Position Battles: SG

[RichCollab]

Suggs draft position means zilch. Be disappointed but we need to figure out what he will be for our team.

[pepe1991]

To me bottom line is simple: i don't need my 5th overall investment to be pesky bench SG, in times i have no starting level PG, nor any sort of reliable backup PF , and especially not backup C, who are all way more needed than defensive bench guard. ( btw ,who's role can easly be replaced with Black anyway)

I wouldn't get too caught up in Suggs' draft position. That just feels far less important than what he can still possibly become.

"Pesky bench SG" is what Suggs already is right now if he literally doesn't improve any part of his game at all at any point for the rest of his career.

He can give 20 good minutes a night right now because already did it (21.6 MPG and a +0.6 NET from Jan 5th onward).

If he keeps improving, he can and will be afforded the opportunity to do more and more.

Because it's important. That's your investing value. If you place $1000 bet and win $60 your mindet can't be "wohohoo i just won $60".

I would rather cut loses, swallow some pride and ship him today, where he has some draft mistique , than keep him as his value continues to drop.

We don't *need* bench SG. We can easly flip him and Black and by doing some open some PT for Black and Jett.


And i'm not one of those people who is obsessed with 5 stars starting 5 to win championship, but Magic, in order to even chase playoffs 99,998% will need actually talented backup PF; actually playable for longer streaches C who can replace forever injuried for half of a season Wendell . And ofc, long term ,starting level PG and SG.

And since we all know, just don't want to admit it yet, Fultz is here to stay, in that case our starting SG needs to be elite shooter if we will ever want to pass first round of playoffs. Suggs simply isn't that guy. Suggs doesn't solve any of our issues.

We are 14-14 team with him, We are 21-31 team without. He does apsolutley nothing to us in terms of winning, We actually play much better, at least our record is way better without him. Coincidence? Maybe. But pair "condicence" with terrible net rating as starter, mediocre net rating overall, him being better as bench player ( again ,net rating vise) you get lot of data that suggests he isn't as good as you think . Especially when all that is packed in rather very mediocre 10-3-3 / 53% TS & hardly even positive turnover to assist rate and 32,7% for 3.

Suggs evaluation to some of you goes literally like this

[Residual-Heat]

To me bottom line is simple: i don't need my 5th overall investment to be pesky bench SG, in times i have no starting level PG, nor any sort of reliable backup PF , and especially not backup C, who are all way more needed than defensive bench guard. ( btw ,who's role can easly be replaced with Black anyway)

I wouldn't get too caught up in Suggs' draft position. That just feels far less important than what he can still possibly become.

"Pesky bench SG" is what Suggs already is right now if he literally doesn't improve any part of his game at all at any point for the rest of his career.

He can give 20 good minutes a night right now because already did it (21.6 MPG and a +0.6 NET from Jan 5th onward).

If he keeps improving, he can and will be afforded the opportunity to do more and more.

Because it's important. That's your investing value. If you place $1000 bet and win $60 your mindet can't be "wohohoo i just won $60".

I would rather cut loses, swallow some pride and ship him today, where he has some draft mistique , than keep him as his value continues to drop.

We don't *need* bench SG. We can easly flip him and Black and by doing some open some PT for Black and Jett.


And i'm not one of those people who is obsessed with 5 stars starting 5 to win championship, but Magic, in order to even chase playoffs 99,998% will need actually talented backup PF; actually playable for longer streaches C who can replace forever injuried for half of a season Wendell . And ofc, long term ,starting level PG and SG.

And since we all know, just don't want to admit it yet, Fultz is here to stay, in that case our starting SG needs to be elite shooter if we will ever want to pass first round of playoffs. Suggs simply isn't that guy. Suggs doesn't solve any of our issues.

We are 14-14 team with him, We are 21-31 team without. He does apsolutley nothing to us in terms of winning, We actually play much better, at least our record is way better without him. Coincidence? Maybe. But pair "condicence" with terrible net rating as starter, mediocre net rating overall, him being better as bench player ( again ,net rating vise) you get lot of data that suggests he isn't as good as you think . Especially when all that is packed in rather very mediocre 10-3-3 / 53% TS & hardly even positive turnover to assist rate and 32,7% for 3.

Suggs evaluation to some of you goes literally like this

Pepe your logic doesnt make any sense in the context of building a team. Suggs is here now, and while we realize that he hasnt lived up to his draft position (so far) that doesnt mean he cant be a good player.

Also Fultz may or may not be here to stay. Just cause he's currently the best PG on the roster that doesn't change the fact that he isnt very good and will likely never be a good fit with Paolo and Franz. IMO the best option is to make a trade for a vet PG that can shoot.

[Knightro]

Because it's important. That's your investing value. If you place $1000 bet and win $60 your mindet can't be "wohohoo i just won $60".

I would rather cut loses, swallow some pride and ship him today, where he has some draft mistique , than keep him as his value continues to drop.

We don't *need* bench SG. We can easly flip him and Black and by doing some open some PT for Black and Jett.


And i'm not one of those people who is obsessed with 5 stars starting 5 to win championship, but Magic, in order to even chase playoffs 99,998% will need actually talented backup PF; actually playable for longer streaches C who can replace forever injuried for half of a season Wendell . And ofc, long term ,starting level PG and SG.

And since we all know, just don't want to admit it yet, Fultz is here to stay, in that case our starting SG needs to be elite shooter if we will ever want to pass first round of playoffs. Suggs simply isn't that guy. Suggs doesn't solve any of our issues.

We are 14-14 team with him, We are 21-31 team without. He does apsolutley nothing to us in terms of winning, We actually play much better, at least our record is way better without him. Coincidence? Maybe. But pair "condicence" with terrible net rating as starter, mediocre net rating overall, him being better as bench player ( again ,net rating vise) you get lot of data that suggests he isn't as good as you think . Especially when all that is packed in rather very mediocre 10-3-3 / 53% TS & hardly even positive turnover to assist rate and 32,7% for 3.

Suggs evaluation to some of you goes literally like this

I would agree with you if this was a Bamba or Hezonja situation where the guy just straight up can't play and the Magic need to cut their losses and move on before the rest of the league figures out what the Magic already know.

But this isn't that.

Suggs is already productive and helpful to winning, perhaps not as much as you want out of a 5th overall pick, but that really doesn't matter at this point because you can't undo the pick after the fact.

Jalen was a positive contributor this past year - especially when everyone got healthy and he was able to focus in on playing SG. The Magic played better with him on the floor once he returned from his injury in early January. Yes more of that was against backups than starters, but I would like to see if he can continue to improve as a shooter and earn himself a bigger role.

It's not like he makes a ton of money either. He's cost controlled for just 8M AAV the next two seasons, well under the MLE. I have no problem holding on to him and seeing if certain parts of his game keep getting better.

The value he may be able to contribute on the court the next two seasons almost certainly supersedes what he might return in a trade right now too.

[pepe1991]

Btw i wrote wrong. Magic are 14-14 team without him and 14 games below .500 with him playing

I want Magic to win championship, not rebuild value of draft flops and busts.
To me he is more valuable as asset than player. And players of his caliber go undrafted every year.

I would trade him. That's all from me folks about topic. Peace out

[basketballRob]

Btw i wrote wrong. Magic are 14-14 team without him and 14 games below .500 with him playing

I want Magic to win championship, not rebuild value of draft flops and busts.
To me he is more valuable as asset than player. And players of his caliber go undrafted every year.

I would trade him. That's all from me folks about topic. Peace out

There were also other players out. Suggs was the only guard available for a stretch of that 5-25 start, and he was still hampered by his ankle injury.

Other players can lose for 12 years and nothing. Suggs can have a losing record for 12 games, and let's get rid of him.

[Bensational]

Jordan Poole is the only player who’s been moved who I’m now second guessing if we should’ve made a play for. I know he can take dumb shots, but maybe that can be reigned in if he’s not trying to prove himself in front of Curry and Klay? I do think he’s going to blow up in Washington like Arenas v2, efficiency will be the question though.

The good news is I think there will be a lot of player movement next off-season. Players will be going into final years of deals so teams will be looking to move them early rather than lose them for nothing, as has been the recent trend. By then we’ll have a stronger idea of who Paolo and Franz need to get them to the next level.

[pepe1991]

Btw i wrote wrong. Magic are 14-14 team without him and 14 games below .500 with him playing

I want Magic to win championship, not rebuild value of draft flops and busts.
To me he is more valuable as asset than player. And players of his caliber go undrafted every year.

I would trade him. That's all from me folks about topic. Peace out

There were also other players out. Suggs was the only guard available for a stretch of that 5-25 start, and he was still hampered by his ankle injury.

Other players can lose for 12 years and nothing. Suggs can have a losing record for 12 games, and let's get rid of him.

Suggs missed 16 out of first 30 games and wasn't starter in 2 out of first 14 games where he did play, but we know you don't bother with facts

[basketballRob]

Btw i wrote wrong. Magic are 14-14 team without him and 14 games below .500 with him playing

I want Magic to win championship, not rebuild value of draft flops and busts.
To me he is more valuable as asset than player. And players of his caliber go undrafted every year.

I would trade him. That's all from me folks about topic. Peace out

There were also other players out. Suggs was the only guard available for a stretch of that 5-25 start, and he was still hampered by his ankle injury.

Other players can lose for 12 years and nothing. Suggs can have a losing record for 12 games, and let's get rid of him.

Suggs missed 16 out of first 30 games and wasn't starter in 2 out of first 14 games where he did play, but we know you don't bother with facts

You are blowing up what a 21 year old did that's been hampered by injuries his first two years.

Remember 5 years from now when you were evaluating Suggs as a loser. The guy is obviously a winning player to me.


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[pepe1991]

There were also other players out. Suggs was the only guard available for a stretch of that 5-25 start, and he was still hampered by his ankle injury.

Other players can lose for 12 years and nothing. Suggs can have a losing record for 12 games, and let's get rid of him.

Suggs missed 16 out of first 30 games and wasn't starter in 2 out of first 14 games where he did play, but we know you don't bother with facts

You are blowing up what a 21 year old did that's been hampered by injuries his first two years.

Remember 5 years from now when you were evaluating Suggs as a loser. The guy is obviously a winning player to me.


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And you are spreading false informations on regular bases and use flat out lies to justfy things.
3 days ago you claimed Jordan Hawkins is 23 years old

What execlly Suggs "won " in his life to be considered "winner" ? He was 3rd best player on college team. Year after another prospect was best player on same college team and you don't call Holmgren "winner" but refer to him as " future broken man" due his built. But in same time your "winner" is always hurt because he throws himself around like dodgeball

[tiderulz]

Btw i wrote wrong. Magic are 14-14 team without him and 14 games below .500 with him playing

I want Magic to win championship, not rebuild value of draft flops and busts.
To me he is more valuable as asset than player. And players of his caliber go undrafted every year.

I would trade him. That's all from me folks about topic. Peace out

kinda takes away from your premise though

We are 14-14 team with him, We are 21-31 team without. He does apsolutley nothing to us in terms of winning, We actually play much better, at least our record is way better without him.

but it looks like he actually does impact winning and better play, since we win more with him. I agree we need to improve at multiple positions. I would see what his first 20 games looks like and if there isnt strong progress, see what moves could be made.

[pepe1991]

Btw i wrote wrong. Magic are 14-14 team without him and 14 games below .500 with him playing

I want Magic to win championship, not rebuild value of draft flops and busts.
To me he is more valuable as asset than player. And players of his caliber go undrafted every year.

I would trade him. That's all from me folks about topic. Peace out

kinda takes away from your premise though

We are 14-14 team with him, We are 21-31 team without. He does apsolutley nothing to us in terms of winning, We actually play much better, at least our record is way better without him.

but it looks like he actually does impact winning and better play, since we win more with him. I agree we need to improve at multiple positions. I would see what his first 20 games looks like and if there isnt strong progress, see what moves could be made.

Magic are 14-14 team in games Suggs doesn't play.
Magic are 21-33 team in games Suggs does play.


I just completley f***ed up orginal post

[Knightro]

I think getting hung up on team records when guys play and don't play is a bit of a fool's errand because there are a lot of other factors that go into it that are outside of that player's control.

Like suggesting it's some knock on Suggs that the Magic went 4-10 in the first 14 games he played last year when Fultz, Anthony, Moritz, Harris (even Isaac if you want to include him) were all out at that time just seems silly to me.

[tiderulz]

Btw i wrote wrong. Magic are 14-14 team without him and 14 games below .500 with him playing

I want Magic to win championship, not rebuild value of draft flops and busts.
To me he is more valuable as asset than player. And players of his caliber go undrafted every year.

I would trade him. That's all from me folks about topic. Peace out

kinda takes away from your premise though

We are 14-14 team with him, We are 21-31 team without. He does apsolutley nothing to us in terms of winning, We actually play much better, at least our record is way better without him.

but it looks like he actually does impact winning and better play, since we win more with him. I agree we need to improve at multiple positions. I would see what his first 20 games looks like and if there isnt strong progress, see what moves could be made.

Magic are 14-14 team in games Suggs doesn't play.
Magic are 21-33 team in games Suggs does play.


I just completley f***ed up orginal post

gotcha. that being said, young players (and a young team) that is also not built right (looking at Weltham) dont generally translate to too many wins. Ive seen Suggs on the big stage, Im willing to see the first half of the season to see if he has improved. at the end of the season, he shot was improving. all depends on how much work he puts in for the summer. But if he hasnt really improved by the Allstar break, i would look to move him. And if the team really wanted to improve, I would talk to Portland about SImons. maybe if they didnt have him, they would take the Miami trade. I could maybe be talked into Herro, but i still dont like his contract. he is an elite shooter, but not much else. Ive at least seen Simons drive to the basket a lot more.

[Knightro]

People like to talk a lot about Fultz and the team's record with Fultz.

Well Anthony returned on the same day as Markelle did. And in the 56 games from November 30th on that Cole played, the Magic went 29-27.

Yet almost no one will credit Cole the same way they do Markelle with the record turnaround even though Cole was also playing big minutes (25.5 MPG) at that time.

And the truth is, neither guy should get credited more over the other because they both played a role in the success.

The Magic, when healthy, have a pretty deep team capable of having success. Fully healthy there's no complete scrubs anywhere in the 10-man rotation which is not a place a lot of teams are right now.

It just seems incorrect me to to pin all the successes or the failures from a team record perspective on specific individuals when multiple guys were out/returned to play basically all at once.

[pepe1991]

I think getting hung up on team records when guys play and don't play is a bit of a fool's errand because there are a lot of other factors that go into it that are outside of that player's control.

Like suggesting it's some knock on Suggs that the Magic went 4-10 in the first 14 games he played last year when Fultz, Anthony, Moritz, Harris (even Isaac if you want to include him) were all out at that time just seems silly to me.

It goes deeper than team's record with/Without and you know it. Especially when you mirror his played vs not played games to somebody like Gary Harris to see noticable difference. In games Harris played, Magic were 22-26 team, in games he didn't play Magic were 12-22 team.

He also had negative net rating as starter.
He also had one of the worst offensvie ratings on a team. You know, team that could have made playoffs if they weren't 5th worst offense.
He also isn't efficient and is turnover prone.

He also had 16 games where he recorded total of sub 2 FGM . In 21 out of 53 games he recorded 0 three point mades.


So it's very obvious that he can't start on Magic any time soon, maybe, if Magic land Steph Curry, he could. Or Lillard. Sure.
But under this conditions, on already horriblly spaced starting 5 ,replacing Harris to Suggs would be suicide.



And as bench player, there is nothing really that he provides that, today, seems to be all that impossible for Black and Jett to replace. Poor shooting, hard defense and being annoying defender? That's pretty much execlly what everybody expects from Black next year.


I never said he sucks. I never said let's dump him for 2038 , top 59 protected pick.
I suggest trading him in near future if he doesn't show massive leap because this, current version of Suggs, for us, is nothing but bench player. And he simply, under those conditions, is more valuable as trade asset than he is as player.

Tbh i don't understand what's so controversial about it.

[Knightro]

It goes deeper than team's record with/Without and you know it. Especially when you mirror his played vs not played games to somebody like Gary Harris to see noticable difference. In games Harris played, Magic were 22-26 team, in games he didn't play Magic were 12-22 team.

He also had negative net rating as starter.
He also had one of the worst offensvie ratings on a team. You know, team that could have made playoffs if they weren't 5th worst offense.
He also isn't efficient and is turnover prone.

He also had 16 games where he recorded total of sub 2 FGM . In 21 out of 53 games he recorded 0 three point mades.

So it's very obvious that he can't start on Magic any time soon, maybe, if Magic land Steph Curry, he could. Or Lillard. Sure.
But under this conditions, on already horriblly spaced starting 5 ,replacing Harris to Suggs would be suicide.

And as bench player, there is nothing really that he provides that, today, seems to be all that impossible for Black and Jett to replace. Poor shooting, hard defense and being annoying defender? That's pretty much execlly what everybody expects from Black next year.

I never said he sucks. I never said let's dump him for 2038 , top 59 protected pick.
I suggest trading him in near future if he doesn't show massive leap because this, current version of Suggs, for us, is nothing but bench player. And he simply, under those conditions, is more valuable as trade asset than he is as player.

Tbh i don't understand what's so controversial about it.

So what did we learn about Jalen Suggs from October 19th to November 25th in those 14 games?

Pretty much nothing we didn't already know.

Suggs started at PG and averaged 28.9 MPG, 12.4 PPG, 3.3 RPG, 5.4 APG, 1.6 SPG, 0.6 BPG, 3.4 TOV with a .419/.294/.657 slash line. The Magic went 4-10 in those games and Suggs' net rating was a very poor -5.3

We saw that he's not a good enough prospect to single handedly keep a roster that was at the point in time destroyed by injuries afloat (very few 2nd year players are capable of this). But we already knew this.

We also saw that he's not really capable of being a full time point guard on a team with any sort of winning aspirations. I'd argue if the Magic were in the beginning stages of a rebuild that sticking Suggs on the ball as a PG wouldn't be the worse thing in the world for his development regardless of how bad the team would be in that scenario. But regardless of that, we already knew this about Suggs as well.

When Suggs came back on January 5th, he didn't really play a minute of point guard from that moment forward. He was used almost exclusively in an off ball role at SG.

The results IMO were encouraging.

22.0 MPG, 9.2 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1.2 SPG, 0.5 BPG with a .421/.348/.750 slash.

The Magic then really upped Suggs' minutes starting January 28th. The first 11 games of his return, he only played 14.5 MPG. Starting on 1/28, they increased his minutes up significantly to 24.3 MPG.

The results over those final 28 games were VERY encouraging.

24.3 PG, 10.5 PPG, 3.4 RPG, 2.1 APG, 1.4 SPG, 0.6 BPG, 1.5 TOV with a .432/.381/.742 slash. His net rating was +1.0.

If he can extrapolate THAT ^^^ effort over the course of a whole season, he unequivocally can be a starting NBA shooting guard with his defensive effort and intensity.

[pepe1991]

Can you cherrypick more? I highly doubt you can. January 28th. Why not January first? Maybe because up until January 28th he shot 6-29 for 3 from New Year- to moment when it fits your "shooting better narrative" and basically played himself out rotation, and that's why he averaged 15 mpg?

And if you will try to grasp for straw hiding behind "injury recovery" it really doesn't help your case that 3 games into return from injury, he played 24 min, and back to back games.
He simply didn't produce. He was returned on more meaningful min in rotation after that stinker vs Bulls where starters got humiliated so him and Cole got lot of burn ( and that's your Jaunary 28th starting date).



I already explained how his "38,8% for 3 month" is actually just him making 2 more threes than his season 33% average.
And how after that good shooting month, he reverted back at old self averaging 10-3-2 on his usual 42-31-70 split .

Simple question that this thread is about: Is Jalen Suggs starter for Orlando Magic at SG to you?
Yes or no.

[Knightro]

Can you cherrypick more? I highly doubt you can. January 28th. Why not January first? Maybe because up until January 28th he shot 6-29 for 3 from New Year- to moment when it fits your "shooting better narrative" and basically played himself out rotation, and that's why he averaged 15 mpg?

And if you will try to grasp for straw hiding behind "injury recovery" it really doesn't help your case that 3 games into return from injury, he played 24 min, and back to back games.
He simply didn't produce. He was returned on more meaningful min in rotation after that stinker vs Bulls where starters got humiliated so him and Cole got lot of burn ( and that's your Jaunary 28th starting date).

I already explained how his "38,8% for 3 month" is actually just him making 2 more threes than his season 33% average.
And how after that good shooting month, he reverted back at old self averaging 10-3-2 on his usual 42-31-70 split .

Simple question that this thread is about: Is Jalen Suggs starter for Orlando Magic at SG to you?
Yes or no.

Your facts are not entirely accurate.

Here are Suggs' minutes played in first 11 games after he returned from his ankle injury on January 5.

5:24
15:47
24:09 (the Magic were down by 20 at half and Suggs played the entire 4th quarter which was entirely garbage time)
11:23
13:50
13:17
14:51
12:37
16:01
16:35
17:11

He only averaged 14.6 MPG from January 5 to January 27 because the Magic were playing 10 and sometimes even 11 players a night at that time and Suggs was sharing a rotation spot at backup SG with Ross (who was also sharing backup SF with Bol). He only topped 18 minutes one time and that was in a blowout loss to the Kings where he played the entire 4th quarter in extended garbage time.

Starting on January 28th, the Magic upped Suggs' minutes significantly at the expense of Ross who was removed from the rotation entirely and at the expense of Bol who saw his minutes drop until he was also removed from the rotation entirely.

From January 28 to April 4 - Suggs averaged 24.9 MPG as the primary backup SG and also played in some three guard lineups. The only game in that entire stretch where he didn't get to 20 MPG was the game against Minnesota where he was ejected for fighting when Bamba and Rivers got into it.

So when he got consistent rotation minutes (aka more than a few minutes per half) as a shooting guard, he played well.

If you want to call that cherry picking, be my guest. But I am optimistic he can build off that.

To your last question, yes. I think Suggs *can* be a starting SG for the Magic. I would have zero issue sticking him in the starting lineup from game 1 of this season and see what happens.

Worst case it doesn't work out and he can still give you 20-25 good minutes a night off the bench.

[pepe1991]

Can you cherrypick more? I highly doubt you can. January 28th. Why not January first? Maybe because up until January 28th he shot 6-29 for 3 from New Year- to moment when it fits your "shooting better narrative" and basically played himself out rotation, and that's why he averaged 15 mpg?

And if you will try to grasp for straw hiding behind "injury recovery" it really doesn't help your case that 3 games into return from injury, he played 24 min, and back to back games.
He simply didn't produce. He was returned on more meaningful min in rotation after that stinker vs Bulls where starters got humiliated so him and Cole got lot of burn ( and that's your Jaunary 28th starting date).

I already explained how his "38,8% for 3 month" is actually just him making 2 more threes than his season 33% average.
And how after that good shooting month, he reverted back at old self averaging 10-3-2 on his usual 42-31-70 split .

Simple question that this thread is about: Is Jalen Suggs starter for Orlando Magic at SG to you?
Yes or no.

Your facts are not entirely accurate.

Here are Suggs' minutes played in first 11 games after he returned from his ankle injury on January 5.

5:24
15:47
24:09 (the Magic were down by 20 at half and Suggs played the entire 4th quarter which was entirely garbage time)
11:23
13:50
13:17
14:51
12:37
16:01
16:35
17:11

He only averaged 14.6 MPG from January 5 to January 27 because the Magic were playing 10 and sometimes even 11 players a night at that time and Suggs was sharing a rotation spot at backup SG with Ross (who was also sharing backup SF with Bol). He only topped 18 minutes one time and that was in a blowout loss to the Kings where he played the entire 4th quarter in extended garbage time.

Starting on January 28th, the Magic upped Suggs' minutes significantly at the expense of Ross who was removed from the rotation entirely and at the expense of Bol who saw his minutes drop until he was also removed from the rotation entirely.

From January 28 to April 4 - Suggs averaged 24.9 MPG as the primary backup SG and also played in some three guard lineups. The only game in that entire stretch where he didn't get to 20 MPG was the game against Minnesota where he was ejected for fighting when Bamba and Rivers got into it.

So when he got consistent rotation minutes (aka more than a few minutes per half) as a shooting guard, he played well.

If you want to call that cherry picking, be my guest. But I am optimistic he can build off that.

To your last question, yes. I think Suggs *can* be a starting SG for the Magic. I would have zero issue sticking him in the starting lineup from game 1 of this season and see what happens.

Worst case it doesn't work out and he can still give you 20-25 good minutes a night off the bench.

You now claim you know why he didn't play much? Did Mosley texsted you personally? Magic went 5-6 in that period.
And Suggs in that period didn't play much because he... i don't know.... shot ? 17-52 ( 34% FG) overall? And he literally averaged more fouls than FGM per game. Sounds like way more logical explanation than whatever you suggesting.

Starting on January 28th, the Magic upped Suggs' minutes significantly at the expense of Ross who was removed from the rotation entirely and at the expense of Bol who saw his minutes drop until he was also removed from the rotation entirely.

Bol is PF/C and Suggs is PG-SG so he is irrelevant.

Ross ( February 12 ) and RJ Hampton ( February 21th) both got vaiwed after reciving multiple DNP-CDS prior. Did you ever occure to you that it was menagment's decision to give their praised 5th overall pick more PT at expense of players they literally cutted down 2 and 3 weeks from position you elect to pick as "getting more min" and it was strategic move. Not something that happend organically?


For person who often cries about lack of spacing, you for damn sure don't hold same criterias for all of them.

Fultz shoots 28% for 3 for career " oh my God he sucks ".
Suggs shoots 27% for 3 for career " yep, this is my shooting guard"

Yes.i know, taking more shots , being willing shooter, upright tragjectory ( like it's possible to go anywhere but up after shooting 21% as rookie...) and all that, but still nothing changes fact that Suggs never shot ball well at any level. And once paired together you just have 2 guards who don't play well off ball, dont' draw fouls, don't make outside shots and have medicore to bad assist to turnover rate. And sorry, but i don't see how situation would change even if we remove Fultz and start Black. Shooting & spacing would probably shorter term be even worst.

Their net rating is -1. 350 min played in big sample i guess. But we don't have data to know how many of those PT happened against starters.


I respect your opinion, i simply don't agree with it. I think Suggs would have to break out in at least above average spot up shooter to ever consider playing exstended min as starter with our group of people who we think are our starters, mostly because all of them are below average to average shooters themselfs.
And as bench guard, i just don't see value of stock piling lottery selected players & hoping they can turn into "hard working hustlers" when they have more value as trade assets and those hard working hustlers you can get for free every year, or in second rounds.