nuggets rebounded with a super cool team pairing those guys with Lawson, McGee, Iggy, etc.. whilst the Knicks had a rapidly declining Amare and zero other players. They had no future even though they made a conference finals and were no fun to watch.