Suggs had a stretch where he was on minutes restriction for his nagging ankle injury. There were games that he was sensational, and they only played him 15 minutes. He limped around nearly the whole season.pepe1991 wrote:Knightro wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Can you cherrypick more? I highly doubt you can. January 28th. Why not January first? Maybe because up until January 28th he shot 6-29 for 3 from New Year- to moment when it fits your "shooting better narrative" and basically played himself out rotation, and that's why he averaged 15 mpg?
And if you will try to grasp for straw hiding behind "injury recovery" it really doesn't help your case that 3 games into return from injury, he played 24 min, and back to back games.
He simply didn't produce. He was returned on more meaningful min in rotation after that stinker vs Bulls where starters got humiliated so him and Cole got lot of burn ( and that's your Jaunary 28th starting date).
I already explained how his "38,8% for 3 month" is actually just him making 2 more threes than his season 33% average.
And how after that good shooting month, he reverted back at old self averaging 10-3-2 on his usual 42-31-70 split .
Simple question that this thread is about: Is Jalen Suggs starter for Orlando Magic at SG to you?
Yes or no.
Your facts are not entirely accurate.
Here are Suggs' minutes played in first 11 games after he returned from his ankle injury on January 5.
5:24
15:47
24:09 (the Magic were down by 20 at half and Suggs played the entire 4th quarter which was entirely garbage time)
11:23
13:50
13:17
14:51
12:37
16:01
16:35
17:11
He only averaged 14.6 MPG from January 5 to January 27 because the Magic were playing 10 and sometimes even 11 players a night at that time and Suggs was sharing a rotation spot at backup SG with Ross (who was also sharing backup SF with Bol). He only topped 18 minutes one time and that was in a blowout loss to the Kings where he played the entire 4th quarter in extended garbage time.
Starting on January 28th, the Magic upped Suggs' minutes significantly at the expense of Ross who was removed from the rotation entirely and at the expense of Bol who saw his minutes drop until he was also removed from the rotation entirely.
From January 28 to April 4 - Suggs averaged 24.9 MPG as the primary backup SG and also played in some three guard lineups. The only game in that entire stretch where he didn't get to 20 MPG was the game against Minnesota where he was ejected for fighting when Bamba and Rivers got into it.
So when he got consistent rotation minutes (aka more than a few minutes per half) as a shooting guard, he played well.
If you want to call that cherry picking, be my guest. But I am optimistic he can build off that.
To your last question, yes. I think Suggs *can* be a starting SG for the Magic. I would have zero issue sticking him in the starting lineup from game 1 of this season and see what happens.
Worst case it doesn't work out and he can still give you 20-25 good minutes a night off the bench.
You now claim you know why he didn't play much? Did Mosley texsted you personally? Magic went 5-6 in that period.
And Suggs in that period didn't play much because he... i don't know.... shot ? 17-52 ( 34% FG) overall? And he literally averaged more fouls than FGM per game. Sounds like way more logical explanation than whatever you suggesting.Starting on January 28th, the Magic upped Suggs' minutes significantly at the expense of Ross who was removed from the rotation entirely and at the expense of Bol who saw his minutes drop until he was also removed from the rotation entirely.
Bol is PF/C and Suggs is PG-SG so he is irrelevant.
Ross ( February 12 ) and RJ Hampton ( February 21th) both got vaiwed after reciving multiple DNP-CDS prior. Did you ever occure to you that it was menagment's decision to give their praised 5th overall pick more PT at expense of players they literally cutted down 2 and 3 weeks from position you elect to pick as "getting more min" and it was strategic move. Not something that happend organically?
For person who often cries about lack of spacing, you for damn sure don't hold same criterias for all of them.
Fultz shoots 28% for 3 for career " oh my God he sucks ".
Suggs shoots 27% for 3 for career " yep, this is my shooting guard"
Yes.i know, taking more shots , being willing shooter, upright tragjectory ( like it's possible to go anywhere but up after shooting 21% as rookie...) and all that, but still nothing changes fact that Suggs never shot ball well at any level. And once paired together you just have 2 guards who don't play well off ball, dont' draw fouls, don't make outside shots and have medicore to bad assist to turnover rate. And sorry, but i don't see how situation would change even if we remove Fultz and start Black. Shooting & spacing would probably shorter term be even worst.
Their net rating is -1. 350 min played in big sample i guess. But we don't have data to know how many of those PT happened against starters.
I respect your opinion, i simply don't agree with it. I think Suggs would have to break out in at least above average spot up shooter to ever consider playing exstended min as starter with our group of people who we think are our starters, mostly because all of them are below average to average shooters themselfs.
And as bench guard, i just don't see value of stock piling lottery selected players & hoping they can turn into "hard working hustlers" when they have more value as trade assets and those hard working hustlers you can get for free every year, or in second rounds.
If he was never injured, he would've probably averaged 30+ mpg and been the starter for the entire season.
