FIBA World Cup 2023 (FIRST thread)

BelgradeNugget · Post #521 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:24 am

Look I like to watch NT games of course, but at the same time when NBA accepted load management for players to keep them healthy and fresh FIBA is doing the opposite. NBA is making/losing money when players don't play. And they used to fine Popovic for resting players during RS. He didn't care, they won championships and the whole NBA went that way. We rested Jokic at the end of rs and result was good. At the same time FIBA is going with qualifications. They don't give a ****. Increase the number of games. Who cares.

My job is not hard. I don't have expectations of the whole team/city/country on my back. I still can't wait to go home to rest, and to go to vacations (in Greece like every year). So I'm not the one to judge anybody's reasons and any fan here doesn't have right to do so.

BTW when any super talented player for our team or NT team doesn't meet expectations we fans are first to throw s**t on them. When they end carrier due to injury we forget them in a day.

mediocrityrules · Post #522 » by **mediocrityrules** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 10:30 am

The flipside to all of this is Australia, where Ben Simmons is skipping the world cup and i don't think there's a single Australian that cares.

durden_tyler · Post #523 » by **durden_tyler** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:03 am

mediocrityrules wrote:The flipside to all of this is Australia, where Ben Simmons is skipping the world cup and i don't think there's a single Australian that cares.

This is a very rare case that an NBA player is seen as a liability to their national team, so those fans are just smart and they know it's dumb to even add a headcase like Simmons.

p0peye · Post #524 » by **p0peye** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:00 pm

Playing for national team is not part of his job, but a leisure activity.

knicksfan974 · Post #525 » by **knicksfan974** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:13 pm

Hard to imagine Finns ever turning down an invitation to represent your country in WC. It is such a unique honor for a player in your own sport. I guess in some other countries they just think differently :roll:

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BelgradeNugget · Post #526 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:30 pm

donkki wrote:Hard to imagine Finns ever turning down an invitation to represent your country in WC. It is such a unique honor for a player in your own sport. I guess in some other countries they just think differently .

Finns in NBA rarely play in May/June. They also rarely qualify for National competition so player have to have really long carrier to have a chance to play for National basketball team in EC, WC or Olympics (not counting qualification games)

UcanUwill · Post #527 » by **UcanUwill** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:37 pm

Swuul wrote:
Johnny Firpo wrote:
Mrakar wrote:That is only for Americans. For Serbs and most of the Europe/World, WC has same kind of value as the Olympics.

I am a European who has been following basketball for at least 20 years, and that is definitely not true. European fans view the Olympics as the clearly bigger, more important event, in any sports, with the exception of football, of course.

I have actively followed European basketball since 1982, and Olympics is second rate tournament everywhere except former Soviet Union and Yugoslavia. Olympic basketball is a relic of the cold war. Who the heck in their right mind truly believes a basketball tournament of 9 teams chosen in the Olympic spirit (yay for Jordan, Zaire and Tahiti etc, I guess) plus the host, USA and Australia is a more important competition? NBA Summer League is a tougher competition than the Olympics, and way more important.

Again with this? Even Dirk skipped WC, so did Manu multiple times. So, basically, everyone who actually qualifies for Olympic 12 spots, value Olympics more. Everyone else values WC ''more''? :lol:

AleksandarN · Post #528 » by **AleksandarN** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:58 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
jokeboy86 wrote:Just curious at the people who get mad at stars who don't play international competition, when do you think they should get rest and off season when they're not playing? Accuse me of being American and not caring about pride but if I'm an NBA owner and I'm giving out supermax contracts nowadays I really would prefer my best player not play internationally or any drew league type play at all.

I'm not mad at Jokic, I just think he's weak. That's ok, not everybody is strong enough to get on a plane to Japan 3 days after the title parade, like Jrue Holiday did. Or like the Gasol brothers were doing for a couple of decades. Some people need months and months of rest, some people don't.

I don't think anyone cares what the NBA owner prefers. What's he gonna do, fire Jokic? When it comes to superstars all that NBA owners can do is ask, very politely.

Weak jokic? Yeah ok. That’s the last word I would discribe him. You can’t fault him for wanting to be left alone and spend time with his family and friends. The entitlement fans have is crazy.

Pachinko_ · Post #529 » by **Pachinko_** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:15 pm

AleksandarN wrote:Weak jokic? Yeah ok. That’s the last word I would discribe him. You can’t fault him for wanting to be left alone and spend time with his family and friends. The entitlement fans have is crazy.

No, I think I can. I just did.
The whole reason these guys enjoy what they enjoy is because of the fans. And although there is sometimes middlemen like TV channels and team owners, ultimately all the money that exist in sports come from the people who watch the games. So it is really not too much to ask for a little respect in return. And when there is no respect from one side then there is not going to be any from the other side, that's how it goes, sorry. I am not going to twist anyone's arm to play basketball but I am going to criticise.

Post #530 » by **G R E Y** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:24 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
jokeboy86 wrote:Just curious at the people who get mad at stars who don't play international competition, when do you think they should get rest and off season when they're not playing? Accuse me of being American and not caring about pride but if I'm an NBA owner and I'm giving out supermax contracts nowadays I really would prefer my best player not play internationally or any drew league type play at all.

I'm not mad at Jokic, I just think he's weak. That's ok, not everybody is strong enough to get on a plane to Japan 3 days after the title parade, like Jrue Holiday did. Or like the Gasol brothers were doing for a couple of decades. Some people need months and months of rest, some people don't.

I don't think anyone cares what the NBA owner prefers. What's he gonna do, fire Jokic? When it comes to superstars all that NBA owners can do is ask, very politely.

That was for the Olympics. There were a ton of USA drop outs for FIBA WC just prior. In fact, looking at the final roster, there may have been one or two original invitees and one of them, Tatum, got injured.

It's a pity that the WC and Olympics aren't every two seasons any longer. I think that shift was made prior to the previous Olympics. It made for a lot of discussion at the time because of these very circumstances - it's far harder for NBA players to commit back-to-back seasons to WC and Olympics and FIBA knows more will choose the latter, opening up competition for the WC where USA has dominated.

Weird, frictious dynamics between the governing basketball bodies. You'd think FIBA would want as many NBA players as possible but the plan to get US players to have to make a difficult choice between the two international tournaments has backfired because more prominent international NBA players are pulling out now, too.

Short-sighted ploy for longer-term self-inficted harm.

Post #531 » by **Klomp** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:26 pm

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durden_tyler · Post #532 » by **durden_tyler** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:19 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:Weak jokic? Yeah ok. That’s the last word I would discribe him. You can’t fault him for wanting to be left alone and spend time with his family and friends. The entitlement fans have is crazy.

No, I think I can. I just did.
The whole reason these guys enjoy what they enjoy is because of the fans. And although there is sometimes middlemen like TV channels and team owners, ultimately all the money that exist in sports come from the people who watch the games. So it is really not too much to ask for a little respect in return. And when there is no respect from one side then there is not going to be any from the other side, that's how it goes, sorry. I am not going to twist anyone's arm to play basketball but I am going to criticise.

Just accept the fact that fans and players don’t see this World Cup as prestigious enough. And as always, NBA trumps any of these international competitions, as that’s the highest level of play and will never be matched.

ItsDanger · Post #533 » by **ItsDanger** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:37 pm

These tournaments are more important to respective fans outside the US for the most part. I think they should change the scheduling and qualification system if they want better turnout. Also, the Euros (for world cup qualification) was last offseason so its kind of tough on these guys to show up so many times for their national teams. Don't have a solution but they focus on reducing demand on the players somehow.

Post #534 » by **Nuntius** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:02 pm

Swuul wrote:
Nuntius wrote:
Mirotic12 wrote:Finland's prelim roster:

Why did the choose that photo for Jantunen?

I would say he looks pumped up in the photo.

AleksandarN · Post #535 » by **AleksandarN** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:21 pm

Pachinko_ wrote:
AleksandarN wrote:Weak jokic? Yeah ok. That’s the last word I would discribe him. You can’t fault him for wanting to be left alone and spend time with his family and friends. The entitlement fans have is crazy.

No, I think I can. I just did.
The whole reason these guys enjoy what they enjoy is because of the fans. And although there is sometimes middlemen like TV channels and team owners, ultimately all the money that exist in sports come from the people who watch the games. So it is really not too much to ask for a little respect in return. And when there is no respect from one side then there is not going to be any from the other side, that's how it goes, sorry. I am not going to twist anyone's arm to play basketball but I am going to criticise.

Still doesn’t make him soft. Also going by your logic he has chosen the fans that pay him his contract his NBA team. By making sure he doesn’t wear down.

Pokuokic · Post #536 » by **Pokuokic** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:22 pm

No Jokic/Micic/Kalanic/Lucic for Serbia so basically 4 out of their 5 best international comp players, they should go full youth + Bogdanovic/Nedovic/Milutinov/Marinkovic

Jovic/Poku/Petrusev/Topic should all go for experience . The SF position unless Jovic is playing it will be a disaster Davidovac/Dobric are crap.

Wallace_Wallace · Post #537 » by **Wallace_Wallace** » Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:26 pm

p0peye wrote:Playing for national team is not part of his job, but a leisure activity.

If there is a World Championship Gaming tournament, maybe he'll join :nod:

Mirotic12 · Post #538 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 12:54 am

UcanUwill wrote:I know I am OP and all, but as we all said, FIBA Olympics matter far more than FIBA World Cup, to everyone, and someone said its cold war remnant perception, what? Always been like this sadly, FIBA has no prestige, they just rely on Olympic fame in global comp, thats how it always been.

Nope.

Mirotic12 · Post #539 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:00 am

durden_tyler wrote:
Mickey8 wrote:Why should NBA taking over FIBA. FIBA as an organization needs a great clean up but they for sure don't not need NBA to run it and makes it even more corrupted than it is.

The NBA earns zilch from any FIBA activity. Give them a share of the $$$ and maybe the billionaire owners start allowing their stars/superstars to join.

The NBA makes up 1/4 of FIBA's controlling board. If I remember right, it is the largest shareholder in FIBA's board.

Mirotic12 · Post #540 » by **Mirotic12** » Tue Jul 25, 2023 1:03 am

Johnny Firpo wrote:
Mrakar wrote:That is only for Americans. For Serbs and most of the Europe/World, WC has same kind of value as the Olympics.

I am a European who has been following basketball for at least 20 years, and that is definitely not true. European fans view the Olympics as the clearly bigger, more important event, in any sports, with the exception of football, of course.

This is just personal subjective opinion. I asked every European basketball fan I know personally, and all of them said World Cup is just as important, or even more important than the Olympics. Again, as I explained earlier, the whole mystique and importance of the Olympics is political.

And for most of the countries that didn't have that political propaganda about the Olympics, the World Cup is just as important, or more important.