**The Official Karl-Anthony Towns Thread: Part Two**

[m2002brian]

Watch on YouTube

Everything here plus he’s bigger and slower now than he was then.

As a bonus, the video has stats. Yay!

[KGdaBom]

The thinking behind why a Towns-Gobert partnership may work is because Towns has an offensive game similar to that of a PF. However, as Finch stated, you are who you can guard. Towns is by no means a good defender. With that said, he is better guarding an opposing team's center than PF. Who here is arguing that?

I think there's a belief is that the center is the central focus of a defensive concept, and things get built out from there. And with the frontcourt also having both Gobert and McDaniels, they can cover up a little slippage from Towns (especially once Conley replaced Russell).

We are going to be a very good basketball team this year.

[TimberKat]

Everything here plus he’s bigger and slower now than he was then.

As a bonus, the video has stats. Yay!

I watched the first 1min of the video and it already supported he should be use as pfd. He was guarding Aldridge, then talks about he got exploited by bigger centers. As players get older they tends to move to bigger positions. So, at some point Towns will be a center but not at 27. I really see him as Aldridge playing with Gobert.

Will watch more later.

[minimus]

Towns problems at PF position are related to whole dynamic in NBA, where in last years starting PF role changed dramatically. Guys like Aaron Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Jayson Tatum, LeBron James, Giannis, Wiggins play as PF. All of them are able to defend Towns on perimeter and in post. I don't see Towns having a clear advantage over them.

[TimberKat]

Towns problems at PF position are related to whole dynamic in NBA, where in last years starting PF role changed dramatically. Guys like Aaron Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Jayson Tatum, LeBron James, Giannis, Wiggins play as PF. All of them are able to defend Towns on perimeter and in post. I don't see Towns having a clear advantage over them.

Towns can't post up Gordon, Butler, Tatum, Wiggins?

[TimberKat]

Adam Taylor article on yardbarker.com on Towns to NYK below. It is way higher evaluation than some Wolves fans. If he can help NYK win, why can't he help Wolves?

According to league sources who have talked business with them, the Wolves have set a sky-high price on Towns, too," Katz wrote. "And according to another league source, in spite of what the constant speculation may tell you, the Knicks have not expressed any interest in trading for Towns.

Towns is an elite big man. During his eight-year tenure in the NBA, Towns is a 39.5 percent shooter from three-point range, making him one of the better floor-spacing centers in the league. Despite a slight dip in rebounding since the Timberwolves acquired Rudy Gobert from the Utah Jazz, Towns is also averaging 11.2 rebounds per game

New York should be willing to pay a premium for one of the best big men in the NBA.

He might not be the genuine superstar the Knicks front office is holding out for, but Towns is the type of player that would catapult New York into a peripheral contender.

[Slim Tubby]

Adam Taylor article on yardbarker.com on Towns to NYK below. It is way higher evaluation than some Wolves fans. If he can help NYK win, why can't he help Wolves?

According to league sources who have talked business with them, the Wolves have set a sky-high price on Towns, too," Katz wrote. "And according to another league source, in spite of what the constant speculation may tell you, the Knicks have not expressed any interest in trading for Towns.

Towns is an elite big man. During his eight-year tenure in the NBA, Towns is a 39.5 percent shooter from three-point range, making him one of the better floor-spacing centers in the league. Despite a slight dip in rebounding since the Timberwolves acquired Rudy Gobert from the Utah Jazz, Towns is also averaging 11.2 rebounds per game

New York should be willing to pay a premium for one of the best big men in the NBA.

He might not be the genuine superstar the Knicks front office is holding out for, but Towns is the type of player that would catapult New York into a peripheral contender.

My best guess is the NYK feel very confident about landing Mitchell via trade next year or FA the following season. It's well known he wants to be there. With the new cap rules, they might want to be very careful with their spending. Just a thought.

[Colbinii]

Towns problems at PF position are related to whole dynamic in NBA, where in last years starting PF role changed dramatically. Guys like Aaron Gordon, Jimmy Butler, Jayson Tatum, LeBron James, Giannis, Wiggins play as PF. All of them are able to defend Towns on perimeter and in post. I don't see Towns having a clear advantage over them.

This isn't a last year thing. It has been happening for 5 years now.

[frankenwolf]

Reading through this today, I have come to the conclusion that Karl Anthony Towns should not be in the NBA. He can't guard centers because he doesn't have enough bulk. He can't guard power forwards because he's not fleet of foot enough. He obviously can't guard anyone smaller because of the same reason he can't guard PF. Therefore, he has no position and should not be playing.

There, does that sum up everyone's idea on his defense??

I remember John Wooden saying, after being asked how they were going to stop someone, that "they would have to stop us first" or something similar to that. Who cares if the Timberwolves defense gives up 120 points a night if they are scoring 145? I understand that defense is half the game, but offense is the other half and it seems like very few people take this into consideration when talking about KAT and how he can't help this team. Yes he might not be A1 from day 1, but he is a damn fine NBA player. Throw your best players on the floor and figure out how to use their advantage to win games. Let the other teams try to figure out how to stop them.

[thinktank]

Reading through this today, I have come to the conclusion that Karl Anthony Towns should not be in the NBA. He can't guard centers because he doesn't have enough bulk. He can't guard power forwards because he's not fleet of foot enough. He obviously can't guard anyone smaller because of the same reason he can't guard PF. Therefore, he has no position and should not be playing.

There, does that sum up everyone's idea on his defense??

I remember John Wooden saying, after being asked how they were going to stop someone, that "they would have to stop us first" or something similar to that. Who cares if the Timberwolves defense gives up 120 points a night if they are scoring 145? I understand that defense is half the game, but offense is the other half and it seems like very few people take this into consideration when talking about KAT and how he can't help this team. Yes he might not be A1 from day 1, but he is a damn fine NBA player. Throw your best players on the floor and figure out how to use their advantage to win games. Let the other teams try to figure out how to stop them.

It shouldn’t be controversial to say that Towns isn’t a good defender. He’s neutral at best. You’re right that he scores a ton and he’s been a positive player—in the regular season…

[shrink]

It shouldn’t be controversial to say that Towns isn’t a good defender. He’s neutral at best. You’re right that he scores a ton and he’s been a positive player—in the regular season…

He’s averaged 11.4 RB, 18.6 PPG in the playoffs, but I know double-doubles don’t fit the constant “sucks in the playoff” narrative.

[thinktank]

It shouldn’t be controversial to say that Towns isn’t a good defender. He’s neutral at best. You’re right that he scores a ton and he’s been a positive player—in the regular season…

He’s averaged 11.4 RB, 18.6 PPG in the playoffs, but I know the facts don’t fit the constant “he sucks in the playoff” narrative.

Where did I say he sucks? Jesus Christ, man.

Are those numbers good enough for you?

Those don’t look like 50M / year numbers to me!

[shrink]

It shouldn’t be controversial to say that Towns isn’t a good defender. He’s neutral at best. You’re right that he scores a ton and he’s been a positive player—in the regular season…

He’s averaged 11.4 RB, 18.6 PPG in the playoffs, but I know the facts don’t fit the constant “he sucks in the playoff” narrative.

Where did I say he sucks? Jesus Christ, man.

Are those numbers good enough for you?

Those don’t look like 50M / year numbers to me!

You deliberately specified “he’s been a positive player — in the regular season.”

He’s obviously been a positive player in the playoff too.

[thinktank]

He’s averaged 11.4 RB, 18.6 PPG in the playoffs, but I know the facts don’t fit the constant “he sucks in the playoff” narrative.

Where did I say he sucks? Jesus Christ, man.

Are those numbers good enough for you?

Those don’t look like 50M / year numbers to me!

You deliberately specified “he’s been a positive player — in the regular season.”

He’s obviously been a positive player in the playoff too.

Not for what he’s being paid and asked to do. Not in my opinion. Your #2 guy needs to put up more than 11 and 18 in the playoffs. I’m sorry. 11 and 18 is average at best production from your #2 and it’s below average production from a 50M a year guy. Why is that tough to swallow for people? Be real.

[shrink]

It shouldn’t be controversial to say that Towns isn’t a good defender. He’s neutral at best. You’re right that he scores a ton and he’s been a positive player—in the regular season…

He’s averaged 11.4 RB, 18.6 PPG in the playoffs, but I know the facts don’t fit the constant “he sucks in the playoff” narrative.

Where did I say he sucks? Jesus Christ, man.

Are those numbers good enough for you?

Those don’t look like 50M / year numbers to me!

And what a crappy response! Your emotions force you to post these untrue things.

You define “positive player,” then say “not good enough,”and switch to a salary he’s yet to make in any of those playoff games.

Thinktank. You’re a positive poster .. in regular, non-emotional, honest boards.

[thinktank]

He’s averaged 11.4 RB, 18.6 PPG in the playoffs, but I know the facts don’t fit the constant “he sucks in the playoff” narrative.

Where did I say he sucks? Jesus Christ, man.

Are those numbers good enough for you?

Those don’t look like 50M / year numbers to me!

And what a crappy response! Your emotions force you to post these untrue things.

You define “positive player,” then say “not good enough,”and switch to a salary he’s yet to make in any of those playoff games.

Thinktank. You’re a positive poster .. in non-emotional, honest boards.

I said he’s good in the regular season, a positive player, but not good enough in the playoffs. 11 and 18 from a player of his salary is average in the playoffs. It’s not moving the needle enough. And we haven’t won a series with him and he’s a big reason why.

[shrink]

Where did I say he sucks? Jesus Christ, man.

Are those numbers good enough for you?

Those don’t look like 50M / year numbers to me!

You deliberately specified “he’s been a positive player — in the regular season.”

He’s obviously been a positive player in the playoff too.

Not for what he’s being paid and asked to do. Not in my opinion. Your #2 guy needs to put up more than 11 and 18 in the playoffs. I’m sorry. 11 and 18 is average at best production from your #2 and it’s below average production from a 50M a year guy. Why is that tough to swallow for people? Be real.

So when you say “positive,” you don’t mean “positive.” Double-doubles aren’t positive.

Got it.

[thinktank]

You deliberately specified “he’s been a positive player — in the regular season.”

He’s obviously been a positive player in the playoff too.

Not for what he’s being paid and asked to do. Not in my opinion. Your #2 guy needs to put up more than 11 and 18 in the playoffs. I’m sorry. 11 and 18 is average at best production from your #2 and it’s below average production from a 50M a year guy. Why is that tough to swallow for people? Be real.

So when you say “positive,” you don’t mean “positive.” Double-doubles aren’t positive.

Got it.

You win. Karl is a positive player in the playoffs. What a great investment he’s been! So many playoff victories led by our highest paid man!

[shrink]

Not for what he’s being paid and asked to do. Not in my opinion. Your #2 guy needs to put up more than 11 and 18 in the playoffs. I’m sorry. 11 and 18 is average at best production from your #2 and it’s below average production from a 50M a year guy. Why is that tough to swallow for people? Be real.

So when you say “positive,” you don’t mean “positive.” Double-doubles aren’t positive.

Got it.

You win. Karl is a positive player in the playoffs. What a great investment he’s been! So many playoff victories led by our highest paid man!

Thanks for admitting it. I appreciate your effort to acknowledge the truth is the truth, even if you emotionally feel the need to try to slip and slide away from your own words. (Price, $50 mil, lol).

“I wanted more from a player making $6, $31 and $34,” is a different discussion, and not what you initially said.

I hope in future posts you will turn over a new leaf and try to watch your own words, like positive, and try to use them more honestly, and by their true definition.

Playoff double-doubles are obviously positive. Even if they come from a player you dislike.

[thinktank]

So when you say “positive,” you don’t mean “positive.” Double-doubles aren’t positive.

Got it.

You win. Karl is a positive player in the playoffs. What a great investment he’s been! So many playoff victories led by our highest paid man!

Thanks for admitting it. I appreciate your effort to acknowledge the truth is the truth, even if you emotionally feel the need to try to slip and slide away from your own words. (Price, $50 mil, lol).

“I wanted more from a player making $6, $31 and $34,” is a different discussion, and not what you initially said.

I hope in future posts you will turn over a new leaf and try to watch your own words, like positive, and try to use them more honestly, and by their true definition.

Playoff double-doubles are obviously positive. Even if they come from a player you dislike.

You’re caught up in semantics and missing the forest for the trees.

I will absolutely stick to my guns that, ALL THINGS CONSIDERED (includes salary, my friend), Karl HAS NOT contributed positively in the playoffs. Not 11 and 18 for 50M per year.

You like that? You’re happy with his playoff output? You’d call it a POSITIVE?

For a guy putting up 11 and 18 in the playoffs, what would you like to pay for that?

25M? 35M?

Certainly not 50M!

If you have a player putting up 11 and 18 on 50M per in the playoffs you are looking at that NEGATIVELY and you are desperately looking to REALLOCATE RESOURCES.

If Karl does that again he is GONE because that is NEGATIVE.