2023-24 Season Discussion and Speculation - Free Agency Begins

[lilfishi22]

Private eye lilfishi on the case!
You know, I will say I find it kind of funny but mostly ironic that all the Ayton sympathizers keep chortling about how he can avg 23/12/2 if (insert excuse or alternate reality) when the "Ayton haters" always say... you know we don't really give a **** about numbers to an extent. Like if he gives us a high energy 14/11/1.5 with good defense we'd be pretty damn happy. Basically for them its about numbers, for us its about effort but that seems to fly miles over their heads

Yeah the irony isn't lost on me that it's the apologists who talk big numbers but it's in fact the "hayders" that have set a very low bar for DA to clear

I personally just want double digit rebounding and that great defense he's shown he can play with before

So the irony is y’all want 14/11 yet dude gave 18/10 with good defense . With low usage and high ts%

Y’all are just haters and don’t know what you are talking about.

If he dunked a few more times and fought for a rebound here and there y’all would have hard ons .

The classic, indefensible argument, "you're just haters"

[KdoubleDees23]

Yeah the irony isn't lost on me that it's the apologists who talk big numbers but it's in fact the "hayders" that have set a very low bar for DA to clear

I personally just want double digit rebounding and that great defense he's shown he can play with before

So the irony is y’all want 14/11 yet dude gave 18/10 with good defense . With low usage and high ts%

Y’all are just haters and don’t know what you are talking about.

If he dunked a few more times and fought for a rebound here and there y’all would have hard ons .

The classic, indefensible argument, "you're just haters"

You are. Yall cry all the time about Ayton. Then say we just want him to hustle and put up 14/11 lol. He is doing more than that at 60%

Dude was a good defender this year, but at times didn't give it 110% . You do not have any clue whats going on with coaching or the locker room.

[Jdiddy701]

If he dunked a few more times and fought for a rebound here and there y’all would have hard ons .

radical concept!

Yep. I feel like you want a DeAndre Jordan type as your Center. You would rather have ooooosssss and awwwssss when they dunk vs a finesse center who can shoot and score around the rim / mid range.

I would take prime Deandre Jordan on this Suns team any day of the week. That’s what we need from the center position - a guy that rebounds, finishes around the rim and protects the paint.


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[KdoubleDees23]

The sad thing is I have been a part of realgm for over 14 years now, and the same ole old heads are around here adding no value and being sour pusses all the time. While the real ones are the ones that have had 4-5 different user names in the past and keep coming back to defend the team they care about.

[garrick]

If he dunked a few more times and fought for a rebound here and there y’all would have hard ons .

radical concept!

Yep. I feel like you want a DeAndre Jordan type as your Center. You would rather have ooooosssss and awwwssss when they dunk vs a finesse center who can shoot and score around the rim / mid range.

We should just sign Andre Drummond. /s

He only scores on dunks and can do double digit rebounding but is so bad on offense and is an even worse ball handler if you can believe it.

[bigfoot]

Private eye lilfishi on the case!
You know, I will say I find it kind of funny but mostly ironic that all the Ayton sympathizers keep chortling about how he can avg 23/12/2 if (insert excuse or alternate reality) when the "Ayton haters" always say... you know we don't really give a **** about numbers to an extent. Like if he gives us a high energy 14/11/1.5 with good defense we'd be pretty damn happy. Basically for them its about numbers, for us its about effort but that seems to fly miles over their heads

Yeah the irony isn't lost on me that it's the apologists who talk big numbers but it's in fact the "hayders" that have set a very low bar for DA to clear

I personally just want double digit rebounding and that great defense he's shown he can play with before

So the irony is y’all want 14/11 yet dude gave 18/10 with good defense . With low usage and high ts%

Y’all are just haters and don’t know what you are talking about.

If he dunked a few more times and fought for a rebound here and there y’all would have hard ons .

Correction, DA was 18/10 with really shizzy defense. It boggles my mind that you gloss over this every single time. For you it is only points and rebounds. For everyone else it's defense and being engaged.

His defense was pathetic this past season. For centers, he was definitely in the bottom half to bottom third defensively. The only year he was decent was the finals year when he was a top 5 center defensively. Correct his defense and everyone is happy.

[KdoubleDees23]

radical concept!

Yep. I feel like you want a DeAndre Jordan type as your Center. You would rather have ooooosssss and awwwssss when they dunk vs a finesse center who can shoot and score around the rim / mid range.

We should just sign Andre Drummond. /s

He only scores on dunks and can do double digit rebounding but is so bad on offense and is an even worse ball handler if you can believe it.

hahah thats who they are all saying they want!

My question and real talk is who the heck would we get for Ayton that is better than him and will elevate our team. Money doesn't matter when its not ours, and we are already over the tax!!!!!! Even a 15-20 mill center would put us over!

Make a poll on who the most realistic centers are that we can trade for Ayton.

[KdoubleDees23]

Yeah the irony isn't lost on me that it's the apologists who talk big numbers but it's in fact the "hayders" that have set a very low bar for DA to clear

I personally just want double digit rebounding and that great defense he's shown he can play with before

So the irony is y’all want 14/11 yet dude gave 18/10 with good defense . With low usage and high ts%

Y’all are just haters and don’t know what you are talking about.

If he dunked a few more times and fought for a rebound here and there y’all would have hard ons .

Correction, DA was 18/10 with really shizzy defense. It boggles my mind that you gloss over this every single time. For you it is only points and rebounds. For everyone else it's defense and being engaged.

His defense was pathetic this past season. For centers, he was definitely in the bottom half to bottom third defensively. The only year he was decent was the finals year when he was a top 5 center defensively. Correct his defense and everyone is happy.

His defense didn't suck. Dude was a good defender, and I would say top 2 on the suns last year. "DEFENSE IS CORRECTED"

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/2023-nba-individual-defensive-rating-rankings

[lilfishi22]

So the irony is y’all want 14/11 yet dude gave 18/10 with good defense . With low usage and high ts%

Y’all are just haters and don’t know what you are talking about.

If he dunked a few more times and fought for a rebound here and there y’all would have hard ons .

The classic, indefensible argument, "you're just haters"

You are. Yall cry all the time about Ayton. Then say we just want him to hustle and put up 14/11 lol. He is doing more than that at 60%

Dude was a good defender this year, but at times didn't give it 110% . You do not have any clue whats going on with coaching or the locker room.

You keep building that one-size-fits-all strawman for all the HAYDERS

I'll continue to criticise when it's warranted and praise when it's deserved.

[Slim Charless]

Yeah the irony isn't lost on me that it's the apologists who talk big numbers but it's in fact the "hayders" that have set a very low bar for DA to clear

I personally just want double digit rebounding and that great defense he's shown he can play with before

So the irony is y’all want 14/11 yet dude gave 18/10 with good defense . With low usage and high ts%

Y’all are just haters and don’t know what you are talking about.

If he dunked a few more times and fought for a rebound here and there y’all would have hard ons .

Correction, DA was 18/10 with really shizzy defense. It boggles my mind that you gloss over this every single time. For you it is only points and rebounds. For everyone else it's defense and being engaged.

His defense was pathetic this past season. For centers, he was definitely in the bottom half to bottom third defensively. The only year he was decent was the finals year when he was a top 5 center defensively. Correct his defense and everyone is happy.

How many times do you people have to be proven wrong about this? Ayton's responsibility in our crap Moronty defensive scheme was to be able to switch and play the inside almost simultaneously. Moronty wanted him to be able to cover for Book and Chris. Mikal also was there to help, but foolishly was switched off on other team's key players. A smart coach would have told Mikal to stay home on his assignments and not allow the switch....but we didn't have 1 of those.

Ayton was required to do everything in our defense. People who dont understand what they're looking at then respond by say "derp, derp we need more rebounds and dunks. derp, herp, derp"

It's shocking how many guys here don't get the very thing they're looking at. STAT dunked all the time. Ayton is 2x the ball player he ever was (post micro fracture)

[Slim Charless]

Also, anyone who'd rather have Deandre Jordan over Ayton in the year of our Lord 2023 and with the way basketball is played now.....the people who say those things are dumb. Very dumb in fact.

Jordan is unplayable now due to lack of ability to:

A. Score outside of 3 feet
B. Ability to guard outside of 5 feet

Teams like the Dubs, Nuggets, Kings, Clippers, etc would run him off the court. He'd work with a team of good defenders who themselves can guard multiple positions. We don't have that.

[Frank Lee]

You adverted a large can-o-worms with that (post micro) add on

Dont know why the past is so popular. The present is a CP and Moronty -less one. Two adjustments that should help DA more than anyone. Just would be good if he realizes/embraces it.

[Slim Charless]

At this point we've only seen KD/Book and Ayton play on this team... KD got PLENTY of **** last p/o and even booker to an extent when he had his duds. Maybe we can all get a gofundme together and send DA some flowers to cheer him up?

KDouble prefers sending him unsolicited dp's lol.

He's not Dwight Howard. Get your facts correct. Also this D12 story is one of the most horrible things I've ever heard of. He legit needs to be in jail and for a long time.

[enigmatics]

Also, anyone who'd rather have Deandre Jordan over Ayton in the year of our Lord 2023 and with the way basketball is played now.....the people who say those things are dumb. Very dumb in fact.

Jordan is unplayable now due to lack of ability to:

A. Score outside of 3 feet
B. Ability to guard outside of 5 feet

Teams like the Dubs, Nuggets, Kings, Clippers, etc would run him off the court. He'd work with a team of good defenders who themselves can guard multiple positions. We don't have that.

Slim .......

The posters that brought up Andre Jordan are talking about the Clippers version of him NOT the now one. JDiddy literally said "prime".

Theyre not wrong either. That type of player is exactly what the Suns need - not a perma-sulking finesse big that they have to pull out all the stops just to get him to compete at the highest level every night on the court.

[enigmatics]

The sad thing is I have been a part of realgm for over 14 years now, and the same ole old heads are around here adding no value and being sour pusses all the time. While the real ones are the ones that have had 4-5 different user names in the past and keep coming back to defend the team they care about.

.......... aaaaaaand nobody cares.

[Slim Charless]

Also, anyone who'd rather have Deandre Jordan over Ayton in the year of our Lord 2023 and with the way basketball is played now.....the people who say those things are dumb. Very dumb in fact.

Jordan is unplayable now due to lack of ability to:

A. Score outside of 3 feet
B. Ability to guard outside of 5 feet

Teams like the Dubs, Nuggets, Kings, Clippers, etc would run him off the court. He'd work with a team of good defenders who themselves can guard multiple positions. We don't have that.

Slim .......

The posters that brought up Andre Jordan are talking about the Clippers version of him NOT the now one.

I'm aware.

Doesn't change anything. DAJ would be a dinosaur now and would be relentlessly hunted. Picture Mitchell Robinson, but less effective.

If you could pair him with 4 other guys that can switch then he can play sort of a free safety role. Similar to Giannis or Timelord. Of course the problem is he's not as good as either of them. So, yeah unplayable.

[enigmatics]

Also, anyone who'd rather have Deandre Jordan over Ayton in the year of our Lord 2023 and with the way basketball is played now.....the people who say those things are dumb. Very dumb in fact.

Jordan is unplayable now due to lack of ability to:

A. Score outside of 3 feet
B. Ability to guard outside of 5 feet

Teams like the Dubs, Nuggets, Kings, Clippers, etc would run him off the court. He'd work with a team of good defenders who themselves can guard multiple positions. We don't have that.

Slim .......

The posters that brought up Andre Jordan are talking about the Clippers version of him NOT the now one.

I'm aware.

Doesn't change anything. DAJ would be a dinosaur now and would be relentlessly hunted. Picture Mitchell Robinson, but less effective.

If you could pair him with 4 other guys that can switch then he can play sort of a free safety role. Similar to Giannis or Timelord. Of course the problem is he's not as good as either of them. So, yeah unplayable.

If you're aware then why are you currently mired in your own hypothetical about DAJ being a dinosaur now? Everyone on this board would agree 100% that he'd be useless to the Suns.

[Slim Charless]

Slim .......

The posters that brought up Andre Jordan are talking about the Clippers version of him NOT the now one.

I'm aware.

Doesn't change anything. DAJ would be a dinosaur now and would be relentlessly hunted. Picture Mitchell Robinson, but less effective.

If you could pair him with 4 other guys that can switch then he can play sort of a free safety role. Similar to Giannis or Timelord. Of course the problem is he's not as good as either of them. So, yeah unplayable.

If you're aware then why are you currently mired in your own hypothetical about DAJ being a dinosaur now? Everyone on this board would agree 100% that he'd be useless to the Suns.

Cause I'm saying that even if we had a time machine, and could go back 10 years and kidnap DAJ and bring him here to today's game. He'd still be a dinosaur.

[lilfishi22]

Prime DeAndre Jordan:

2014-15 All-Defensive (1st)
2014-15 All-NBA (3rd)
2015-16 All-Defensive (1st)
2015-16 All-NBA (1st)
2016-17 All-NBA (3rd)

Led the league in rebounding twice
Led the league in FG% 5 times

DeAndre Ayton:

Nov 28, 2022 Player of the Week

Let's not pretend like prime DAJ was some scrub

[MrMiyagi]

Why are we doing this