The Official Jaden McDaniels Thread

[TheZachAttack]

Jaden will never be Ingram offensively. He doesn’t have close to the footwork, handle or passing ability. That’s doesn’t mean he can’t be a one of the top options on the team tho.

I personally see him somewhere developing offensively to be somewhere between Anuoby and Mikal Bridges. I think there's almost a guarantee that he's better than OG (maybe already by next season) and I am skeptical that he ever becomes as good as Bridges was last year.

[TimberKat]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

[twolves31]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

I'm guessing negotiations have gone something like this, Wolves, we will give you 5 years 100 million dollars...Jadens agent we want the max. Wolves, we will give you 5 years 125 million...Jadens agent we want the max. Continues talking, but ultimately Jaden bets on himself and tries to get the max next summer.

[BlacJacMac]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

Because it won't be a max contract, so there is a lot more negotiations. Jaden also has the option of waiting a year to see if his value goes up significantly.

[Slim Tubby]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

This is only a guess but I don't think 5/$150M is out of the question.
If he continues to develop on the same trajectory, that could be a steal over the course of the contract.

[TimberKat]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

This is only a guess but I don't think 5/$150M is out of the question.
If he continues to develop on the same trajectory, that could be a steal over the course of the contract.

The 20M to 30m salary range is very tricky. As much as I love JMcD, he's not an all star and may not get there. For reference: Mikal Bridges 21.7; Aaron Gordon 22.2; Draymond 22.3; Brogdon 22.5; Brooks 22.6(crazy); Rozier 23.2; RJ 23.8; other Ant 24.1; Wiggins 24.3; Kuzma 25.6;CamJ 25.6; Herro 27; JJJ avg 25; Grant 27.5; Poole 28 (what's Wizards thinking?). If we end up high 20s, I like to have heavy team options.

[KGdaBom]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

I'm guessing negotiations have gone something like this, Wolves, we will give you 5 years 100 million dollars...Jadens agent we want the max. Wolves, we will give you 5 years 125 million...Jadens agent we want the max. Continues talking, but ultimately Jaden bets on himself and tries to get the max next summer.

I will go on record right now that no way in hell is Jaden's next contract a max.

[Slim Tubby]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

This is only a guess but I don't think 5/$150M is out of the question.
If he continues to develop on the same trajectory, that could be a steal over the course of the contract.

The 20M to 30m salary range is very tricky. As much as I love JMcD, he's not an all star and may not get there. For reference: Mikal Bridges 21.7; Aaron Gordon 22.2; Draymond 22.3; Brogdon 22.5; Brooks 22.6(crazy); Rozier 23.2; RJ 23.8; other Ant 24.1; Wiggins 24.3; Kuzma 25.6;CamJ 25.6; Herro 27; JJJ avg 25; Grant 27.5; Poole 28 (what's Wizards thinking?). If we end up high 20s, I like to have heavy team options.

I agree with you. A $20M/year contract is far closer than $30M based on performance. The NBA pays for potential, though, too. It will be interesting to see how it plays out.

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[younggunsmn]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

This is only a guess but I don't think 5/$150M is out of the question.
If he continues to develop on the same trajectory, that could be a steal over the course of the contract.

I agree that 5/150 is indeed not out of the question and probably a little low if we want him to sign tomorrow.
Bridges contract is an absolute steal now.
The comparable I have is Cam Johnson's 4/108, which he got as a restricted free agent in a year that few teams had cap space.
More teams will have cap space next summer, and one of them has the potential to make it very painful for us.
I hope he doesn't hit restricted free agency and we can get him extended by the deadline (Oct 31 I think?), but I feel the negotiations will probably go right up to the deadline.
Philly is purposefully waiting until next summer to extend Tyrese Maxey so they will have max cap room.

My goal for him next year is to be our 3rd leading scorer, (15 PPG or so) get to 5 rebounds per game, eliminate his foul trouble problems, and stay healthy. If he can do more than that, he might indeed get a max contract.

[TimberKat]

What is the contract length and $ amount that he is going to sign for? Why is it taking so long?

This is only a guess but I don't think 5/$150M is out of the question.
If he continues to develop on the same trajectory, that could be a steal over the course of the contract.

I agree that 5/150 is indeed not out of the question and probably a little low if we want him to sign tomorrow.
Bridges contract is an absolute steal now.
The comparable I have is Cam Johnson's 4/108, which he got as a restricted free agent in a year that few teams had cap space.
More teams will have cap space next summer, and one of them has the potential to make it very painful for us.
I hope he doesn't hit restricted free agency and we can get him extended by the deadline (Oct 31 I think?), but I feel the negotiations will probably go right up to the deadline.
Philly is purposefully waiting until next summer to extend Tyrese Maxey so they will have max cap room.

My goal for him next year is to be our 3rd leading scorer, (15 PPG or so) get to 5 rebounds per game, eliminate his foul trouble problems, and stay healthy. If he can do more than that, he might indeed get a max contract.

No wonder you worry about cap space, if you want to paid JMcd 30m and Conley 15M JMcd is 20 to 25M and Conley is 5-7M. Conley is getting paid right now for his under paid years as Grizzlies. For 30M, I am trading JMcd for Cam, Kuzma, Herro or Ant2. I do agree he is the wild card on the budget and I check on realgm 5 times a day to see when his contract is done. If 15 pt, 5 RB is 30 M, don't you think 24pt, 10RB worth 50M

[younggunsmn]

This is only a guess but I don't think 5/$150M is out of the question.
If he continues to develop on the same trajectory, that could be a steal over the course of the contract.

I agree that 5/150 is indeed not out of the question and probably a little low if we want him to sign tomorrow.
Bridges contract is an absolute steal now.
The comparable I have is Cam Johnson's 4/108, which he got as a restricted free agent in a year that few teams had cap space.
More teams will have cap space next summer, and one of them has the potential to make it very painful for us.
I hope he doesn't hit restricted free agency and we can get him extended by the deadline (Oct 31 I think?), but I feel the negotiations will probably go right up to the deadline.
Philly is purposefully waiting until next summer to extend Tyrese Maxey so they will have max cap room.

My goal for him next year is to be our 3rd leading scorer, (15 PPG or so) get to 5 rebounds per game, eliminate his foul trouble problems, and stay healthy. If he can do more than that, he might indeed get a max contract.

No wonder you worry about cap space, if you want to paid JMcd 30m and Conley 15M JMcd is 20 to 25M and Conley is 5-7M. Conley is getting paid right now for his under paid years as Grizzlies. For 30M, I am trading JMcd for Cam, Kuzma, Herro or Ant2. I do agree he is the wild card on the budget and I check on realgm 5 times a day to see when his contract is done. If 15 pt, 5 RB is 30 M, don't you think 24pt, 10RB worth 50M

There is this whole other part of the game outside of offensive stat padding called defense that is 50% of the game,
I encourage you to look into it.
Jaden is already really good and has the length and athleticism to be the best wing defender of his generation.
He's IMHO the 2nd most important long term piece here after Ant, and we are going to be forced to pay him one way or another.
If we could get him to accept the deal Cam Johnson signed plus another year tacked on, it would be an incredible win.
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I don't like Kuzma or Herro (no defense) for that money and am split on Cam.
And Ant's extension will start at about 37.5 or 44+ if he meets supermax criteria.
3-4 mil a year is tied up in incentives for Cam, so there is that.
Maybe we go that route with some of Jaden's contract, but there are definitely multiple all defense teams in his future.
When you are constantly flirting with the luxury tax the uncertainty of incentives isn't a great way to manage your cap though.

If you are counting on Conley coming back at 5-7 million you are going to be sorely disappointed.
Underpaid as a Grizzly? At one time he had the biggest max contract in the league, his value around the league I think is underestimated a lot because he doesn't put up huge counting stats.
He's still a tremendous defender and had a 1:1 STL/TO ratio with us (1.2/1.2), which is incredible to go along with his very efficient shooting.

[TimberKat]

I agree that 5/150 is indeed not out of the question and probably a little low if we want him to sign tomorrow.
Bridges contract is an absolute steal now.
The comparable I have is Cam Johnson's 4/108, which he got as a restricted free agent in a year that few teams had cap space.
More teams will have cap space next summer, and one of them has the potential to make it very painful for us.
I hope he doesn't hit restricted free agency and we can get him extended by the deadline (Oct 31 I think?), but I feel the negotiations will probably go right up to the deadline.
Philly is purposefully waiting until next summer to extend Tyrese Maxey so they will have max cap room.

My goal for him next year is to be our 3rd leading scorer, (15 PPG or so) get to 5 rebounds per game, eliminate his foul trouble problems, and stay healthy. If he can do more than that, he might indeed get a max contract.

No wonder you worry about cap space, if you want to paid JMcd 30m and Conley 15M JMcd is 20 to 25M and Conley is 5-7M. Conley is getting paid right now for his under paid years as Grizzlies. For 30M, I am trading JMcd for Cam, Kuzma, Herro or Ant2. I do agree he is the wild card on the budget and I check on realgm 5 times a day to see when his contract is done. If 15 pt, 5 RB is 30 M, don't you think 24pt, 10RB worth 50M

There is this whole other part of the game outside of offensive stat padding called defense that is 50% of the game,
I encourage you to look into it.
Jaden is already really good and has the length and athleticism to be the best wing defender of his generation.
He's IMHO the 2nd most important long term piece here after Ant, and we are going to be forced to pay him one way or another.
If we could get him to accept the deal Cam Johnson signed plus another year tacked on, it would be an incredible win.

I don't like Kuzma or Herro (no defense) for that money and am split on Cam.
3-4 mil a year is tied up in incentives for him, so there is that.
Maybe we go that route with some of Jaden's contract, but there are definitely multiple all defense teams in his future.
When you are constantly flirting with the luxury tax the uncertainty of incentives isn't a great way to manage your cap though.

If you are counting on Conley coming back at 5-7 million you are going to be sorely disappointed.
Underpaid as a Grizzly? At one time he had the biggest max contract in the league, his value around the league I think is underestimated a lot because he doesn't put up huge counting stats.
He's still a tremendous defender and had a 1:1 STL/TO ratio with us (1.2/1.2), which is incredible to go along with his very efficient shooting.

But we don't care about defense right? Gobert scores around 15 pts and 11 rebound and good D and no one wants him at 41m. JMcd may get to 15 and 5 rebounds and good D is worth 30m?

We shall see how much Conley gets next year. I hope he gets more because that would mean he puts up great numbers. But for his current production level, I don't see it. Otherwise, someone would had traded a #1 pick for him last year.

[younggunsmn]

You are all caught up in counting stats.

Gobert didn't get a single all defense vote last year.
For a guy with his reputation, his defense was maybe the biggest disappointment.
I really hope that changes this year.

Gobert has zero (and I mean zero) offensive skills, his mere presence on offense torpedoes his teammates ability to get to the basket, and he can't be counted on to shoot free throws late in games.
The defensive equivalent of all that would be one of the worst defenders in the league.

Nikola Vucevic 3/60
Jarret Allen 3/60
Rudy Gobert 3/131

But it's fun to watch guys catch lobs.

Guys who can excel on both sides of the ball win championships.
Those guys are hard to find, Jaden and Ant are 2 of them.
Conley is one of them too. KAT has the potential to still get there.

[KGdaBom]

I agree that 5/150 is indeed not out of the question and probably a little low if we want him to sign tomorrow.
Bridges contract is an absolute steal now.
The comparable I have is Cam Johnson's 4/108, which he got as a restricted free agent in a year that few teams had cap space.
More teams will have cap space next summer, and one of them has the potential to make it very painful for us.
I hope he doesn't hit restricted free agency and we can get him extended by the deadline (Oct 31 I think?), but I feel the negotiations will probably go right up to the deadline.
Philly is purposefully waiting until next summer to extend Tyrese Maxey so they will have max cap room.

My goal for him next year is to be our 3rd leading scorer, (15 PPG or so) get to 5 rebounds per game, eliminate his foul trouble problems, and stay healthy. If he can do more than that, he might indeed get a max contract.

No wonder you worry about cap space, if you want to paid JMcd 30m and Conley 15M JMcd is 20 to 25M and Conley is 5-7M. Conley is getting paid right now for his under paid years as Grizzlies. For 30M, I am trading JMcd for Cam, Kuzma, Herro or Ant2. I do agree he is the wild card on the budget and I check on realgm 5 times a day to see when his contract is done. If 15 pt, 5 RB is 30 M, don't you think 24pt, 10RB worth 50M

There is this whole other part of the game outside of offensive stat padding called defense that is 50% of the game,
I encourage you to look into it.
Jaden is already really good and has the length and athleticism to be the best wing defender of his generation.
He's IMHO the 2nd most important long term piece here after Ant, and we are going to be forced to pay him one way or another.
If we could get him to accept the deal Cam Johnson signed plus another year tacked on, it would be an incredible win.
p
I don't like Kuzma or Herro (no defense) for that money and am split on Cam.
And Ant's extension will start at about 37.5 or 44+ if he meets supermax criteria.
3-4 mil a year is tied up in incentives for Cam, so there is that.
Maybe we go that route with some of Jaden's contract, but there are definitely multiple all defense teams in his future.
When you are constantly flirting with the luxury tax the uncertainty of incentives isn't a great way to manage your cap though.

If you are counting on Conley coming back at 5-7 million you are going to be sorely disappointed.
Underpaid as a Grizzly? At one time he had the biggest max contract in the league, his value around the league I think is underestimated a lot because he doesn't put up huge counting stats.
He's still a tremendous defender and had a 1:1 STL/TO ratio with us (1.2/1.2), which is incredible to go along with his very efficient shooting.

I think if Conley can continue to play well his next contract will be 2 years in the 10-15 million range. I'd rather move on from him a year too soon than a year too late. I don't think he can keep it up. Defense may be 50% of the game, but it's never paid as such. I think and hope you are very much overestimating how much it will cost to sign McDaniels. 4 years 90 Million player option on the 4th year is my guess.

[KGdaBom]

You are all caught up in counting stats.

Gobert didn't get a single all defense vote last year.
For a guy with his reputation, his defense was maybe the biggest disappointment.
I really hope that changes this year.

Gobert has zero (and I mean zero) offensive skills, his mere presence on offense torpedoes his teammates ability to get to the basket, and he can't be counted on to shoot free throws late in games.
The defensive equivalent of all that would be one of the worst defenders in the league.

Nikola Vucevic 3/60
Jarret Allen 3/60
Rudy Gobert 3/131

But it's fun to watch guys catch lobs.

Guys who can excel on both sides of the ball win championships.
Those guys are hard to find, Jaden and Ant are 2 of them.
Conley is one of them too. KAT has the potential to still get there.

Setting screens, Offensive rebounding and Dunking are all offensive skills so I disagree with your assessment.

[younggunsmn]

I share your concerns with Conley keeping it up, but I fail to see better options out there with our limited avenues for free agents next summer.

I would hate 4 years with one being a player option for Jaden.
I would pay extra to get 5 years from him and keep his contract on the same timeline as Ant's.

[KGdaBom]

I share your concerns with Conley keeping it up, but I fail to see better options out there with our limited avenues for free agents next summer.

I would hate 4 years with one being a player option for Jaden.
I would pay extra to get 5 years from him and keep his contract on the same timeline as Ant's.

Whether you like it or not that is the contract I am prognosticating. Jaden will want 4 years, but to have the player option on the 4th.

[younggunsmn]

If that is the case I let him hit restricted free agency.

[KGdaBom]

If that is the case I let him hit restricted free agency.

So 30M a year is OK, but if we can get him for 3 at 22.5 and renegotiate then it isn't?