Russia-Ukraine War Part 2

[HopelessKnick]

And in regards to U.S. foreign policy the difference between Republicans and Democrats is marginal at best. Whether it is Clinton, Bush, Obama, Trump, Biden at power---the results are generally the same. The U.S. ends up in endless wars. Of course, it is always only for democracy and the betterment of the world, defending human rights and freedom.

So much freedom to be defended.

[BKlutch]

The U.S. wanted war with Russia and regime change without having to send own soldiers for close to 30 years at least. The Neocons wanted to fight the russians for decades now. They planned every step along the way to create a situation where their wish could come true and they succeeded.

How did the neocons convince Russia to invade a sovereign country? That’s quite the Jedi mind trick on God emperor Putin.

Convinced like the late JFK was convinced on not wanting nukes sites near our country, in Cuba. Same sht.
jeez God Help Us. Please! Wake the fk up, do it for youself.

You don't mind throwing as much **** at the wall, hoping something sticks, right? But sorry, all you've been saying is pure ****. The only country threatening nukes, and actually planning to move nukes closer to the other side, is -- guess who?? Russia. Nato hasn't been moving nukes into Ukraine or Sweden or Finland. Perhaps those countries, which were living in terror of their gian neighbor, will have some ability to plan for a more peaceful future.

You've been trying to turn the genocidal fantasies of a sick, twisted, dictator into something holy. People who think don't buy it, and I'm actually surprised you're getting as many responses as you do here. Keep it up, and I'll just put u on ignore, and be none the worse for it.

[Clyde_Style]

Well done! My brother has actually also invested a lot in cryptocurrencies etc.---I hope it works out.

Actually I'm also considering doing it, but it seems it has gotten pretty expensive at this point. Also I'm not really that interested in financial stuff and monitoring all that takes time and effort.

No worry comrade. we also send swag to honor effort defending motherland. Enjoy shirt!

Everytime I see a notification with you having replied to one of my posts I delight. It is like someone directly underlining, emphasizing and boosting all my arguments. Keep around.

Pride showing for job performance duty make right!!

[Zenzibar]

How did the neocons convince Russia to invade a sovereign country? That’s quite the Jedi mind trick on God emperor Putin.

Convinced like the late JFK was convinced on not wanting nukes sites near our country, in Cuba. Same sht.
jeez God Help Us. Please! Wake the fk up, do it for youself.

You don't mind throwing as much **** at the wall, hoping something sticks, right? But sorry, all you've been saying is pure ****. The only country threatening nukes, and actually planning to move nukes closer to the other side, is -- guess who?? Russia. Nato hasn't been moving nukes into Ukraine or Sweden or Finland. Perhaps those countries, which were living in terror of their gian neighbor, will have some ability to plan for a more peaceful future.

You've been trying to turn the genocidal fantasies of a sick, twisted, dictator into something holy. People who think don't buy it, and I'm actually surprised you're getting as many responses as you do here. Keep it up, and I'll just put u on ignore, and be none the worse for it.

This is what Folks like you do. No facts, no historical references, no objectivity, no nothing.
A big nothing, you talk about "we here" "us" because you can't stand on your own and handle a debate.

Call me out but bring me facts, state from where, by whom, substantiate.

For example:
No less than Henry Kissinger said in I believe 1978 that moving NATO close to Russia will provoke a future war. The forecast was in.

Your turn.

[Pointgod]

Convinced like the late JFK was convinced on not wanting nukes sites near our country, in Cuba. Same sht.
jeez God Help Us. Please! Wake the fk up, do it for youself.

You don't mind throwing as much **** at the wall, hoping something sticks, right? But sorry, all you've been saying is pure ****. The only country threatening nukes, and actually planning to move nukes closer to the other side, is -- guess who?? Russia. Nato hasn't been moving nukes into Ukraine or Sweden or Finland. Perhaps those countries, which were living in terror of their gian neighbor, will have some ability to plan for a more peaceful future.

You've been trying to turn the genocidal fantasies of a sick, twisted, dictator into something holy. People who think don't buy it, and I'm actually surprised you're getting as many responses as you do here. Keep it up, and I'll just put u on ignore, and be none the worse for it.

This is what Folks like you do. No facts, no historical references, no objectivity, no nothing.
A big nothing, you talk about "we here" "us" because you can't stand on your own and handle a debate.

Call me out but bring me facts, state from where, by whom, substantiate.

For example:
No less than Henry Kissinger said in I believe 1978 that moving NATO close to Russia will provoke a future war. The forecast was in.

Your turn.

Your bring up Cuba like it’s the same kind of context or situations were the same roughly 60 years ago. Genuine questions.

- Prior to the war, did NATO ever have weapons or move weapons into Ukraine?
- NATO a is a defensive agreement so unless Russia attacked a NATO country they should have no concerns about border countries joining NATO
- If a country wanted to join NATO they have the right to do it. Russia doesn’t control what other countries can do
- Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, NATO countries did not want to provide approval for Ukraine to join because they didn’t want to provoke Russia. Not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a quote from 2008 about Ukraine joining NATO, well it was obvious that they weren’t in a rush to approve Ukraine’s membership because it only took 14 years and an actual **** invasion to fast track them
- If Russia was truly worried about strengthening NATO then they are really **** stupid because their direct actions lead to not only Ukraine applying for membership but other border countries as well

You guys are so quick to jump on the America bad train that you eat up the Russian propaganda that the US causes Russia to invade another country. It’s the abusive husband argument that a woman made a man beat them completely absolving Russia the invading country from the consequences of their actions.

[Zenzibar]

You don't mind throwing as much **** at the wall, hoping something sticks, right? But sorry, all you've been saying is pure ****. The only country threatening nukes, and actually planning to move nukes closer to the other side, is -- guess who?? Russia. Nato hasn't been moving nukes into Ukraine or Sweden or Finland. Perhaps those countries, which were living in terror of their gian neighbor, will have some ability to plan for a more peaceful future.

You've been trying to turn the genocidal fantasies of a sick, twisted, dictator into something holy. People who think don't buy it, and I'm actually surprised you're getting as many responses as you do here. Keep it up, and I'll just put u on ignore, and be none the worse for it.

This is what Folks like you do. No facts, no historical references, no objectivity, no nothing.
A big nothing, you talk about "we here" "us" because you can't stand on your own and handle a debate.

Call me out but bring me facts, state from where, by whom, substantiate.

For example:
No less than Henry Kissinger said in I believe 1978 that moving NATO close to Russia will provoke a future war. The forecast was in.

Your turn.

Your bring up Cuba like it’s the same kind of context or situations were the same roughly 60 years ago. Genuine questions.

- Prior to the war, did NATO ever have weapons or move weapons into Ukraine?
- NATO a is a defensive agreement so unless Russia attacked a NATO country they should have no concerns about border countries joining NATO
- If a country wanted to join NATO they have the right to do it. Russia doesn’t control what other countries can do
- Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, NATO countries did not want to provide approval for Ukraine to join because they didn’t want to provoke Russia. Not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a quote from 2008 about Ukraine joining NATO, well it was obvious that they weren’t in a rush to approve Ukraine’s membership because it only took 14 years and an actual **** invasion to fast track them
- If Russia was truly worried about strengthening NATO then they are really **** stupid because their direct actions lead to not only Ukraine applying for membership but other border countries as well

You guys are so quick to jump on the America bad train that you eat up the Russian propaganda that the US causes Russia to invade another country. It’s the abusive husband argument that a woman made a man beat them completely absolving Russia the invading country from the consequences of their actions.

It's appreciated that your reply was civil, despite that we share different interpretations of what we read, are told or fed.

There are truths and untruths in what we both understand. We just don't really know. What's going on within intelligence agencies, media deceptions, orchestraded uprisings, global financial plans or just the inner workings of those that run this sht?

But it has to be an agreement, that this conflict will have no clear winner if it escalates over that edge.
Everyone is going to get hit my Dude.

That one push and in a matter of 24-48 hours this whole planet will be in an imaginable living hell. The word doomsday is too cliche to capture the realities.

It was once said by Einstein:

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."

[Clyde_Style]

You don't mind throwing as much **** at the wall, hoping something sticks, right? But sorry, all you've been saying is pure ****. The only country threatening nukes, and actually planning to move nukes closer to the other side, is -- guess who?? Russia. Nato hasn't been moving nukes into Ukraine or Sweden or Finland. Perhaps those countries, which were living in terror of their gian neighbor, will have some ability to plan for a more peaceful future.

You've been trying to turn the genocidal fantasies of a sick, twisted, dictator into something holy. People who think don't buy it, and I'm actually surprised you're getting as many responses as you do here. Keep it up, and I'll just put u on ignore, and be none the worse for it.

This is what Folks like you do. No facts, no historical references, no objectivity, no nothing.
A big nothing, you talk about "we here" "us" because you can't stand on your own and handle a debate.

Call me out but bring me facts, state from where, by whom, substantiate.

For example:
No less than Henry Kissinger said in I believe 1978 that moving NATO close to Russia will provoke a future war. The forecast was in.

Your turn.

Your bring up Cuba like it’s the same kind of context or situations were the same roughly 60 years ago. Genuine questions.

- Prior to the war, did NATO ever have weapons or move weapons into Ukraine?
- NATO a is a defensive agreement so unless Russia attacked a NATO country they should have no concerns about border countries joining NATO
- If a country wanted to join NATO they have the right to do it. Russia doesn’t control what other countries can do
- Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, NATO countries did not want to provide approval for Ukraine to join because they didn’t want to provoke Russia. Not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a quote from 2008 about Ukraine joining NATO, well it was obvious that they weren’t in a rush to approve Ukraine’s membership because it only took 14 years and an actual **** invasion to fast track them
- If Russia was truly worried about strengthening NATO then they are really **** stupid because their direct actions lead to not only Ukraine applying for membership but other border countries as well

You guys are so quick to jump on the America bad train that you eat up the Russian propaganda that the US causes Russia to invade another country. It’s the abusive husband argument that a woman made a man beat them completely absolving Russia the invading country from the consequences of their actions.

Right on. Validating or invalidating this war based on one's feelings about past American imperialist actions is neither here nor there.

I see lots of attempts to use this war merely as an opportunity for a proxy argument against the U.S. and it absolutely trivializes the conflict, attribution of blame and what is at stake.

[KnicksGadfly]

This is what Folks like you do. No facts, no historical references, no objectivity, no nothing.
A big nothing, you talk about "we here" "us" because you can't stand on your own and handle a debate.

Call me out but bring me facts, state from where, by whom, substantiate.

For example:
No less than Henry Kissinger said in I believe 1978 that moving NATO close to Russia will provoke a future war. The forecast was in.

Your turn.

Your bring up Cuba like it’s the same kind of context or situations were the same roughly 60 years ago. Genuine questions.

- Prior to the war, did NATO ever have weapons or move weapons into Ukraine?
- NATO a is a defensive agreement so unless Russia attacked a NATO country they should have no concerns about border countries joining NATO
- If a country wanted to join NATO they have the right to do it. Russia doesn’t control what other countries can do
- Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, NATO countries did not want to provide approval for Ukraine to join because they didn’t want to provoke Russia. Not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a quote from 2008 about Ukraine joining NATO, well it was obvious that they weren’t in a rush to approve Ukraine’s membership because it only took 14 years and an actual **** invasion to fast track them
- If Russia was truly worried about strengthening NATO then they are really **** stupid because their direct actions lead to not only Ukraine applying for membership but other border countries as well

You guys are so quick to jump on the America bad train that you eat up the Russian propaganda that the US causes Russia to invade another country. It’s the abusive husband argument that a woman made a man beat them completely absolving Russia the invading country from the consequences of their actions.

Right on. Validating or invalidating this war based on one's feelings about past American imperialist actions is neither here nor there.

I see lots of attempts to use this war merely as an opportunity for a proxy argument against the U.S. and it absolutely trivializes the conflict, attribution of blame and what is at stake.

I don’t know why you guys keep saying America or Russia. Vladimir Putin has been warning us recently about Poland’s attempts to take over Ukraine!!!!!!!! Polish Imperialists! Taking over the Ukrainian Nazis! Who shouldn’t even exist because Ukraine is not a real country!

[Clyde_Style]

Your bring up Cuba like it’s the same kind of context or situations were the same roughly 60 years ago. Genuine questions.

- Prior to the war, did NATO ever have weapons or move weapons into Ukraine?
- NATO a is a defensive agreement so unless Russia attacked a NATO country they should have no concerns about border countries joining NATO
- If a country wanted to join NATO they have the right to do it. Russia doesn’t control what other countries can do
- Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, NATO countries did not want to provide approval for Ukraine to join because they didn’t want to provoke Russia. Not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a quote from 2008 about Ukraine joining NATO, well it was obvious that they weren’t in a rush to approve Ukraine’s membership because it only took 14 years and an actual **** invasion to fast track them
- If Russia was truly worried about strengthening NATO then they are really **** stupid because their direct actions lead to not only Ukraine applying for membership but other border countries as well

You guys are so quick to jump on the America bad train that you eat up the Russian propaganda that the US causes Russia to invade another country. It’s the abusive husband argument that a woman made a man beat them completely absolving Russia the invading country from the consequences of their actions.

Right on. Validating or invalidating this war based on one's feelings about past American imperialist actions is neither here nor there.

I see lots of attempts to use this war merely as an opportunity for a proxy argument against the U.S. and it absolutely trivializes the conflict, attribution of blame and what is at stake.

I don’t know why you guys keep saying America or Russia. Vladimir Putin has been warning us recently about Poland’s attempts to take over Ukraine!!!!!!!! Polish Imperialists! Taking over the Ukrainian Nazis! Who shouldn’t even exist because Ukraine is not a real country!

BUT you did forget one thing.

The Ukraine Bio-Labs RUN BY DOGS!!!!!

[BKlutch]

This is what Folks like you do...
Your turn.

Troll behavior and saying “Folks like you?”
There is no point in discussing shut with you. Ever.
Buh bye.

[MrDollarBills]

Belarus (Lukashenko) and Wagner must be suicidal by playing games near the Belarusian/Polish border.

Wagner must have forgotten what happened to their men the last time they went looking for smoke with a member of NATO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

Lots of dead Russian mercs.

[NowWHYcee7]

Oh yeah, your political masters told you to do a 180. Malcolm warned us about fork tongued liberals.

lol y'all are the easiest people to control

Still seething you didn't actually read the thing you posted

Who’s y’all? Why aren’t you addressing the issue?

The Azov Brigade is rooted in Nazi ideology and serves as Ukraines national guard. Are you disputing this, yes or no? Simple question.

I notice dude didn't respond to this question.

[NowWHYcee7]

Hold on, once second. You do realize that what you are demonizing America for, is precisely the reason why Russian started this war lol to "decapitate" the Ukrainian government, install their own pro-russian regime and move on. Except... it wasn't as easy as they thought it would be.

Exactly

What Russia is doing in Ukraine is exactly the thing the US was doing in the Middle East, and South America if we go back further

I criticize the US for taking imperialist actions, so I'm against Russia when they try to do the same thing.

Nah what the US is doing in supporting Ukraine is what the US has always been doing ie; imperialistic activities - supporting and propping up dangerous and fraudulent regimes in other parts of the world to bolster the interests of corporate lobbies and the elite class. Remember, we SUPPORTED Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war during the 80's. Then we flipped the script when it didn't fit the narrative anymore. And all the lemmings just get in line.

[HopelessKnick]

Your bring up Cuba like it’s the same kind of context or situations were the same roughly 60 years ago. Genuine questions.

- Prior to the war, did NATO ever have weapons or move weapons into Ukraine?
- NATO a is a defensive agreement so unless Russia attacked a NATO country they should have no concerns about border countries joining NATO
- If a country wanted to join NATO they have the right to do it. Russia doesn’t control what other countries can do
- Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, NATO countries did not want to provide approval for Ukraine to join because they didn’t want to provoke Russia. Not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a quote from 2008 about Ukraine joining NATO, well it was obvious that they weren’t in a rush to approve Ukraine’s membership because it only took 14 years and an actual **** invasion to fast track them
- If Russia was truly worried about strengthening NATO then they are really **** stupid because their direct actions lead to not only Ukraine applying for membership but other border countries as well

You guys are so quick to jump on the America bad train that you eat up the Russian propaganda that the US causes Russia to invade another country. It’s the abusive husband argument that a woman made a man beat them completely absolving Russia the invading country from the consequences of their actions.

- Prior to the war, did NATO ever have weapons or move weapons into Ukraine?

--it really depends on what you exactly mean by that? The U.S. had started arming the ukraininan army for years. So the answer to that is, it depends. I mean Ukraine wasn't a NATO member at all but the U.S. was creating a "de facto" NATO state. Where did you think all the Stinger, Javelin, Bayraktar (Turkey) etc. came from? There were some temporary hold-ups under Obama and Trump, but generally the weapons flowed in. Take a look:

https://www.defensenews.com/congress/2019/09/25/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-us-aid-package-to-ukraine-that-trump-delayed/

The U.S. has committed more than $1.5 billion in security assistance to Ukraine since 2014, when Russian-backed separatists began driving tanks through eastern Ukraine. The latest equipment was largely more of the same aid the U.S. previously supplied, aimed at helping Ukraine monitor and secure its borders, deploy its forces more safely and effectively, and make progress toward NATO interoperability.

The Defense Department’s tranche was set to include sniper rifles, rocket-propelled grenade launchers, counter-artillery radars, electronic warfare detection and secure communications, night vision equipment, and military medical supplies and treatment. The department previously included counter-sniper equipment, Humvees and tactical drones as well.

- NATO a is a defensive agreement so unless Russia attacked a NATO country they should have no concerns about border countries joining NATO

Yeah well, I understand your point generally but Yugoslavia also didn't attack a NATO country in 1999 but NATO still bombed them heavily. Afghanistan or Lybia also didn't attack any NATO country but NATO bombed them nonetheless.

- If a country wanted to join NATO they have the right to do it. Russia doesn’t control what other countries can do

Theoretically I agree with that statement---like in an utopian fair world where ALL countries adhere to the same set of rules. However, the U.S. is THE prime example of why above statement remains an utopia for the foreseeable future. See Cuba, see the Monroe doctrine. You seriously believe that if Canada and Mexico decided to join a chinese military alliance and allowed China to build multiple military bases close to U.S. borders---the U.S. would say "well it is their right to do it" --I think we all know the answer to that question. BTW there is another interesting example even AFTER the Ukraine war started already that kind of takes above argument completely down: The solomon islands joined a deal with China and not even 24 hours passed until the United States threatened taking action if the Solomon islands allowed chinese military bases on their soil. Now just for referece: The solomon islands are tiny islands thousands of miles away from U.S. borders. This was on April 22/ 2022.....you would think that just for the sake of the narrative U.S. officials would be hesitant to take such an open and aggressive approach but the U.S. is what it is:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/26/us-wont-rule-out-military-action-if-china-establishes-base-in-solomon-islands#:~:text=One%20of%20the%20most%20senior,the%20US%20and%20other%20allies.

- Prior to Russia invading Ukraine, NATO countries did not want to provide approval for Ukraine to join because they didn’t want to provoke Russia. Not sure if it was you or someone else that posted a quote from 2008 about Ukraine joining NATO, well it was obvious that they weren’t in a rush to approve Ukraine’s membership because it only took 14 years and an actual **** invasion to fast track them

But that's exactly the point---almost all relevant quotes had some sort of "not right now" ; "not immediately" ; "not in the next couple years" ; there was never a categorical denial it all sounded very wishy washy and on the ground arms were flowing in anyways already.

[HopelessKnick]

Belarus (Lukashenko) and Wagner must be suicidal by playing games near the Belarusian/Polish border.

Wagner must have forgotten what happened to their men the last time they went looking for smoke with a member of NATO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

Lots of dead Russian mercs.

So you were referring to the battle of Kasham in that article (it's behind a paywall). I had no clue you were referring to that. In the battle of Kasham first of all, Wagner PMC were not actively engaged. It is said that still 10-15 of them died due to massive aerial bombardement by the airforce. It is kind of funny how you put it....98% of that force that tried to attack there were Pro-Assad syrian fighters backed by some iranian led militia groups. The funny thing about that is that a part of that group was previously (in 2017) heavily involved in fighting off IS. When U.S. forces discovered them, air bombardement with fighter jets and helicopter gunships and artillery strikes was carried out. When an airforce through aerial bombardement is able to kill 400 infantery soldiers....I don't know what about that is something to be so proud of? It was not like some rifle battle where U.S. special forces fought of those fighters. They advances mainly by foot, infantery fighting vehicles and some tanks and got dismantled from thousands of feets above from the sky. And all serious accounts have the americans and russians being in contact prior to this making sure no russian troops were involved (Yet some PMC Wagner definitely did get killed---10-15 from most accounts).

The most funny and ironic thing is something entirely else though---just look at it: You are heavily criticizing the current situation in Ukraine. Russia occupying Ukraine, being imperialistic, trying to exploit Ukraine etc. and killing their soldiers by the hundred thousands.....at the same time you are sitting here celebrating the U.S. illegally, occupying a country that is literally 10000 miles away, stealing their oil and killing syrian soldiers on their homeland. The irony....

[MrDollarBills]

Belarus (Lukashenko) and Wagner must be suicidal by playing games near the Belarusian/Polish border.

Wagner must have forgotten what happened to their men the last time they went looking for smoke with a member of NATO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

Lots of dead Russian mercs.

So you were referring to the battle of Kasham in that article (it's behind a paywall). I had no clue you were referring to that. In the battle of Kasham first of all, Wagner PMC were not actively engaged. It is said that still 10-15 of them died due to massive aerial bombardement by the airforce. It is kind of funny how you put it....98% of that force that tried to attack there were Pro-Assad syrian fighters backed by some iranian led militia groups. The funny thing about that is that a part of that group was previously (in 2017) heavily involved in fighting off IS. When U.S. forces discovered them, air bombardement with fighter jets and helicopter gunships and artillery strikes was carried out. When an airforce through aerial bombardement is able to kill 400 infantery soldiers....I don't know what about that is something to be so proud of? It was not like some rifle battle where U.S. special forces fought of those fighters. They advances mainly by foot, infantery fighting vehicles and some tanks and got dismantled from thousands of feets above from the sky. And all serious accounts have the americans and russians being in contact prior to this making sure no russian troops were involved (Yet some PMC Wagner definitely did get killed---10-15 from most accounts).

The most funny and ironic thing is something entirely else though---just look at it: You are heavily criticizing the current situation in Ukraine. Russia occupying Ukraine, being imperialistic, trying to exploit Ukraine etc. and killing their soldiers by the hundred thousands.....at the same time you are sitting here celebrating the U.S. illegally, occupying a country that is literally 10000 miles away, stealing their oil and killing syrian soldiers on their homeland. The irony....

The NYT reported at least 200-300 Wagner mercs ended up dead. Who am I to believe here, an accredited mainstream newspaper, or a random poster on RealGM who routinely parrots Kremlin propaganda? *shrugs*

I'm not celebrating anything dude. I'm just saying, the last time Wagner tried it with NATO, they got pounded in the ass so badly that US Commandos were merciful enough to let them come back to the battle field to collect whatever was left of the dudes that got wasted. Poland should be the last country they should be playing games with, especially since they've probably been itching to spill Russian blood for a long time.

[HopelessKnick]

Belarus (Lukashenko) and Wagner must be suicidal by playing games near the Belarusian/Polish border.

Wagner must have forgotten what happened to their men the last time they went looking for smoke with a member of NATO.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html

Lots of dead Russian mercs.

So you were referring to the battle of Kasham in that article (it's behind a paywall). I had no clue you were referring to that. In the battle of Kasham first of all, Wagner PMC were not actively engaged. It is said that still 10-15 of them died due to massive aerial bombardement by the airforce. It is kind of funny how you put it....98% of that force that tried to attack there were Pro-Assad syrian fighters backed by some iranian led militia groups. The funny thing about that is that a part of that group was previously (in 2017) heavily involved in fighting off IS. When U.S. forces discovered them, air bombardement with fighter jets and helicopter gunships and artillery strikes was carried out. When an airforce through aerial bombardement is able to kill 400 infantery soldiers....I don't know what about that is something to be so proud of? It was not like some rifle battle where U.S. special forces fought of those fighters. They advances mainly by foot, infantery fighting vehicles and some tanks and got dismantled from thousands of feets above from the sky. And all serious accounts have the americans and russians being in contact prior to this making sure no russian troops were involved (Yet some PMC Wagner definitely did get killed---10-15 from most accounts).

The most funny and ironic thing is something entirely else though---just look at it: You are heavily criticizing the current situation in Ukraine. Russia occupying Ukraine, being imperialistic, trying to exploit Ukraine etc. and killing their soldiers by the hundred thousands.....at the same time you are sitting here celebrating the U.S. illegally, occupying a country that is literally 10000 miles away, stealing their oil and killing syrian soldiers on their homeland. The irony....

The NYT reported at least 200-300 Wagner mercs ended up dead. Who am I to believe here, an accredited mainstream newspaper, or a random poster on RealGM who routinely parrots Kremlin propaganda? *shrugs*

I'm not celebrating anything dude. I'm just saying, the last time Wagner tried it with NATO, they got pounded in the ass so badly that US Commandos were merciful enough to let them come back to the battle field to collect whatever was left of the dudes that got wasted. Poland should be the last country they should be playing games with, especially since they've probably been itching to spill Russian blood for a long time.

Thanks for reinforcing the points I made about americans mainly blindly and naively believing their MSM media talking points. But no problem I will help you getting educated about the battle of Kasham:

Wikipedia:

According to two unnamed U.S. defense officials cited by CNN on 8 February, the U.S. military had assessed that Russian contractors had been involved, with one saying some of the contractors had been killed in the airstrikes.[14] A Kurdish militia commander and an ex-Russian officer also claimed Russian contractors were present and suffered casualties during the strikes.[39] During the two weeks following the incident, U.S. Secretary of Defense James Mattis and other U.S. military officials repeatedly stated that American military commanders were in contact with their official Russian counterparts prior to, during, and after the clash, and that the U.S military was told by their Russian counterparts that there were no Russians in the paramilitary formation.[40][41]

According to Der Spiegel, witnesses said that no Russian mercenaries were part of this group.[2]

Contrary to the claims of hundreds of deaths among the PMCs, a Russian investigative group, the Conflict Intelligence Team (CIT), confirmed 10 contractor deaths[53] and estimated a total of between 20 and 30 had died.[54] A Russian journalist also believed between 20 and 25 PMCs died in the strikes.[49] On 17 February,[55] a Wagner leader, Andrei Troshev, was quoted as saying 14 "volunteers" died in the battle.[32] Three other Wagner commanders also stated the claim of 200 dead was an exaggeration and that 15 PMCs were killed at the most.[56]

In the days that followed, the identities of the Russians killed would be revealed -- first of six and ultimately nine. Eight had been verified by the Conflict Intelligence Team, a Russian investigative platform, and another was released by the radio station Echo Moscow. All were employees of the private mercenary company Evro Polis, which is often referred to by the nom du guerre of its head: "Wagner."

At the same time, however, a completely different version of events has gained traction -- disseminated at first by Russian nationalists like Igor "Strelkov" Girkin, and then by others associated with the Wagner unit. According to those accounts, many more Russians had been killed in the battle -- 100, 200, 300 or as many as 600. An entire unit, it was said, had been wiped out and the Kremlin wanted to cover it up. Recordings of alleged fighters even popped up apparently confirming these horrendous losses.

It was a version that sounded so plausible that even Western news agencies like Reuters and Bloomberg picked it up. The fact that the government in Moscow at first didn't want to confirm any deaths and then spoke of five "Russian citizens" killed and later, nebulously, of "dozens of injured," some of whom had died, only seemed to make the version of events seem more credible. It has generally been the case, after all, that when something in the Syrian war is denied by the Kremlin, or when the Russians admit to it bit by bit, then it is probably accurate. Besides, Russian losses in Syria are constantly played down.

'The Bad Luck of Being at the Wrong Place at the Wrong Time'

Relations between the Russian mercenaries in Syria -- it is thought there are more than 2,000 of them -- and the government in Moscow have been tense for some time. The fighters claim they are being used as cannon fodder, are being kept quiet and are poorly paid. For them to now accuse the Kremlin of trying to cover up the fact that Russians were killed -- by the Americans, of all people -- hits President Vladimir Putin's government in a weak spot: its credibility.

The only verifiable sources for the decimation of hundreds of Russians are the photos and videos circulating on the internet or from Russian sources that are passed on to Western journalists. Some of them show footage from eastern Ukraine that was later doctored or even the demo version of a video game that Putin personally showed to Hollywood director Oliver Stone as alleged proof of a Russian attack on an IS convoy.

The situation on the ground between Khusham and Tabiya on the eastern bank of the Euphrates, described by a half dozen witnesses and people who were party to the events, does not confirm Russian mercenary participation in the attack or even that they joined the fighting at all. Ahmad Ramadan, the journalist who founded the Euphrates Post and has since emigrated to Turkey, comes from Tabiya. One of his contacts fights for the al-Baqir militia and took the video at the site of the bombings. "If it had been a Russian attack, with many Russian dead, we would have reported about it," he said. "But it wasn't. The Russians in Tabiya just had the bad luck of being in the wrong place at the wrong time."

You're welcome.

[drekwins]

Hold on, once second. You do realize that what you are demonizing America for, is precisely the reason why Russian started this war lol to "decapitate" the Ukrainian government, install their own pro-russian regime and move on. Except... it wasn't as easy as they thought it would be.

Exactly

What Russia is doing in Ukraine is exactly the thing the US was doing in the Middle East, and South America if we go back further

I criticize the US for taking imperialist actions, so I'm against Russia when they try to do the same thing.

Nah what the US is doing in supporting Ukraine is what the US has always been doing ie; imperialistic activities - supporting and propping up dangerous and fraudulent regimes in other parts of the world to bolster the interests of corporate lobbies and the elite class. Remember, we SUPPORTED Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war during the 80's. Then we flipped the script when it didn't fit the narrative anymore. And all the lemmings just get in line.

Imperialistic? It is impossible to classify Ukraine as imperialistic... it's actually insane. Russia is on their land. Russia is trying to change their leadership. What wild statements you are making that throw aside all logic.

[DOT]

Exactly

What Russia is doing in Ukraine is exactly the thing the US was doing in the Middle East, and South America if we go back further

I criticize the US for taking imperialist actions, so I'm against Russia when they try to do the same thing.

Nah what the US is doing in supporting Ukraine is what the US has always been doing ie; imperialistic activities - supporting and propping up dangerous and fraudulent regimes in other parts of the world to bolster the interests of corporate lobbies and the elite class. Remember, we SUPPORTED Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war during the 80's. Then we flipped the script when it didn't fit the narrative anymore. And all the lemmings just get in line.

Imperialistic? It is impossible to classify Ukraine as imperialistic... it's actually insane. Russia is on their land. Russia is trying to change their leadership. What wild statements you are making that throw aside all logic.

It's kind of funny to watch someone call other people lemmings when he's just regurgitating the lines from Russian state propaganda

"Ukraine is a dangerous and fraudulent regime" lol

[Clyde_Style]

Exactly

What Russia is doing in Ukraine is exactly the thing the US was doing in the Middle East, and South America if we go back further

I criticize the US for taking imperialist actions, so I'm against Russia when they try to do the same thing.

Nah what the US is doing in supporting Ukraine is what the US has always been doing ie; imperialistic activities - supporting and propping up dangerous and fraudulent regimes in other parts of the world to bolster the interests of corporate lobbies and the elite class. Remember, we SUPPORTED Iraq during the Iraq-Iran war during the 80's. Then we flipped the script when it didn't fit the narrative anymore. And all the lemmings just get in line.

Imperialistic? It is impossible to classify Ukraine as imperialistic... it's actually insane. Russia is on their land. Russia is trying to change their leadership. What wild statements you are making that throw aside all logic.

For guys like this, sharing a border with Russia is imperialistic. Even worse is if a NATO country shares a border with Russia.

OMIGOD, they're have plans in place to DEFEND themselves against encroachments by Russia, therefore they are threatening to Russia.

Blaming Ukraine for Russia invading them is like slut shaming someone as a whore for getting raped. It is vile.